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Martin Olliver

Joined: 04 Jan 2010
Posts: 35

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:41 am Post subject: Fuel Injection

Any one know of this company in Germany? Web. 

www.silent-hektik.com/ul_912_1_htm

They make among other things a retro fit fuel injection system for the Rotax 912. Looks a good system from the photos but I do not speak German and have thus far not tried to contact them for a translation.

Has anyone  fitted this system and if so how well did it perform?

frans(at)privatepilots.nl
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:26 am Post subject: Fuel Injection

On 08/03/2011 11:41 AM, Martin Olliver wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Any one know of this company in Germany? Web. 

 www.silent-hektik.com/ul_912_1_htm


	


This is the corrected URL:

http://www.silent-hektik.com/UL_912_1.htm



I didn't know them, thanks!



However, there is also an Italian company making a FI-retrokit system.

The good news here is that they use the original carbs as throttle body

for the fuel injection. You just get two new intake manifolds with

injector ports molded in. The nice thing is that if the fuel injection

fails, you can just open the fuel valve to the carbs and continue your

flight. The have a demo movie where they switch back and forth between

carbs and fuel injection without the engine stalling.



I wouldn't just fit in fuel injection without fall back. There is no

reliability data on the electronics for the fuel injection, nor enough

data to make sure the engine doesn't run lean on *any* combinations of

density, altitude, rpm, prop load, throttle setting, etc. If the engine

runs too lean you risk burning holes in your pistons...

And it makes your engine utterly dependent on electricity (unless you go

for the Italian solution).



What worries me too is that the German site makes false claims, like

"Trouble free on ethanol". If there is any trouble with ethanol (and

there is), it is not so much carb related but due to the behaviour in

combination with moisture from the atmosphere. Ethanol binds water and

can keep lots of water suspended in the fuel, until the temperature

drops (typical at higher altitudes) where suddenly the water simply

falls out of suspension, creating a pool of water at the bottom of the

tank which wasn't there when you performed your pre-flight checks. Bad

to find out about this while flying over the Alps... And no fuel

injection, no matter how advanced, keeps the engine running on pure

water either.



BTW the main benefit of fuel injection is improved fuel economy. It

isn't going to do miracles to the power. It will help a bit but I'm

afraid not enough to make a real noticable difference. The improved fuel

economy though might be worth it, if you care about fuel economy

(improved economy, or improved range, or less fuel weight).



Frans

Martin Olliver

Joined: 04 Jan 2010
Posts: 35

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:13 am Post subject: Re: Fuel Injection

Thank you Frans for the info. Having had time to look on the Internet I assume the Italian engineers you refer are EPA Power? 

I was thinking the system would be a lot simpler to maintain than Rotax stock carbs and fittings. Power increase was not so important. I believe 95 ish HP could be possible for the 912ul by fitting a different set of pistons if this was required.

raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:53 am Post subject: Fuel Injection

Hi Martin



This is slightly off-topic but I cannot resist:



How about this vehicle engined by Rotax?



Fuel injected, water cooled, three cylinder, four 

cyckles, super charged with intercooler, 255 HP (at) 

8000 rpm, 1493 cm3, very sophisticated sound and 

with extremely smooth endless power. Used to be 

inside GRP /composite structure. Very fast.



It is my new toy but what is it?

Cheers, Raimo Toivio



Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417



Updated flight hours /landings:



37500 Lempaala

FINLAND



p +358-3-3753 777

f +358-3-3753 100



toivio(at)fly.to

www.rwm.fi

-----Alkuperäinen viesti----- 

From: Martin Olliver

Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 12:41 PM

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Fuel Injection




Olliver" <martflynut(at)aol.com>



Any one know of this company in Germany? Web.

www.silent-hektik.com/ul_912_1_htm

They make among other things a retro fit fuel 

injection system for the Rotax 912. Looks a good 

system from the photos but I do not speak German 

and have thus far not tried to contact them for a 

translation.

