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From: Raimo Toivio (raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi)
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 3:21 AM
To: Raimo Toivio (raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi)
Subject: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident
Dear All,
it is a long time since I have been here. Today it happened something and I got an Europa Energy Burst (aka ENB) to write on the list. I think this could be useful info for most of you Europa (or any GA plane) operators. Let me tell you what was it and how it went:
***
I have worked couple of years to make an Europa story to the largest All and Universal Technical Scandinavian Magazine which is published in the Scandinavian countries. I have had several flying experiences with their very speciall aviation editor. Today we decided to fly to one very remote airfield. Everything went as normally.
Please notice I have a Monowheel, The Most Sexy GA ever built.
***
Just after a touchdown I
- smelled a well burned rubber and then after
- noticed immediately a strong autobrakeing
- noticed immeadiately the position of the aircraft is not normal (too low and too leveled)
- noticed a rumbling noise
- noticed it is not *very* well steerable or att all and so we went out of the runway to the port side of the grass area
We went out of the runway. That concrete runway 33 was quite narrow, just 6 metres or about 20 feets only. I understood at once what was the name of the game. During first seconds I was wondering if it (tha plane) will be inverted. The brakeing effect was so hard. After seconds I was wondering if I will lose only my prop (and engine) at least. It took only seconds. We stopped and I ask the editor how about if I will now switch off the fuel pump, electrics, engine, are you ok and how do you feel now?
What a story for a newspaperman!
The landing was very normal before the touch down. Let me say, I had completed 416 pcs of an Europa Monowheel landings and this was better than 8 (0-10) just before touch down . I (we) assume the tire/tyre was empty before landing. Not a big bang when landing at all, no no.
***
During the years we (Europa Operators) have speculated what will happen when landing a mono with an empty tire /tyre. Now I /we know: If lucky nothing! My prop was still a virgin (configuration: Warp Drive blades with a wonderful Airmaster hub from NZ). The soil out of the runway was quite soft. There was still a clearance between the mother ground and the blades about 50 mm /2 inches. I kept the stick hard back during the landing. Some of you may remember I do love high speed landings like on final 70 knots and during a touch down around 60 knots. The brakeing effect was very strong because of an empty main (and only!) tire /tyre: it took only less than 100 metres /300 feets from touch down point to the final stop. Zero winds. Runway is a bit upphill.
***
After I checked I am ok and my co-pilot was also ok and my plane was about ok I called bureacrats as they call to do in Finland immediately. The Police came and people from The Air Accident Investigators called me. That was an Finnish Army Airbase also. They came and tried to help us by giving some air to my empty wheel but do not succeeded because the inner tube was totally destroyed during the landing (just 300 metres from us they – Finnish Army - were launching unmannned planes by steam catapult).
***
I called my loving (and sooo beautiful) wife and she took immediately the spare inner tube with her from our hangar and was heading by car with a trailer 200 km /125 miles to us. Without a special jacking block which I always carry with me it would have been impossible task to lift the Mono upp and take the wheel out and change an inner tube for a new one. All together it took 6 hours until we were flyable again. Let me say The Editor still wanted to fly with me back to EFTP. We completed some touches and goes to check would it be again empty or not. It was not. What a smile.
Attached a pic “an accident place, my plane, my Wife and Mr Editor doing tire /tyre changeing jobs”.
***
Fuck!
I have operatored my Europa 4 seasons and this was my 4th case of an empty and a broken main wheel! This was a first experience during a landing. All the other cases have been during taxiing or so. Why?! I have an original size and a brand of an inner tube which is 8.00 – 7(6) which means it is ok for a size 7 and 6. They say so. I had two years an original outer tyre /tire which was like from a colf car but after earlier incidents I changed it for a real aircraft tyre /tire (brand name Air Trac). Always the hole has been in the side of the inner tyre. It has always been let me say about 10 mm /0,4 inches) long crack.
I (I point *I*) assume that is the question of the bad quality of the Deli (made in Indonesian) innner tyres.
***
Let me and we all know the source for the high quality inner tubes please!
Let me and all know is there any clever stuff to put inside of the inner tube *before* accident to prevent this kinds of accidents.
We all know there are stuffs to put inside the inner tubes to make our day *after* it is empty. That is not a solution and nothing to do with a catastrophic failure when the crack is 10 mm or wider.
