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Ralph Hoover

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 206
Location: Central Ohio

Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 4:09 pm Post subject: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers!

Ok, Anybody?     They won't have a clue, Shush! We will keep it to ourselves.   I mean, all the food, drink and pictures they will be having too good a time to think about us common Kolbers.



  Anything anybody might have that they were afraid to share   or ask while the experts were around, nows a good time to ask  . I don't think anyone left will have any answers, but we will be the smartest ones around won't we?



        King of the hill in Ohio Ralph!  At least temporary

rlaird

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 373
Location: Houston

Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 7:23 pm Post subject: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers!

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		  From those of us who still don't use the forums, I'd just like to make

sure all you guys who DO use the forum and use all the "emoticons"...
	


well, this is what we see:



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Ok, Anybody? [ T w i s t e d E v i l ]    They won't have a clue,

Shush! We will keep it to ourselves. [ R o l l i n g   E y e s ]  I

mean, all the food, drink and pictures they will be having too good a

time to think about us common Kolbers.  etc.

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It's a little bizarre, if you ask me.  So, maybe you can hold off on

using all those little happy- and non-happy-faces.



  -- Robert

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Robert Laird
formerly: MkIIIc w/ 912ULS & Gyrobee
current: Autogyro Cavalon w/ 914ULS
Houston, TX area
http://www.Texas-Flyer.com

Ralph Hoover

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 206
Location: Central Ohio

Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 3:52 am Post subject: Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers!

"It's a little bizarre, if you ask me. So, maybe you can hold off on 

using all those little happy- and non-happy-faces."



Well Robert, I was just taking advantage of the tools to the left so that no body thought that I was being mean or disrespectful to the MV'er's!



There seemed to be a lot of very easy to upset people that fly Kolbs. It is better in my opinion than SHOUTING, or the acronyms like LOL or IMO or other tidbits that take my mind longer to decipher than if they would have used the actual words. 



But I know what your saying, snicker, snicker, about idea, devil, question mark, all the dumb faces to the left. I will make every effort to make my posts in the future, dry, unencumbered, emotionless and intellectually dry humor, whilst attempting to convey love, thought, conniving and emotional manipulations!



We'll leave a light "  " on for the MV boys!

Denny Rowe

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 89
Location: Leechburg, PA

Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 5:12 am Post subject: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers!

Robert,

Thanks for explaining whats going on with all the strange messages, I was 

getting pretty bothered with it all.

Denny E-mail Rowe

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rlaird

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 373
Location: Houston

Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 5:46 am Post subject: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers!

Ralph --



I fully understand the desire and intent on using the available

emoticons, so don't get me wrong.  And I appreciate your attempt at

keeping things light... I've seen more than my share of

misunderstandings.  Communication via email is fraught with danger.



However, I also believe just a modicum of forethought before writing

is all that's needed to convey the proper idea(s) without offending.

Unfortunately, most people don't expend the effort, so that makes the

emoticons very tempting, indeed.  I've been known to use the

happy-face/unhappy-face/wink from time to time, but if one of those

three doesn't do the trick, I doubt any other more convoluted icons

will help.



My complaint wasn't in your (or anyones') use of the emoticons, it was

the way the forum software interprets it for the non-forum users.  My

intent in bringing it up was only to make those who use them aware of

their bizarre interpretation to text.



Frankly, I would (and do) easily suffer through those odd entries in

order to partake of your wisdom and humor!



  -- Robert

On 5/17/06, Ralph Hoover <flht99reh(at)columbus.rr.com> wrote:

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 "It's a little bizarre, if you ask me. So, maybe you can hold off on

 using all those little happy- and non-happy-faces."



 Well Robert, I was just taking advantage of the tools to the left so that no body thought that I was being mean or disrespectful to the MV'er's!



 There seemed to be a lot of very easy to upset people that fly Kolbs. It is better in my opinion than SHOUTING, or the acronyms like LOL or IMO or other tidbits that take my mind longer to decipher than if they would have used the actual words.



 But I know what your saying, snicker, snicker, about idea, devil, question mark, all the dumb faces to the left. I will make every effort to make my posts in the future, dry, unencumbered, emotionless and intellectually dry humor, whilst attempting to convey love, thought, conniving and emotional manipulations!



 We'll leave a light " [Idea] " on for the MV boys!