Has anyone  fitted this system and if so how well 

did it perform?





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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:39 am Post subject: Fuel Injection

On 08/03/2011 06:13 PM, Martin Olliver wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Thank you Frans for the info. Having had time to look on the Internet

 I assume the Italian engineers you refer are EPA Power?


	


I was referring to these:

http://www.flygas.info/en/kit-fly-safe.html



Another thing you could do is to buy the modified intake manifolds only,

and use some generic programmable aftermarket kit for the fuel

injection. There exists also a high pressure fuel pump that will fit in

place of the stock Rotax fuel pump. It is the same one Bob Borger has.



 	  Quote: 	
		   I was

 thinking the system would be a lot simpler to maintain than Rotax

 stock carbs and fittings.


	


Well EFI-systems can sometimes be a nightmare to maintain. Clogged

injectors, faulty sensors, lots of electrical wiring/connectors that can

get dirty, oxidated or just develop faults for no apparent reason, etc.

If maintenance is the issue, I believe that the stock configuration is

more reliable and easier to maintain.



Frans

frans(at)privatepilots.nl
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:39 am Post subject: Fuel Injection

On 08/03/2011 08:50 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Hi Martin

 

 This is slightly off-topic but I cannot resist:

 

 How about this vehicle engined by Rotax?

 

 Fuel injected, water cooled, three cylinder, four cyckles, super charged

 with intercooler, 255 HP (at) 8000 rpm, 1493 cm3, very sophisticated sound

 and with extremely smooth endless power. Used to be inside GRP

 /composite structure. Very fast.

 

 It is my new toy but what is it?


	


Boat?



Frans

nigel_graham(at)m-tecque.
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:03 pm Post subject: Fuel Injection

BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Well, your last topic covered the mundane subject of a flat tyre and that quickly developed into a full blown sexual fantasy, I can only hazzard a guess that that you have developed a new femail sex toy? 

(Can't wait to see where this will go  

  

Nigel

  

  

  

  On Wed 03/08/11 19:50 , "Raimo Toivio" raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi sent:

   [quote]Hi Martin

  

  This is slightly off-topic but I cannot resist:

  

  How about this vehicle engined by Rotax?

  

  Fuel injected, water cooled, three cylinder, four 

  cyckles, super charged with intercooler, 255 HP (at) 

  8000 rpm, 1493 cm3, very sophisticated sound and 

  with extremely smooth endless power. Used to be 

  inside GRP /composite structure. Very fast.

  

  It is my new toy but what is it?

  

  

  Cheers, Raimo Toivio

  

  Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417

  

  Updated flight hours /landings:

  

  37500 Lempaala

  FINLAND

  

  p +358-3-3753 777

  f +358-3-3753 100

  

  [url=javascript:top.opencompose(\'toivio(at)fly.to\',\'\',\'\',\'\')]toivio(at)fly.to[/url]

  [url=parse.php?redirect=http://www.rwm.fi]www.rwm.fi[/url]

  

  

  

  

  

  

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  From: Martin Olliver

  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 12:41 PM

  To: [url=javascript:top.opencompose(\'europa-list(at)matronics.com\',\'\',\'\',\'\')]europa-list(at)matronics.com[/url]

  Subject: Fuel Injection

  

    Olliver" <[url=javascript:top.opencompose(\'martflynut(at)aol.com\',\'\',\'\',\'\')]martflynut(at)aol.com[/url]>

  

  Any one know of this company in Germany? Web.

  [url=parse.php?redirect=http://www.silent-hektik.com%2Ful_912_1_htm]www.silent-hektik.com/ul_912_1_htm[/url]

  They make among other things a retro fit fuel 

  injection system for the Rotax 912. Looks a good 

  system from the photos but I do not speak German 

  and have thus far not tried to contact them for a 

  translation.

  Has anyone fitted this system and if so how well 

  did it perform?