I /we need a possibility to prevent this kind of (very stupid) not-so-purpose-to-happend-accidents.
***
Monowheels pilots – please do not ever fly far away w/o a lifting block. That is a sensation.
Thanks for Mr. Dirk van Oyen from Belgium (first time in use a day after a Maiden Flight – that was 30.04.2007).
***
Thanks for this wonderful chance to share and make my day.
I have many topics to talk with you. Many questions to answer. Many things to do since the end of the last summer. I will come back.
Thanks you are there. All of you.
***
Specially Mr Kingsley from Oz and Mr Fred Klein from US.
I am happy you are there.
Cheers, Raimo Toivio
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:56 pm Post subject: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident |
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Dear All,
it is a long time since I have been here. Today it happened something and I got an Europa Energy Burst (aka ENB) to write on the list. I think this could be useful info for most of you Europa (or any GA plane) operators. Let me tell you what was it and how it went:
***
I have worked couple of years to make an Europa story to the largest All and Universal Technical Scandinavian Magazine which is published in the Scandinavian countries. I have had several flying experiences with their very speciall aviation editor. Today we decided to fly to one very remote airfield. Everything went as normally.
Please notice I have a Monowheel, The Most Sexy GA ever built.
***
Just after a touchdown I
- smelled a well burned rubber and then after
- noticed immediately a strong autobrakeing
- noticed immeadiately the position of the aircraft is not normal (too low and too leveled)
- noticed a rumbling noise
- noticed it is not *very* well steerable or att all and so we went out of the runway to the port side of the grass area
We went out of the runway. That concrete runway 33 was quite narrow, just 6 metres or about 20 feets only. I understood at once what was the name of the game. During first seconds I was wondering if it (tha plane) will be inverted. The brakeing effect was so hard. After seconds I was wondering if I will lose only my prop (and engine) at least. It took only seconds. We stopped and I ask the editor how about if I will now switch off the fuel pump, electrics, engine, are you ok and how do you feel now?
What a story for a newspaperman!
The landing was very normal before the touch down. Let me say, I had completed 416 pcs of an Europa Monowheel landings and this was better than 8 (0-10) just before touch down . I (we) assume the tire/tyre was empty before landing. Not a big bang when landing at all, no no.
***
During the years we (Europa Operators) have speculated what will happen when landing a mono with an empty tire /tyre. Now I /we know: If lucky nothing! My prop was still a virgin (configuration: Warp Drive blades with a wonderful Airmaster hub from NZ). The soil out of the runway was quite soft. There was still a clearance between the mother ground and the blades about 50 mm /2 inches. I kept the stick hard back during the landing. Some of you may remember I do love high speed landings like on final 70 knots and during a touch down around 60 knots. The brakeing effect was very strong because of an empty main (and only!) tire /tyre: it took only less than 100 metres /300 feets from touch down point to the final stop. Zero winds. Runway is a bit upphill.
***
After I checked I am ok and my co-pilot was also ok and my plane was about ok I called bureacrats as they call to do in Finland immediately. The Police came and people from The Air Accident Investigators called me. That was an Finnish Army Airbase also. They came and tried to help us by giving some air to my empty wheel but do not succeeded because the inner tube was totally destroyed during the landing (just 300 metres from us they – Finnish Army - were launching unmannned planes by steam catapult).
***
I called my loving (and sooo beautiful) wife and she took immediately the spare inner tube with her from our hangar and was heading by car with a trailer 200 km /125 miles to us. Without a special jacking block which I always carry with me it would have been impossible task to lift the Mono upp and take the wheel out and change an inner tube for a new one. All together it took 6 hours until we were flyable again. Let me say The Editor still wanted to fly with me back to EFTP. We completed some touches and goes to check would it be again empty or not. It was not. What a smile.
Attached a pic “an accident place, my plane, my Wife and Mr Editor doing tire /tyre changeing jobs”.
***
Fuck!
I have operatored my Europa 4 seasons and this was my 4th case of an empty and a broken main wheel! This was a first experience during a landing. All the other cases have been during taxiing or so. Why?! I have an original size and a brand of an inner tube which is 8.00 – 7(6) which means it is ok for a size 7 and 6. They say so. I had two years an original outer tyre /tire which was like from a colf car but after earlier incidents I changed it for a real aircraft tyre /tire (brand name Air Trac). Always the hole has been in the side of the inner tyre. It has always been let me say about 10 mm /0,4 inches) long crack.
