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AtomicDog

Joined: 14 Dec 2010
Posts: 5
Location: Phoenix, Arizona

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:33 am Post subject: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ???

I am working on my firestar and ready to order my prop. However one of the options is for a spinner. My question is, are there any advantages to putting a spinner on a pusher type aircraft. I can see the aerodynamic advantages on a tractor aircraft, but I think these advantages are lost on a pusher.



I do like the looks of a prop with spinner however I am trying to keep the weight down.

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Dana

Joined: 13 Dec 2007
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Location: Connecticut, USA

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:09 am Post subject: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ???

At 12:33 PM 8/12/2011, AtomicDog wrote:

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 I am working on my firestar and ready to order my prop. However one of the options is for a spinner. My question is, are there any advantages to putting a spinner on a pusher type aircraft. I can see the aerodynamic advantages on a tractor aircraft, but I think these advantages are lost on a pusher.



 I do like the looks of a prop with spinner however I am trying to keep the weight down. 	


 A spinner can be as much of an advantage on a pusher as a tractor.  There was an article in Ultraflight magazine a year or so ago, a guy put one on his PPC... he reported 5-10% thrust increase, which translates into a similar improvement in rate of climb.



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byoungplumbing(at)gmail.c
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:24 am Post subject: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ???

I am working on my firestar and ready to order my prop. However one of the

options is for a spinner. My question is, are there any advantages to

putting a spinner on a pusher type aircraft. I can see the aerodynamic

advantages on a tractor aircraft, but I think these advantages are lost on a

pusher.



I do like the looks of a prop with spinner however I am trying to keep the

weight down.



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what little i have been schooled that in aerodynamics,,,,    at least at the

speeds we fly,  it doesn't make much difference in how you disturb or open

up the air space,,,  but it makes more difference in how you close it,

example:   for total drag reduction,  a blunt leading edge and tapered

trailing edge, is better or has less drag  than a  tapered leading edge and

a blunt trailing edge.    so the spinner would be better on a pusher than a

tractor,  for total drag reduction,,,  now as fer purdy,,,  that is a whole

different ball of wax.



boyd young

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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:29 am Post subject: Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ???

Here's a cheap spinner: a Motorcraft air filter.



If anybody is interested, I'll try and find out the part number, anyway it is plastic and easy to do.



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

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fs2kolb(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:13 am Post subject: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ???

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Here's a cheap spinner: a Motorcraft air filter.



If anybody is interested, I'll try and find out the part number, anyway it is 

plastic and easy to do.



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)



	
 

       

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Rex Rodebush

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 209
Location: Branson West area, Missouri

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:50 am Post subject: Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ???

When I ordered my Warp Drive prop I asked the guy (don't remember his name) about a spinner and he said it would be for looks only on a pusher.  But it seems to me there should be some drag reduction.  How much is the question??



Rex

Richard Pike

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Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ???

[quote="fs2kolb(at)aol.com"] 	  Quote: 	
		  Motorcraft Air Filter FA1632 	


  Hey! I bet that's why that particular picture had the tag it did!

(Facepalm)

Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

Mic

Joined: 22 Jul 2011
Posts: 12
Location: Ashland, Oregon

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ???

Good idea Richard.

I suspect from previous experience with boat hulls being designed for optimum benefit as the water passes aft of the greatest beam, that aircraft would experience a similar benefit as they move through the air.  A quick review of leading and trailing edge wing design would probably show this quite clearly.



I like the simple solution of this suggestion as well. After all it's not quite rocket science is it?

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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:38 am Post subject: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ???

I am sure that my wife has a plastic bowl of about the right shape and 

dimensions in the kitchen (Not an area of the house with which I am 

familiar)



Cheers



Pat

Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:55 am Post subject: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ???

Pat,

Do you mean to say that your wife does not allow you to enjoy cooking, not to mention the satisfaction derived from washing dishes? That is mean of her.

  

Do not archive.

Thom in Buffalo

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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:32 am Post subject: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ???

Morning Richard,

 I'm interested in a cheap spinner.Was thinking about a high priced one.cheap is better.

 Frank

  

  

  



 

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Here's a cheap spinner: a Motorcraft air filter.


If anybody is interested, I'll try and find out the part number, anyway it is 

plastic and easy to do.


Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)




	




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David d.

Joined: 04 Jul 2011
Posts: 60
Location: Fitzgerald Ga.

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:54 am Post subject: Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ???

Just walk thru walmart, dollar store etc..  There are plenty of plastic shapes that would make  a spinner.   But how is it to be attached to the hub?

And some of these plastics degrade in a year or so.



David d.

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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:09 am Post subject: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ???

Do you mean to say that your wife does not allow  you to enjoy cooking, not to mention the satisfaction derived from washing  dishes? >.

  

 Not only that. I make a point not to deprive her  of scrubbing the floors, cleaning the windows or carrying the logs in (and  chopping them)

  

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captainron1(at)cox.net
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:01 pm Post subject: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ???

Hey Pat does your wife have a sister? I may be interested in taking her off your hands if she hangs around your house and on your dime (quids), hard to find good broads in Arizona you know.



Ron (at) KFHU



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---- Pat Ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> wrote: 



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Do you mean to say that your wife does not allow you to enjoy cooking, not to mention the satisfaction derived from washing dishes? >.



Not only that. I make a point not to deprive her of scrubbing the floors, cleaning the windows or carrying the logs in (and chopping them)



Pat

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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:44 am Post subject: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ???

Hey Pat does your wife have a sister?

Hi Ron,



Yeah she does but I can`t let her go. Who would feed the stock and drive the 

mule?



Cheers



Pat

williamtsullivan(at)att.n
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:17 am Post subject: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ???

Ron- Where are you in Arizona?  

  

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 do not archive

  

                                          



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To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

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Hey Pat does your wife have a sister? I may be interested in taking her off your hands if she hangs around your house and on your dime (quids), hard to find good broads in Arizona you know.



Ron (at) KFHU



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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:27 am Post subject: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ???

You got a point there, it was a long shot.



Ron (at) KFHU



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Hey Pat does your wife have a sister?

Hi Ron,



Yeah she does but I can`t let her go. Who would feed the stock and drive the 

mule?



Cheers



Pat 

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captainron1(at)cox.net
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:34 am Post subject: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ???

I am in ( KFHU) Fort Huachuca / Sierra vista.



Ron (at) KFHU



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--- On Wed, 8/17/11, Ron (at) KFHU <captainron1(at)cox.net> wrote:

From: Ron (at) KFHU <captainron1(at)cox.net>

Subject: Re: Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ???

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Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2011, 10:59 PM




Hey Pat does your wife have a sister? I may be interested in taking her off your hands if she hangs around your house and on your dime (quids), hard to find good broads in Arizona you know.



Ron (at) KFHU



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Do you mean to say that your wife does not allow you to enjoy cooking, not to mention the satisfaction derived from washing dishes? >.



Not only that. I make a point not to deprive her of scrubbing the floors, cleaning the windows or carrying the logs in (and chopping them)



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