  

  

  

  

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rlborger(at)mac.com
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:28 pm Post subject: Fuel Injection

Nigel,



I'm not going to touch that one with a 3 meter pole.  But I will guess snowmobile for Raimo's SuperDuper engine.



 Blue skies & tailwinds,

Bob Borger

http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL

Europa XS, Short Wing, Intercooled Rotax 914

rlborger(at)mac.com (rlborger(at)mac.com)

Cel: 817-992-1117



 

 

On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Nigel Graham wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

  BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Well, your last topic covered the mundane subject of a flat tyre and that quickly developed into a full blown sexual fantasy, I can only hazzard a guess that that you have developed a new femail sex toy?

(Can't wait to see where this will go  



Nigel

grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:39 pm Post subject: Fuel Injection

Nevertheless, a good fuel injection system would always be better than carburetors which on the 91x engines never give even distribution, just watch the EGTs.. Question is how do you achieve it? 

regards Frans

Graham

From: Frans Veldman <frans(at)privatepilots.nl>

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Well EFI-systems can sometimes be a nightmare to maintain. Clogged

injectors, faulty sensors, lots of electrical wiring/connectors that can

get dirty,  oxidated or just develop faults for no apparent reason, etc.

If maintenance is the issue, I believe that the stock configuration is

more reliable and easier to maintain.

Frans

peterz(at)zutrasoft.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:44 pm Post subject: Fuel Injection

Seadoo, a big and very fast seadoo 



Endless coolant supply, and I wonder what their longevity/reliability is?



Cheers,

Pete

a239



On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:37 PM, Frans Veldman <frans(at)privatepilots.nl> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 On 08/03/2011 08:50 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote:

> Hi Martin

> 

> This is slightly off-topic but I cannot resist:

> 

> How about this vehicle engined by Rotax?

> 

> Fuel injected, water cooled, three cylinder, four cyckles, super charged

> with intercooler, 255 HP (at) 8000 rpm, 1493 cm3, very sophisticated sound

> and with extremely smooth endless power. Used to be inside GRP

> /composite structure. Very fast.

> 

> It is my new toy but what is it?

 

 Boat?

 

 Frans

paul.the.aviator(at)gmail
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:09 pm Post subject: Fuel Injection

I'll bite.  Jet Ski?

Do not archive

On Wednesday, August 3, 2011, Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi (raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Hi Martin

 This is slightly off-topic but I cannot resist:

 >

 	  Quote: 	
		   How about this vehicle engined by Rotax?

 Fuel injected, water cooled, three cylinder, four cyckles, super charged with intercooler, 255 HP (at) 8000 rpm, 1493 cm3, very sophisticated sound and with extremely smooth endless power. Used to be inside GRP /composite structure. Very fast.

 >

[quote] It is my new toy but what is it?

  [quote][b]

frans(at)privatepilots.nl
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:38 pm Post subject: Fuel Injection

On 08/04/2011 01:35 AM, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Nevertheless, a good fuel injection system would always be better than

 carburetors which on the 91x engines never give even distribution, just


	


And if you improve the distribution... you get less fuel consumption,

just as I said. That's the main achievement if you install an EFI.

(Rotax knows about the uneven distribution, so it has adjusted the carbs

to give a proper mixture for the leanest cylinders. The other cylinders

receive a mixture that is a tad richer than optimal. The latter is what

you can correct with the EFI).



 	  Quote: 	
		   watch the EGTs.. Question is how do you achieve it?


	


It is not so difficult. The most difficult part is to get an intake

manifold with injector bosses. Once you have that, you can buy a generic

injector kit. It komes with a MAP-sensor, an RPM-sensor, and of course

the programmable computer. Install an O2-sensor in the exhaust, and

tweak the computer so that it gives the proper mixture in all

conditions. I still have it on my list of future projects. 



Frans

biovail2001(at)YAHOO.COM
Guest

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:04 am Post subject: Fuel Injection

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



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raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
Guest

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 2:52 am Post subject: Fuel Injection

Pete, Nigel, Paul, Frans and all

  

  

 It is a JetBoat for four persons (attachment). That is only one in the  country like my Europa as well.