I (I point *I*) assume that is the question of the bad quality of the Deli (made in Indonesian) innner tyres.
***
Let me and we all know the source for the high quality inner tubes please!
Let me and all know is there any clever stuff to put inside of the inner tube *before* accident to prevent this kinds of accidents.
We all know there are stuffs to put inside the inner tubes to make our day *after* it is empty. That is not a solution and nothing to do with a catastrophic failure when the crack is 10 mm or wider.
I /we need a possibility to prevent this kind of (very stupid) not-so-purpose-to-happend-accidents.
***
Monowheels pilots – please do not ever fly far away w/o a lifting block. That is a sensation.
Thanks for Mr. Dirk van Oyen from Belgium (first time in use a day after a Maiden Flight – that was 30.04.2007).
***
Thanks for this wonderful chance to share and make my day.
I have many topics to talk with you. Many questions to answer. Many things to do since the end of the last summer. I will come back.
Thanks you are there. All of you.
***
Specially Mr Kingsley from Oz and Mr Fred Klein from US.
I am happy you are there.
Cheers, Raimo Toivio
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Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417
Updated flight hours /landings: 214,2 /418
37500 Lempaala
FINLAND
p +358-3-3753 777
f +358-3-3753 100
toivio(at)fly.to (toivio(at)fly.to)
www.rwm.fi
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:30 am Post subject: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident |
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On 07/06/2011 03:51 AM, Raimo Toivio wrote:
| Quote: | - noticed it is not *very* well steerable or att all and so we went out
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Glad to hear you and your airplane came out ok.
Makes me wonder if anyone ever had a flat tire with an Europa tri-gear?
What is then the sensation?
I guess if it is the nose wheel it is not a big thing with proper
landing habits. By the time it is loaded with weight the speed should
already be very low.
But what if it is one of the main gears? I guess it will take very hard
braking on the opposite wheel to prevent a very violent ground loop (if
at all it will be possible to brake hard enough).
Any experiences, opinions?
Frans
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:59 am Post subject: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident |
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Really pleased to hear you survived the incident without sustaining any damage Raimo. . . . . undoubtedly largely because of your excellent flying skills.
We are very pleased to have you around too Raimo and it is great to know you are enjoying your flying again.
I have now retired, our new home is completed and the hangar was commenced two days ago. Hopefully, I will be able to find some time to write to you again soon.
Oh! I nearly forgot . . . . we are going to have another go next week at collecting the 914 Europa we purchased so I will heed your advice and make up a lifting block before we go . . . . just in case!
Cheers my friend
Kingsley
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:01 am Post subject: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident |
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Hi Ravio,
Are we starting a “readers wives” section on this forum – just curious ?
Best stuff to avoid tyre going flat is “slime”. http://www.slime.com/
Great stuff – even use it in my car tyres.
Good Luck
Carl G-LABS
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
Sent: 06 July 2011 01:53
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident
From: Raimo Toivio (raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi)
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 3:21 AM
To: Raimo Toivio (raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi)
Subject: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident
Dear All,
it is a long time since I have been here. Today it happened something and I got an Europa Energy Burst (aka ENB) to write on the list. I think this could be useful info for most of you Europa (or any GA plane) operators. Let me tell you what was it and how it went:
***
I have worked couple of years to make an Europa story to the largest All and Universal Technical Scandinavian Magazine which is published in the Scandinavian countries. I have had several flying experiences with their very speciall aviation editor. Today we decided to fly to one very remote airfield. Everything went as normally.
Please notice I have a Monowheel, The Most Sexy GA ever built.
***
Just after a touchdown I
- smelled a well burned rubber and then after
- noticed immediately a strong autobrakeing
- noticed immeadiately the position of the aircraft is not normal (too low and too leveled)
- noticed a rumbling noise
- noticed it is not *very* well steerable or att all and so we went out of the runway to the port side of the grass area
We went out of the runway. That concrete runway 33 was quite narrow, just 6 metres or about 20 feets only. I understood at once what was the name of the game. During first seconds I was wondering if it (tha plane) will be inverted. The brakeing effect was so hard. After seconds I was wondering if I will lose only my prop (and engine) at least. It took only seconds. We stopped and I ask the editor how about if I will now switch off the fuel pump, electrics, engine, are you ok and how do you feel now?