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=34983#34983

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Robert Laird
formerly: MkIIIc w/ 912ULS & Gyrobee
current: Autogyro Cavalon w/ 914ULS
Houston, TX area
http://www.Texas-Flyer.com

Ralph Hoover

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 206
Location: Central Ohio

Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers!

Wow! Richard "modicum of forethought ". 



Man, Possum and me feel right darned honored that you'un's would use such eliquient words describing the efforts of Matt!



I had to look them up to see ifinn you was doin me a disservice. And youz wasn't! Thankie.



Yes, Sir, I do understand And I am in no way insulted by your response to the little faces or my remarks. We do need to think before hand what we are going to say. In person, you will know by my tone or physical signals my intentions. In word, separated by lack of visualization of my personal animation, expressions sometimes get misread and the level of intellect involved in the individuals that would do what we do, and more so helicopters, will be even more misread. I see these battles take place everyday with personalities that under and other circumstances would be admirable, but on the internet “a war zone”.



I love every individual on this site, the trouble makers that come in for one attack and the repeat offenders, as well as the personalities that could blow away the attacks by something as simple as documenting their qualifications and backgrounds. We are in a way, soldiers in the trenches of life. We choose to fight on the battle grounds of  life a pleasure that has great cost. Life itself,  if misused. It’s in our blood. Its part of us, so deeply sometimes that separating us from it becomes mute at best.  The older ones know what I am saying and the younger ones, if they live that long will also. Life is short! Sounds like a commercial, but it’s not. Keeping a friendship in something you love (for us , flying), takes a commitment because we love doing it, and we should love others that love doing it also. Because of individual personalities, life's experiences, misfortunes or opportunities taken advantage of or missed, “we are here together with that same great love “: flying an experimental airplane. I’ll bet that if you could look deep into the DNA of each and everyone of us, there would be a chromosome that is shaped like an airplane or helicopter. Doctors would marvel at the oddness of our idiocy and make every attempt to analyze it. Insurance companies would work at removing it and the rest of the world would beg for some of it! 



In what we do, we are freaks, and for all that I have done in my life I thank God for the freakishness  in me that the world , in my time , will not understand. But it should always allow us to love one another. Because, behind this strong presence of our very macho, tough guy facade, lies a fragile spirit of love and respect that only wants to give the same.



That's a wrap, here in Ohio, Ralph

rlaird

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 373
Location: Houston

Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers!

There's nothing you can do that can't be done.

Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.

Nothing you can say, but you can learn

How to play the game -

It's easy.

Nothing you can make that can't be made.

No one you can save that can't be saved.

Nothing you can do, but you can learn

How to be you in time -

It's easy.

All you need is love...



  -- John Lennon



On 5/18/06, Ralph Hoover <flht99reh(at)columbus.rr.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Wow! Richard "modicum of forethought ".



 Man, Possum and me feel right darned honored that you'un's would use such eliquient words describing the efforts of Matt!



 I had to look them up to see ifinn you was doin me a disservice. And youz wasn't! Thankie.



 Yes, Sir, I do understand And I am in no way insulted by your response to the little faces or my remarks. We do need to think before hand what we are going to say. In person, you will know by my tone or physical signals my intentions. In word, separated by lack of visualization of my personal animation, expressions sometimes get misread and the level of intellect involved in the individuals that would do what we do, and more so helicopters, will be even more misread. I see these battles take place everyday with personalities that under and other circumstances would be admirable, but on the internet a war zone.



 I love every individual on this site, the trouble makers that come in for one attack and the repeat offenders, as well as the personalities that could blow away the attacks by something as simple as documenting their qualifications and backgrounds. We are in a way, soldiers in the trenches of life. We choose to fight on the battle grounds of  life a pleasure that has great cost. Life itself,  if misused. Its in our blood. Its part of us, so deeply sometimes that separating us from it becomes mute at best.  The older ones know what I am saying and the younger ones, if they live that long will also. Life is short! Sounds like a commercial, but its not. Keeping a friendship in something you love (for us , flying), takes a commitment because we love doing it, and we should love others that love doing it also. Because of individual personalities, life's experiences, misfortunes or opportunities taken advantage of or missed, we are here together with that same great love : flying !

  an experimental airplane. Ill bet that if you could look deep into the DNA of each and everyone of us, there would be a chromosome that is shaped like an airplane or helicopter. Doctors would marvel at the oddness of our idiocy and make every attempt to analyze it. Insurance companies would work at removing it and the rest of the world would beg for some of it!