  

 About the reliability: they claim it is very good but there must be (so far  we have logged 6 hrs only so I have not a history with it)

  

 1) good manners to use it (manual is thick like a bible *)

 2) regular service (first in 10 hours)

 3) correct service methods and tools and usable OBD computers

 4) hi-quality liquids and spare components

  

 Typical Rotax (and other hi-tec) requirements, are not they?

  

 * they warn even to swim nearby when engine is on or iddle. Otherwise you  may loose your scalp into water intake. One pulling rope went there and ohboy it  was a hard task to take it away.

  

  

Seadoo, a big and very fast seadoo  



Endless coolant supply, and I wonder what their longevity/reliability  is?



Cheers,

Pete

a239



 Yes â€“ SeaDoo Speedster 150 (just one engine). Actually quite small one.  Weight 659 kg, length 4,67 m, beam 2,16 m, draft 0-30 cm (!).

  

 Fadec included + D.E.S.S. + full monitoring.

  

 Pete, there are two different coolant systems: one (closed) for the engine  and another (open fresh water) for the exhaust system.

  

 

Well, your last topic covered  the mundane subject of a flat tyre and that quickly developed into a full blown  sexual fantasy, I can only hazzard a guess that that you have developed a new  femail sex toy? 

(Can't wait to see where this  will go  

  

Nigel  

 Nigel, you are right. It is of course femail, fast and  alluring.

  

 My guess or my wish is this topic will soon develop â€œis it  (Rotax 1503 4-TEC) possible to install into plane /Europaâ€. Someone of you  genius people around the world is planning the installation possibility.  

  

 I start: the overall size is ok and the weight maybe also.  It is very compact, clean, hi-tec. Good brand name. It is planned to use with  full power or near. Revs are high but we have gearboxes, have not  we...

  

 Gentlemen  - start to write + and â€“ sides and all  that usual fighting...

  

 ***

 And, EMHC is not a pure fantacy only: for example tomorrow  morning we (my wife + I) are going to fly to Oland to Sweden for Europa Aircraft  â€“ Nord Fly-inn.

  

 When over the Lonely Baltic Sea with autopilot we will  have some fun before landing to Borgholm ESMB, I promise. That is one essential  part of flying delights, pleasures and joys...highly  recommendation.

  

 



Cheers, Raimo Toivio



[img]cid:6F12BC34A00D49F1B77DBA4F94384ED4(at)Asus[/img]

  

  http://www.youtube.com/watchL?v=RAt9oj9eI3I



 

 

Europa XS  Mono OH-XRT #417 

Updated flight hours /landings: 234,9  /467



37500  Lempaala

FINLAND



p +358-3-3753 777

f +358-3-3753 100



toivio(at)fly.to (toivio(at)fly.to)

www.rwm.fi 



 

  

  

  

    

  From: Paul McAllister (paul.the.aviator(at)gmail.com) 

 Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 4:07 AM

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: Re: Fuel Injection

  



 I'll  bite.  Jet Ski?



Do not archive



On Wednesday, August 3, 2011,  Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi (raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Hi  Martin



 This is slightly off-topic but I cannot  resist:



 How about this vehicle engined by Rotax?



  Fuel injected, water cooled, three cylinder, four cyckles, super charged with  intercooler, 255 HP (at) 8000 rpm, 1493 cm3, very sophisticated sound and with  extremely smooth endless power. Used to be inside GRP /composite structure. Very  fast.



 It is my new toy but what is it?



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kheindl(at)msn.com
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 4:00 am Post subject: Fuel Injection

Raimo,



If Rotax can produce such a high tech engine, then I bet you that they have already produced a similar aero engine to replace the 91x series, just keeping it a secret for the time being.

Karl





From: raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Fuel Injection

Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 13:49:37 +0300



      Pete, Nigel, Paul, Frans and all

  

  

 It is a JetBoat for four persons (attachment). That is only one in the  country like my Europa as well.