What a story for a newspaperman!
The landing was very normal before the touch down. Let me say, I had completed 416 pcs of an Europa Monowheel landings and this was better than 8 (0-10) just before touch down . I (we) assume the tire/tyre was empty before landing. Not a big bang when landing at all, no no.
***
During the years we (Europa Operators) have speculated what will happen when landing a mono with an empty tire /tyre. Now I /we know: If lucky nothing! My prop was still a virgin (configuration: Warp Drive blades with a wonderful Airmaster hub from NZ). The soil out of the runway was quite soft. There was still a clearance between the mother ground and the blades about 50 mm /2 inches. I kept the stick hard back during the landing. Some of you may remember I do love high speed landings like on final 70 knots and during a touch down around 60 knots. The brakeing effect was very strong because of an empty main (and only!) tire /tyre: it took only less than 100 metres /300 feets from touch down point to the final stop. Zero winds. Runway is a bit upphill.
***
After I checked I am ok and my co-pilot was also ok and my plane was about ok I called bureacrats as they call to do in Finland immediately. The Police came and people from The Air Accident Investigators called me. That was an Finnish Army Airbase also. They came and tried to help us by giving some air to my empty wheel but do not succeeded because the inner tube was totally destroyed during the landing (just 300 metres from us they – Finnish Army - were launching unmannned planes by steam catapult).
***
I called my loving (and sooo beautiful) wife and she took immediately the spare inner tube with her from our hangar and was heading by car with a trailer 200 km /125 miles to us. Without a special jacking block which I always carry with me it would have been impossible task to lift the Mono upp and take the wheel out and change an inner tube for a new one. All together it took 6 hours until we were flyable again. Let me say The Editor still wanted to fly with me back to EFTP. We completed some touches and goes to check would it be again empty or not. It was not. What a smile.
Attached a pic “an accident place, my plane, my Wife and Mr Editor doing tire /tyre changeing jobs”.
***
Fuck!
I have operatored my Europa 4 seasons and this was my 4th case of an empty and a broken main wheel! This was a first experience during a landing. All the other cases have been during taxiing or so. Why?! I have an original size and a brand of an inner tube which is 8.00 – 7(6) which means it is ok for a size 7 and 6. They say so. I had two years an original outer tyre /tire which was like from a colf car but after earlier incidents I changed it for a real aircraft tyre /tire (brand name Air Trac). Always the hole has been in the side of the inner tyre. It has always been let me say about 10 mm /0,4 inches) long crack.
I (I point *I*) assume that is the question of the bad quality of the Deli (made in Indonesian) innner tyres.
***
Let me and we all know the source for the high quality inner tubes please!
Let me and all know is there any clever stuff to put inside of the inner tube *before* accident to prevent this kinds of accidents.
We all know there are stuffs to put inside the inner tubes to make our day *after* it is empty. That is not a solution and nothing to do with a catastrophic failure when the crack is 10 mm or wider.
I /we need a possibility to prevent this kind of (very stupid) not-so-purpose-to-happend-accidents.
***
Monowheels pilots – please do not ever fly far away w/o a lifting block. That is a sensation.
Thanks for Mr. Dirk van Oyen from Belgium (first time in use a day after a Maiden Flight – that was 30.04.2007).
***
Thanks for this wonderful chance to share and make my day.
I have many topics to talk with you. Many questions to answer. Many things to do since the end of the last summer. I will come back.
Thanks you are there. All of you.
***
Specially Mr Kingsley from Oz and Mr Fred Klein from US.
I am happy you are there.
Cheers, Raimo Toivio
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Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417
Updated flight hours /landings: 214,2 /418
37500 Lempaala
FINLAND
p +358-3-3753 777
f +358-3-3753 100
toivio(at)fly.to (toivio(at)fly.to)
www.rwm.fi
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:36 am Post subject: Re: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident |
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Flat tires in a tri gear do not appear to be a big deal.
I have had three in seven years of flying.
Two were nosewheel flats due to pinched inner tubes on the outer,
not inner surface of the tube with slow breakdown of integrity.
These flats occurred while taxiing. One of those occurred at
night at KISP at the far end of Rwy 24, about 1.5 nm from starting ramp.