 In what we do, we are freaks, and for all that I have done in my life I thank God for the freakishness  in me that the world , in my time , will not understand. But it should always allow us to love one another. Because, behind this strong presence of our very macho, tough guy facade, lies a fragile spirit of love and respect that only wants to give the same.



 That's a wrap, here in Ohio, Ralph





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=35252#35252

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formerly: MkIIIc w/ 912ULS & Gyrobee
current: Autogyro Cavalon w/ 914ULS
Houston, TX area
http://www.Texas-Flyer.com

David.Lehman

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 265
Location: "Lovely" Fresno CA

Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 12:43 pm Post subject: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers!

Ah Ralph, feel the love, feel the love...

and I love to say...  do not archive



On 5/18/06, Ralph Hoover <flht99reh(at)columbus.rr.com> wrote:

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 Wow! Richard "modicum of forethought ".



 Man, Possum and me feel right darned honored that you'un's would use such

 eliquient words describing the efforts of Matt!



 I had to look them up to see ifinn you was doin me a disservice. And youz

 wasn't! Thankie.



 Yes, Sir, I do understand And I am in no way insulted by your response to

 the little faces or my remarks. We do need to think before hand what we a=

re
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   going to say. In person, you will know by my tone or physical signals my

 intentions. In word, separated by lack of visualization of my personal

 animation, expressions sometimes get misread and the level of intellect

 involved in the individuals that would do what we do, and more so

 helicopters, will be even more misread. I see these battles take place

 everyday with personalities that under and other circumstances would be

 admirable, but on the internet a war zone.



 I love every individual on this site, the trouble makers that come in for

 one attack and the repeat offenders, as well as the personalities that co=

uld
	


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		   blow away the attacks by something as simple as documenting their

 qualifications and backgrounds. We are in a way, soldiers in the trenches=

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		   also. Life is short! Sounds like a commercial, but its not. Keeping a

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		   Because of individual personalities, life's experiences, misfortunes or

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		   and make every attempt to analyze it. Insurance companies would work at

 removing it and the rest of the world would beg for some of it!



 In what we do, we are freaks, and for all that I have done in my life I

 thank God for the freakishness  in me that the world , in my time , will =

not
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   understand. But it should always allow us to love one another. Because,

 behind this strong presence of our very macho, tough guy facade, lies a

 fragile spirit of love and respect that only wants to give the same.



 That's a wrap, here in Ohio, Ralph





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p35252#35252

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Ralph Hoover

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 206
Location: Central Ohio

Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers!

Robert, Sorry, I said Richard.



Now that said:



 Quote" There's nothing you can do that can't be done. 

Nothing you can sing that can't be sung. 

Nothing you can say, but you can learn 

How to play the game - It's easy. 

Nothing you can make that can't be made. 

No one you can save that can't be saved. 

Nothing you can do, but you can learn 

How to be you in time - It's easy. 

All you need is love... 



-- John Lennon 



I submitt for your analyzing  pleasure: 



The book of Ecclesiaste in the Christian Bible, written by a better known writter of the time (IE: before John Lennon), the one, the only Solomon. He had more money than John, more women than John, more land than John,(I don't know about the booze and the pot, but maby)  but, in the end it's all for naught!



John is a copycat modifier. Ha, Ha!



A child of Gods in Ohio Ralph



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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 1:53 am Post subject: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers!

Quote" There's nothing you can do that can't be done.

Nothing you can sing that can't be sung. >>



I thought for a minute that this had crept in from one of my music lists.



Good Grief!  Just look at those stupid words. How did they get away with it? 

How about..



There is nothing you can fly which can`t be flown

Nothing you can thow which cant be thown.



This  is genius?  Hah! This is tripe



Cheers



at



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Eugene Zimmerman

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 392

Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 4:13 am Post subject: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers!

On May 19, 2006, at 5:53 AM, pat ladd wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		    Hah! This is tripe


	


Yep, shore  izz !

Unbelievable how addicted this list is to a few guys in MV and the  

incredible withdrawal symptoms the kolb list experiences because of  

their absence.

Going to Sam Peachy's "one of a kind" annual fly-in tomorrow Sat.  