  

 About the reliability: they claim it is very good but there must be (so far  we have logged 6 hrs only so I have not a history with it)

  

 1) good manners to use it (manual is thick like a bible *)

 2) regular service (first in 10 hours)

 3) correct service methods and tools and usable OBD computers

 4) hi-quality liquids and spare components

  

 Typical Rotax (and other hi-tec) requirements, are not they?

  

 * they warn even to swim nearby when engine is on or iddle. Otherwise you  may loose your scalp into water intake. One pulling rope went there and ohboy it  was a hard task to take it away.

  

  

Seadoo, a big and very fast seadoo  



Endless coolant supply, and I wonder what their longevity/reliability  is?



Cheers,

Pete

a239



 Yes – SeaDoo Speedster 150 (just one engine). Actually quite small one.  Weight 659 kg, length 4,67 m, beam 2,16 m, draft 0-30 cm (!).

  

 Fadec included + D.E.S.S. + full monitoring.

  

 Pete, there are two different coolant systems: one (closed) for the engine  and another (open fresh water) for the exhaust system.

  

 Well, your last topic covered  the mundane subject of a flat tyre and that quickly developed into a full blown  sexual fantasy, I can only hazzard a guess that that you have developed a new  femail sex toy?

 (Can't wait to see where this  will go 

  

 Nigel

  

 Nigel, you are right. It is of course femail, fast and  alluring.

  

 My guess or my wish is this topic will soon develop “is it  (Rotax 1503 4-TEC) possible to install into plane /Europa”. Someone of you  genius people around the world is planning the installation possibility.  

  

 I start: the overall size is ok and the weight maybe also.  It is very compact, clean, hi-tec. Good brand name. It is planned to use with  full power or near. Revs are high but we have gearboxes, have not  we...

  

 Gentlemen  - start to write + and – sides and all  that usual fighting...

  

 ***

 And, EMHC is not a pure fantacy only: for example tomorrow  morning we (my wife + I) are going to fly to Oland to Sweden for Europa Aircraft  – Nord Fly-inn.

  

 When over the Lonely Baltic Sea with autopilot we will  have some fun before landing to Borgholm ESMB, I promise. That is one essential  part of flying delights, pleasures and joys...highly  recommendation.

  

 



Cheers, Raimo Toivio



[img]cid:6F12BC34A00D49F1B77DBA4F94384ED4(at)Asus[/img]

  

  http://www.youtube.com/watchL?v=RAt9oj9eI3I



 

 

Europa XS  Mono OH-XRT #417 

Updated flight hours /landings: 234,9  /467



37500  Lempaala

FINLAND



p +358-3-3753 777

f +358-3-3753 100



toivio(at)fly.to (toivio(at)fly.to)

www.rwm.fi 



 

  

  

  

    

  From: Paul McAllister (paul.the.aviator(at)gmail.com) 

 Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 4:07 AM

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: Re: Fuel Injection

  



 I'll  bite.  Jet Ski?



Do not archive



On Wednesday, August 3, 2011,  Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi (raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Hi  Martin



 This is slightly off-topic but I cannot  resist:



 How about this vehicle engined by Rotax?



  Fuel injected, water cooled, three cylinder, four cyckles, super charged with  intercooler, 255 HP (at) 8000 rpm, 1493 cm3, very sophisticated sound and with  extremely smooth endless power. Used to be inside GRP /composite structure. Very  fast.



 It is my new toy but what is it?



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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:37 am Post subject: Fuel injection

My guess ----  

CAN-AM, the name of a recent addition to the road machinery – a powerful 2-seat three-wheel motorcycle made by a subsidiary of Bombardier and Rotax-engined.  

Two wheels in front, girlfriend hanging on for dear life aft.  

Ferg    [quote][b]

raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:26 am Post subject: Fuel Injection

Karl,

  

 that is a good guess: boats are safe and good testbeds. And possible  failures are usually not so often fatal. Just fucken cases to be there overseas  with a quit engine and a hungry family.