Of note, my call to the tower elicited an EMS vehicle (ambulance!), not
a tow rig which then took an extra hour to organize.
The other nose gear flat occurred after only 0.5 sm of taxiing.
The main gear flat occurred on landing and the a/c remained controllable
with rudder and brakes. It was a rapid leak, not a sudden blowout.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:04 am Post subject: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident |
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An alarming incident Raimo & good you had no further damage. Sounds like bad inner tubes. What pressure do you run at?
By the way, is that a couple of bottles of amber nectar on the grass there? You probably needed them.
Mike
G-CFMP
Mono and just started learning.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:40 am Post subject: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident |
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Hi Mike
I run a bit overpressurized (not me but my tire). That is from 2,0 to 2,2 bars. I hate a soft tire – it is like a waterfilled air balloon and I as a child jumping on it.
BTW: I do not use gauge for checking an air pressure. I use a ruler which is exatly 162 mm (6,38 inches) long. That is a distance from the hard surface to the under surface of the center axle opposite brake disc side.
- no batteries
- no calibration
- unbreakable
- very light
- very cheap
- very strong
- no one want to steal it
- easy to make a new one
OK – I know. It does not take care of a tire loosing rubber material during the years but that is really insignificant. One millimeter eq. about 0,01 bars. OAT means more. 162 mm is a good gap for me at least!
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I try to find a way to get a pressure info during flight. I assume there could be findable batteryoperated wireless radio-operated pressure senders which could locate in the valve top. Have you seen such an items?
I wanna get a pressure info during the flight before landing and also to know low pressure to land before no pressure at all.
That could make my day – I really wish yesterday was the last incident like this.
I cannot be so lucky forever.
Modern cars do check the pressure by checking the rotateing speed of the wheels but our tires are not rotateing when flying...
Cheers, Raimo Toivio
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Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417
Updated flight hours /landings: 214,2 /418
37500 Lempaala
FINLAND
p +358-3-3753 777
f +358-3-3753 100
toivio(at)fly.to (toivio(at)fly.to)
www.rwm.fi
From: Mike Gamble (mp.gamble(at)talktalk.net)
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 4:01 PM
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident
An alarming incident Raimo & good you had no further damage. Sounds like bad inner tubes. What pressure do you run at?
By the way, is that a couple of bottles of amber nectar on the grass there? You probably needed them.
Mike
G-CFMP
Mono and just started learning.
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By the way, is that a couple of bottles of amber nectar on the grass there? You probably needed them.
You were right but absolutely alcohol free. That is a principle for me. But later at home, I think I got some real amber nectars. At least my wife (she again!) claims so.
Raimo
I wish you happy learning process and a steep curve upphill – it is free and legal drug. Flying and landing Monos – that is unbeatable. You are a lucky man. Only let us say 200 persons in the Universe operate Mono. That is a real WOW to be one of them.
Mike
G-CFMP
Mono and just started learning.
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Hi All,
I have found that the inner tubes on my mono to be an ongoing problem and I now routinely change my inner tube every 150 hours as preventative maintenance. The tubes I have been using are not very expensive and I think that they are from China. Recently Bud made me aware that there is a certified inner tube available at about 3 times the cost and if they last longer then they would be so worth it!
I do recall when I mentioned on the forum that I was losing inner tubes regularly that some people were surprised and that they had not had a problem so perhaps this can be accounted for by different inner tubes being available. The failure I get is that the side wall of the inner tube get small splits in it due to chafing. I typically run my tire at about 24 psi, which is higher than the recommended by Europa. BTW I do use talcum powder when I install the inner tube.
I have had 3 blow outs on a hard surface and fortunately I was able to keep directional control. The challenge I found is that with a flat tire the mono is nearly impossible to move. It happen to me at a large airport once which got the airport authority excited because they had to shut the runway down and divert all of the 737's to a shorter runway. I now carry a jacking block, tools and a spare inner tube with me and I can now do the change out in less than 30 minutes.
Next time around I am going to try a certified inner tube in the hope that it will last longer.