May, 20



All the Amish community home-style cook'n  one can  

eat ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, free on the house!

Free fuel for us pilots in past years,

free plane rides given by Sam's daughters to anyone interested,  

especially kids,

all this and  more,



  thanks to,,,



  "ONE OF A KIND"  Sam Peachy & Family





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GeoR38

Joined: 25 Jan 2006
Posts: 60
Location: The Villages, fl

Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 4:16 am Post subject: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers!

In a message dated 5/18/2006 4:43:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  

rlaird(at)cavediver.com writes:



Ill bet  that if you could look deep into the DNA of each and everyone of us, 

there  would be a chromosome that is shaped like an airplane or helicopter. 

Doctors  would marvel at the oddness of our idiocy and make every attempt to 

analyze  it. Insurance companies would work at removing it and the rest of the 

world  would beg for some of it!

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 In what we do, we are freaks, and  for all that I have done in my life I 

thank God for the freakishness  in  me that the world , in my time , will not 
	


understand. But it should always  allow us to love one another. Because, behind 

this strong presence of our very  macho, tough guy facade, lies a fragile 

spirit of love and respect that only  wants to give the same.

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 That's a wrap, here in Ohio,  Ralph


	


Ralph, you are good!! I could end there, but I want you to know that  I have 

a theory based on fact exactly about that topic....DNA.... and the fetish  to 

fly. Truly built in.

 

George  Randolph



Firestar driver from The Villages, Fl 

Rotax 447, 3 blade  Ivo, KX, 1991



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Ralph Hoover

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 206
Location: Central Ohio

Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 6:20 am Post subject: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers!

Disclaimer: The information you are about to read contains no flying 

subject matter, other than "bomb sight". If this is not to your liking, 

please delete now.



Pat and others,



You have exceeded my level of historic knowledge. I could not even 

comment with any real expertise on this subject to respond. I am so 

overwhelmed that one tiny country could and almost did, take over the 

world. I mean all the things at the time that would have assured their 

failure, such as physical distance from countries like America, 

Australia and others. Their population numbered, relevant to the rest of 

the world at the time as so miniscule as a mosquito would to an 

elephant.



There was a saying that my brother-in -law used to use. He was a 

commercial painter, you know the guy that paints six million square feet 

of shopping mall for parts of a penny per square foot. His saying was " 

how do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time". Amazing that this is 

really how you could boil down what Hitler's methods were. The 

difference is, to paint six million square feet in a given time, you 

have to have an appropriate number of people, they need to know their 

respective places, have all their tools in place, they need to be fed, 

clothed, their equipment maintained, they needed to get to work 

(transportation), and they needed motivation (not necessarily the same 

motivation).



Add to that leadership at the work level (job site managers, team 

leaders, etc), bosses above managers, planners, and still suppliers to 

make the equipment to replace the equipment used up. They also would 

need the one major thing necessary to every great project that doesn't 

fail: common direction. Now I don't know about you boys but if you take 

ten people and put them in the same room, they will in time loose 

direction, ambition and motivation. At the same time all of these other 

things are going on, they're are certain outside sources changing the 

framework of the environment that these ten people are working in. 

Boggles the mind.



I always tend to look back to the bible for answers, for as Solomon one 

said..."there is nothing new under the sun". Then I remember that a like 

problem (to the German people in dynamics) was in the Bible. Picture the 

difficulty of moving millions of Jews across the desert for forty years! 

The scale of supplies, clothing, food, tents, medical and so forth. 

Hitler was certainly no Moses (for many reasons to numerous to go into 

here), but he did tackle the logistics problem amazingly.



Most of the stories on the History Channel, or Learning Channel, or 

Military Channel somehow go back to "that particular" battle as being 

the turning point of the war. I don't believe there were ever any 

insignificant battles in that war, from the one-on-one in the streets to 

the major planned, focused, strategic battles of that whole war! Not 

one. And I could never imagine that any single life lost in the effort 

to advance the ending of and successful outcome of that war was not a 

"turning point".



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Overwhelmed Ralph in Ohio

Ralph Hoover

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 206
Location: Central Ohio

Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 9:19 am Post subject: Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers!

Mr. Randolph,



"Ralph, you are good!! 



"Now my head is going to swell. Thank you very much."