  

 I assume I will get around 20 hrs during this summer. I will report  possible failures if you like. Notice; I am boating and flying always with full  power. The power lever is always full front pushed except when landing or  harbouring.

  

 (Now; The Professors, The Stage is yours: why this engine is /never/ good  behind the (Europa) aircrafts propellor?)

  

 Raimo

    

  From: Karl Heindl (kheindl(at)msn.com) 

 Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 2:56 PM

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: RE: Fuel Injection

  



  Raimo,   

 If Rotax can produce such a high tech engine, then I bet you that they have  already produced a similar aero engine to replace the 91x series, just keeping  it a secret for the time being.

  

 Karl



 

   From: raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re:  Fuel Injection

Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 13:49:37 +0300



    Pete, Nigel, Paul, Frans and all

  

  

 It is a JetBoat for four persons (attachment). That is only one in the  country like my Europa as well.

  

 About the reliability: they claim it is very good but there must be (so far  we have logged 6 hrs only so I have not a history with it)

  

 1) good manners to use it (manual is thick like a bible *)

 2) regular service (first in 10 hours)

 3) correct service methods and tools and usable OBD computers

 4) hi-quality liquids and spare components

  

 Typical Rotax (and other hi-tec) requirements, are not they?

  

 * they warn even to swim nearby when engine is on or iddle. Otherwise you  may loose your scalp into water intake. One pulling rope went there and ohboy it  was a hard task to take it away.

  

  

Seadoo, a big and very fast seadoo  



Endless coolant supply, and I wonder what their longevity/reliability  is?



Cheers,

Pete

a239



 Yes – SeaDoo Speedster 150 (just one engine). Actually quite small one.  Weight 659 kg, length 4,67 m, beam 2,16 m, draft 0-30 cm (!).

  

 Fadec included + D.E.S.S. + full monitoring.

  

 Pete, there are two different coolant systems: one (closed) for the engine  and another (open fresh water) for the exhaust system.

  

Well, your last  topic covered the mundane subject of a flat tyre and that quickly developed into  a full blown sexual fantasy, I can only hazzard a guess that that you have  developed a new femail sex toy?

(Can't wait to see where this will go  

 

Nigel

  

 Nigel, you are right. It is of course femail, fast and  alluring.

  

 My guess or my wish is this topic will soon develop “is it  (Rotax 1503 4-TEC) possible to install into plane /Europa”. Someone of you  genius people around the world is planning the installation possibility.  

  

 I start: the overall size is ok and the weight maybe also.  It is very compact, clean, hi-tec. Good brand name. It is planned to use with  full power or near. Revs are high but we have gearboxes, have not  we...

  

 Gentlemen  - start to write + and – sides and all  that usual fighting...

  

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 And, EMHC is not a pure fantacy only: for example tomorrow  morning we (my wife + I) are going to fly to Oland to Sweden for Europa Aircraft  – Nord Fly-inn.

  

 When over the Lonely Baltic Sea with autopilot we will  have some fun before landing to Borgholm ESMB, I promise. That is one essential  part of flying delights, pleasures and joys...highly  recommendation.

  

 



Cheers, Raimo Toivio



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  From: Paul McAllister (paul.the.aviator(at)gmail.com) 

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On Wednesday, August 3, 2011,  Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi (raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi)> wrote:

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		   Hi  Martin



 This is slightly off-topic but I cannot  resist:



 How about this vehicle engined by Rotax?



  Fuel injected, water cooled, three cylinder, four cyckles, super charged with  intercooler, 255 HP (at) 8000 rpm, 1493 cm3, very sophisticated sound and with  extremely smooth endless power. Used to be inside GRP /composite structure. Very  fast.



 It is my new toy but what is it?



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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:09 pm Post subject: Fuel Injection

Hi Raimo,

 I think this engine is "seadoo" Rotax or "skidoo"

  

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