Paul
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From: Raimo Toivio (raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi)
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 3:21 AM
To: Raimo Toivio (raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi)
Subject: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident
Dear All,
it is a long time since I have been here. Today it happened something and I got an Europa Energy Burst (aka ENB) to write on the list. I think this could be useful info for most of you Europa (or any GA plane) operators. Let me tell you what was it and how it went:
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Raimo
I wish you happy learning process and a steep curve upphill it is free and legal drug. Flying and landing Monos that is unbeatable. You are a lucky man. Only let us say 200 persons in the Universe operate Mono. That is a real WOW to be one of them.
Mike
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what about this:
http://www.conrad.fr/systeme_de_controle_de_pression_des_pneus_v2_p_48453_48664_967270_949504
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All monowheel drivers
Following this thread today... I have a few commits to throw to the forum...I notice that Europa requires very low tire pressure in their manual....
I also noticed today that quiet a few monowheel drivers are having flat's....I suspect that with the low air pressure, when you land the sidewals are flexing due to low air pressure...this is probably "pinching the inner tube" and then the tire goes flat....
I have always kept 32 PSI in the tire. IN 10 years, and two tires and tubes, I have never had a flat....Yes I know I have been blessed by the good luck god..
Thank about it with 32 P S In the tube the sidewalls are not flexing......Just my thought's on this matter....
Jim Brown
Monowheel.......
---- Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator(at)gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Hi All,
I have found that the inner tubes on my mono to be an ongoing problem and I
now routinely change my inner tube every 150 hours as preventative
maintenance. The tubes I have been using are not very expensive and I think
that they are from China. Recently Bud made me aware that there is a
certified inner tube available at about 3 times the cost and if they last
longer then they would be so worth it!
I do recall when I mentioned on the forum that I was losing inner tubes
regularly that some people were surprised and that they had not had a
problem so perhaps this can be accounted for by different inner tubes being
available. The failure I get is that the side wall of the inner tube get
small splits in it due to chafing. I typically run my tire at about 24 psi,
which is higher than the recommended by Europa. BTW I do use talcum powder
when I install the inner tube.
I have had 3 blow outs on a hard surface and fortunately I was able to keep
directional control. The challenge I found is that with a flat tire the
mono is nearly impossible to move. It happen to me at a large airport once
which got the airport authority excited because they had to shut the runway
down and divert all of the 737's to a shorter runway. I now carry a jacking
block, tools and a spare inner tube with me and I can now do the change out
in less than 30 minutes.
Next time around I am going to try a certified inner tube in the hope that
it will last longer.
Paul
>
> *From:* Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 3:21 AM
> *To:* Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi>
> *Subject:* Tire /tyre landing incident /accident
>
> Dear All,
>
> it is a long time since I have been here. Today it happened something and I
> got an Europa Energy Burst (aka ENB) to write on the list. I think this
> could be useful info for most of you Europa (or any GA plane) operators. Let
> me tell you what was it and how it went:
>
>
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10 years, one slow leak, 18 lbs
Mono
Jerry
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 6, 2011, at 10:36 AM, <acrojim(at)cfl.rr.com> wrote:
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All monowheel drivers
Following this thread today... I have a few commits to throw to the forum...I notice that Europa requires very low tire pressure in their manual....
I also noticed today that quiet a few monowheel drivers are having flat's....I suspect that with the low air pressure, when you land the sidewals are flexing due to low air pressure...this is probably "pinching the inner tube" and then the tire goes flat....
I have always kept 32 PSI in the tire. IN 10 years, and two tires and tubes, I have never had a flat....Yes I know I have been blessed by the good luck god..
Thank about it with 32 P S In the tube the sidewalls are not flexing......Just my thought's on this matter....
Jim Brown
Monowheel.......
---- Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator(at)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have found that the inner tubes on my mono to be an ongoing problem and I
> now routinely change my inner tube every 150 hours as preventative
> maintenance. The tubes I have been using are not very expensive and I think
> that they are from China. Recently Bud made me aware that there is a
> certified inner tube available at about 3 times the cost and if they last
> longer then they would be so worth it!
>
> I do recall when I mentioned on the forum that I was losing inner tubes
> regularly that some people were surprised and that they had not had a
> problem so perhaps this can be accounted for by different inner tubes being
> available. The failure I get is that the side wall of the inner tube get
> small splits in it due to chafing. I typically run my tire at about 24 psi,
> which is higher than the recommended by Europa. BTW I do use talcum powder
> when I install the inner tube.