"I could end there, but I want you to know that I have a theory based on fact exactly about that topic....DNA.... and the fetish to fly. Truly built in. "



I really believe that also. I never knew about the 'natural" before the movie of the same name. I always believed the difference between one person and another was the desire accompanied by a like amount of effort.



There are some people that are just a natural for something that they make it look so easy to the rest of us that we assume anyone can do it. Until we try, then we discover that I may be able to do the same thing someone else does, most likely no where near as well or as easily. I guess that this is the perfect place to share that line of thought. "Flying" is just such a thing. To many of you, flying becomes second nature. To me it is the largest single challenge I believe I have ever undertaken. I believe it is somewhere in my DNA, but it probably not the predominate one.



I have sailed sailboats and could not only read the wind a mile away but smell the change in it before anyone else around me could. I sailed well. This isn't bragging, or should not be taken as that, but as part of a persons make-up. I could get a 14 foot monohaul sailboat called a Tasier, made in Canada up on plane and beat catamarans! Unheard of. It was just there. I rode motorcycles most of my life and in the clubber world was well respected as someone who rode in any situation as though he was born on a bike. A natural. But I have got to tell you this....In flying "I am no natural"! I love it, I love looking around, I love the feeling and I lay in bed at night and dream flying. But it takes all my stuff (right stuff and wrong stuff) to fly. I once said “God, I have done all the things in my life I have ever wanted to do, with two exceptions: fly a helicopter and play the piano.” I think He said, I believe I'll teach you the piano first. I still don't know how to play the piano, but I decided that I really didn't want to fly a helicopter, a plane would more than suffice.



I have read a great deal about the mechanics of a helicopter and have determined that anyone that could do all the things necessary in order to keep one basket ball on top  of another rolling in a predetermined direction was most assuredly a natural and had the right stuff. That person could be a jerk in real life or a saint but they did something only a very small group of people could ever do. I believe people like Matt, the keeper of our site is a natural. Not everyone can understand the world of "0's" and "1's" and write code and determine why something gets through and something else doesn't. 



There are individuals, much like my wife of 35 years that can look at our basement and say "lets clean it up". Then there are individuals like me that look at the same basement and say " I wouldn't know where to begin". I am so blessed in having a woman that is a natural for me. DNA is the most amazing assignment of structure placement I could possibly imagine. But, I believe with my all that everyone is a natural with the right stuff. Sorting that out is certainly God's task. But I sure love it when I am around others who are a natural and talk about a subject as near to my heart as flying, and there good at it and they are willing to share that knowledge with me, so I can at least be adequate.  I thank all of you for the natural in you. The recognition of that knowledge and the willingness of dragging along under your shirt tails those of us less equipped, so that we may become somewhat equipped sooner.



Now I am going, after the two plus weeks of rain here in Ohio, to work on the planes fuel supply system.



Ralph in soggy Ohio!

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gtb(at)commspeed.net
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers!

Mr. Hoover;



Whether you know it or not, you have the "Right Stuff".   Anyone who 

could

state the feelings, deductions, directions, doubts and desires, as well 

as you

have, is a "front runner" on my list.



I've been flying (off & on) since 1980, but, never achieved a pilot's 

license, and

have tried seriously, on several occassions.   Each time, something came 

to

my life that would detour my path.   I now have over 250 hours PIC in GA 

craft

and another 260 hours in UL craft.   The last time I tried to finish, I 

got as far

as the oral exam and my instructor, who is now flying with an airline, 

stated

that the examiner actually asked questions that (many of them) that the 

CFI

had never heard of and would not have know how to answer them.   I 

decided

to forget the damn thing and fly whatever, whenever, I could.   I've 

been a paid

member in USUA since 1984 and have the 20 year pin and certificate to 

prove

it.   About 2.5 years ago I flew the Grand Champion UL at Copperstate 

Fly-in

for the builder (he hadn't flown in 18 years, but, WOW what a builder).



I've never owned a plane, never built one, and have never had the money 

to

purchase one, but, I get pure enjoyment from watching, reading, and 

dreaming

along with these lists and the people that create, fly, experiment and 

develop

the planes that I love.   It is almost as good as the comraderie at an 

airfield.



You have just stated what most of us know, but, either choose to avoid 

it or

simply do not have the faculties to express it, and for that, seeing it 

in print,

I commend you.



Thank you,



George Bass

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