>
> I have had 3 blow outs on a hard surface and fortunately I was able to keep
> directional control. The challenge I found is that with a flat tire the
> mono is nearly impossible to move. It happen to me at a large airport once
> which got the airport authority excited because they had to shut the runway
> down and divert all of the 737's to a shorter runway. I now carry a jacking
> block, tools and a spare inner tube with me and I can now do the change out
> in less than 30 minutes.
>
> Next time around I am going to try a certified inner tube in the hope that
> it will last longer.
>
> Paul
>
>
>>
>> *From:* Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 3:21 AM
>> *To:* Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi>
>> *Subject:* Tire /tyre landing incident /accident
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> it is a long time since I have been here. Today it happened something and I
>> got an Europa Energy Burst (aka ENB) to write on the list. I think this
>> could be useful info for most of you Europa (or any GA plane) operators. Let
>> me tell you what was it and how it went:
>>
>>
>>
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Hi Jim,
We have over 800 hours on our monowheel without any flats as well, but we run 18-19 psi, as recommended. We fly almost exclusively on pavement, which I would expect to be harder on tires and tubes than grass.
Regards,
Terry
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I keep the tyre pressure between 28-30 psi. No problems with the tyre after 250hours 464 cycles. Only disadvantage with the higher pressure is one has to be more diligent on controlling the aircraft path when landing on hard pavement runways. I did not use the original Europa tyre but use the Mccready? Air tire, narrower and stronger.
Tim
Tim Ward
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Ph 64 3 3515166
Mob 0210640221
On 7/07/2011, at 6:19 AM, Jerry Rehn <rehn(at)rockisland.com> wrote:
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10 years, one slow leak, 18 lbs
Mono
Jerry
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 6, 2011, at 10:36 AM, <acrojim(at)cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> All monowheel drivers
>
> Following this thread today... I have a few commits to throw to the forum...I notice that Europa requires very low tire pressure in their manual....
>
> I also noticed today that quiet a few monowheel drivers are having flat's....I suspect that with the low air pressure, when you land the sidewals are flexing due to low air pressure...this is probably "pinching the inner tube" and then the tire goes flat....
>
> I have always kept 32 PSI in the tire. IN 10 years, and two tires and tubes, I have never had a flat....Yes I know I have been blessed by the good luck god..
>
> Thank about it with 32 P S In the tube the sidewalls are not flexing......Just my thought's on this matter....
>
> Jim Brown
> Monowheel.......
>
> ---- Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have found that the inner tubes on my mono to be an ongoing problem and I
>> now routinely change my inner tube every 150 hours as preventative
>> maintenance. The tubes I have been using are not very expensive and I think
>> that they are from China. Recently Bud made me aware that there is a
>> certified inner tube available at about 3 times the cost and if they last
>> longer then they would be so worth it!
>>
>> I do recall when I mentioned on the forum that I was losing inner tubes
>> regularly that some people were surprised and that they had not had a
>> problem so perhaps this can be accounted for by different inner tubes being
>> available. The failure I get is that the side wall of the inner tube get
>> small splits in it due to chafing. I typically run my tire at about 24 psi,
>> which is higher than the recommended by Europa. BTW I do use talcum powder
>> when I install the inner tube.
>>
>> I have had 3 blow outs on a hard surface and fortunately I was able to keep
>> directional control. The challenge I found is that with a flat tire the
>> mono is nearly impossible to move. It happen to me at a large airport once
>> which got the airport authority excited because they had to shut the runway
>> down and divert all of the 737's to a shorter runway. I now carry a jacking
>> block, tools and a spare inner tube with me and I can now do the change out
>> in less than 30 minutes.
>>
>> Next time around I am going to try a certified inner tube in the hope that
>> it will last longer.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 3:21 AM
>>> *To:* Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi>
>>> *Subject:* Tire /tyre landing incident /accident
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> it is a long time since I have been here. Today it happened something and I
>>> got an Europa Energy Burst (aka ENB) to write on the list. I think this
>>> could be useful info for most of you Europa (or any GA plane) operators. Let
>>> me tell you what was it and how it went:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
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OK now I know what I like to do when grown up.
Oh yes there are plenty of other monos like Falkes and all those motor gliders but of course I meant 200 persons in the Universe operate Mono only Europa Monos...
Raimo
From: Paul McAllister (paul.the.aviator(at)gmail.com)
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:57 PM
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi (raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi)> wrote:
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Raimo
I wish you happy learning process and a steep curve upphill it is free and legal drug. Flying and landing Monos that is unbeatable. You are a lucky man. Only let us say 200 persons in the Universe operate Mono. That is a real WOW to be one of them.
Mike
G-CFMP
Mono and just started learning.
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Alain,
that product will look nice on the Europa´s dashboard. Where is my Visa?
These measures (detectors) below must be a type!
Dimensions de l'affichage 67 x 22 x 92 mm Dimensions détecteur(s) 67 x 22 x 92 mm
Great, thanks Alan! A nice gizmo I bet nobody have here nearby!
Raimo
From: Alain Chabert (alainchabert(at)wanadoo.fr)
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:02 PM
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident
Hi Raimo
what about this:
http://www.conrad.fr/systeme_de_controle_de_pression_des_pneus_v2_p_48453_48664_967270_949504
Alain CHABERT
F-PSLY
e-mail : alainchabert(at)wanadoo.fr (alainchabert(at)wanadoo.fr)
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Dear Jim
Read careful my post: I like to use pressure 2,0 -
2,2 bars. 2,1 bar = 30,45 PSI. So we land with
same pressures. Pressure - low or high - is not a
reason.
What is your tube brand name?
What is your tube and tyre size?
Until I will get a reason and solution I am going
to do same as Paul is doing: changeing regularly
tube. Makes me sense to change it every year (= in
my case every 50 hrs /about 50 - 100 landings. I
never can do it in 30 minutes but so what. Tube is
very cheap. For example yeasterday I spent 6 hrs
fighting with that problem with my wife and that
newspaperman. That is 18 hrs + all the extra fees
+ 400 km driving car. That must be same as buying
let us say 100 pcs of tubes.
BTW also I use masses of baby bottom talcum. That
delicate scent is a bit embarrassing...
Raimo
-----Alkuperäinen viesti-----
From: acrojim(at)cfl.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:36 PM
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Tire /tyre landing
incident /accident
<acrojim(at)cfl.rr.com>
All monowheel drivers
Following this thread today... I have a few
commits to throw to the forum...I notice that
Europa requires very low tire pressure in their
manual....
I also noticed today that quiet a few monowheel
drivers are having flat's....I suspect that with
the low air pressure, when you land the sidewals
are flexing due to low air pressure...this is
probably "pinching the inner tube" and then the
tire goes flat....
I have always kept 32 PSI in the tire. IN 10
years, and two tires and tubes, I have never had a
flat....Yes I know I have been blessed by the good
luck god..
Thank about it with 32 P S In the tube the
sidewalls are not flexing......Just my thought's
on this matter....
Jim Brown
Monowheel.......
---- Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator(at)gmail.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | Hi All,
I have found that the inner tubes on my mono to
be an ongoing problem and I
now routinely change my inner tube every 150
hours as preventative
maintenance. The tubes I have been using are
not very expensive and I think
that they are from China. Recently Bud made me
aware that there is a
certified inner tube available at about 3 times
the cost and if they last
longer then they would be so worth it!
I do recall when I mentioned on the forum that I
was losing inner tubes
regularly that some people were surprised and
that they had not had a
problem so perhaps this can be accounted for by
different inner tubes being
available. The failure I get is that the side
wall of the inner tube get
small splits in it due to chafing. I typically
run my tire at about 24 psi,
which is higher than the recommended by Europa.
BTW I do use talcum powder
when I install the inner tube.
I have had 3 blow outs on a hard surface and
fortunately I was able to keep
directional control. The challenge I found is
that with a flat tire the
mono is nearly impossible to move. It happen to
me at a large airport once
which got the airport authority excited because
they had to shut the runway
down and divert all of the 737's to a shorter
runway. I now carry a jacking
block, tools and a spare inner tube with me and
I can now do the change out
in less than 30 minutes.
Next time around I am going to try a certified
inner tube in the hope that
it will last longer.
Paul
>
> *From:* Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 3:21 AM
> *To:* Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi>
> *Subject:* Tire /tyre landing incident
> /accident
>
> Dear All,
>
> it is a long time since I have been here.
> Today it happened something and I
> got an Europa Energy Burst (aka ENB) to write
> on the list. I think this
> could be useful info for most of you Europa
> (or any GA plane) operators. Let
> me tell you what was it and how it went:
>
>
>
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