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Matt Dralle
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 Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:46 pm Post subject: Warning - New Bose Line Power Cables Only 3' Long! |
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Hi Paul,
I'm referring to the in-line power cables that go from the Intercom to the bulkhead jack where you would plug the headset in. The cables from the headset to the control module to the jack are fine length. Its just the panel mount jack and cable assembly with power that are too short. 3' to be exact. I had them in first RV-8 and not having batteries was very nice, since the headphones got their power from the jack. The jacks is a special 6-pin radial unit so there's no way to re-solder new wires onto it. The only option is to splice the 3-lead speaker wire, the 2-wire microphone wires, the power lead, and the 3 separate ground leads. That's a lot of splices. And breaking the shield on the headphones and microphones in the middle is a good way to get noise.
I recovered the old jacks and cables from the wrecked RV-8 fuselage and they are cut to 5 feet long. I really wanted to put new jacks and cables in, though. Three foot cables for a hidden, bulkhead mounting installation is just a complete boner on the part of Bose. I am really anxious to hear their response to my email to them. I just can't think of any valid reason for making them so short. They are pigtails and the assumption is that you will cut them to length. Why wouldn't they make them 6 or 10 feet long just in case? Ridiculous.
Matt
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At 07:21 PM 8/13/2011 Saturday, you wrote:
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Hi Matt,
I am using the battery powered Bose headset in my Zodiac and just love it. I also used it in my last (leased) plane, and moving from one plane to another was as simple as unplugging and replugging it in. It uses standard aircraft phone plugs, so if more distance was needed (I have plenty to reach my center console) I guess it would be easy to make or buy extension cords. You have to change the batteries from time to time, but they last a long time.
I don't really understand the 3 foot cord thing. Is this the connection from the headset to the aircraft or from the aircraft plug to the radio or other electronics on the instrument panel? I figure you need long wires from the audio equipment to the headset plug but not so much from the headset plug to the headset. Of course I am just guessing rather than swearing at poor results.
Maybe your issues with the Bose product would all be solved if you went to the battery powered units.
Paul
Camas, WA
On 8/13/2011 6:12 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
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>Just a heads up to those installing or planning on installing Bose X or A20 Active NR headsets using the inline power jacks. Specifically these units:
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>http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/headphones/aviation_headsets/accessories/headset_installkit_acc.jsp
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>They now come with only 3 feet of cable! Three years ago they came with 6 feet of cable and I thought at the time that 6 feet seemed a little short. Now 3 feet? What idiot penny pincher in Bose marketing decided "three feet should be plenty". Here's quote from the Bose web page above: "Three-foot wiring harness with six pin female connector allows for *placement in locations throughout aircraft*." WTF? On what planet will a 3-foot hardness reach "locations throughout the aircraft". That's just plain stupid.
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>If these were third rate, el-cheapo headsets, I'd write it off to penny pinching, but for a>$1000 product that you then have to spend an additional $32 for an installation cable, cheaping out on the cable length is just simply unacceptable.
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>I have the jacks mounted in the center of the RV-8, and the cables don't even reach to the righthand control console. What does Bose expect people to do; splice the wire? That's ridiculous! What would somebody installing in the back seats of a 4 or 6 place airplane do?
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>Of course I wrote a scathing email to Bose Support just now. I'm sure they will write back with "for most of our customers, three feet is sufficient".
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>Given this direction within Bose, I'd definitely consider the new Sennheiser S1 if I had to do it over again. Additionally, the Sennheiser's Bluetooth supports the A2DP, AVRCP STEREO profiles. The Bose A20's Bluetooth does NOT support stereo. It must have been the same marketing moron that dictated 3' cables that decided not to include stereo Bluetooth profiles. Unbelievable.
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>Matt
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| Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:21 pm Post subject: Warning - New Bose Line Power Cables Only 3' Long! |
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Hi Matt,
I understand now. It does seem like excessive economy in a very high
priced product line. I suppose 3 feet would be long enough for many
installations - the ones where the jack goes on or near the instrument
panel. Still, there are other installations - for example behind the
seats - where longer leads would be nice.
I am unhappy with Bose and their soul mates Garmin too. They both have
"Predatory" sales practices where they don't allow their dealers to
compete with each other over price. That means we must pay full price
for any of their products no matter which dealer we use. It stinks of
monopoly practices. Unfortunately, it is perfectly legal and the only
reason they get away with it is they sell the best products available on
the market so we are stuck paying their "Fondest Wish" prices.
Perhaps you can pay them a few extra dollars and get longer leads?
Paul
On 8/13/2011 7:40 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
| Quote: | Hi Paul,
I'm referring to the in-line power cables that go from the Intercom to the bulkhead jack where you would plug the headset in. The cables from the headset to the control module to the jack are fine length. Its just the panel mount jack and cable assembly with power that are too short. 3' to be exact. I had them in first RV-8 and not having batteries was very nice, since the headphones got their power from the jack. The jacks is a special 6-pin radial unit so there's no way to re-solder new wires onto it. The only option is to splice the 3-lead speaker wire, the 2-wire microphone wires, the power lead, and the 3 separate ground leads. That's a lot of splices. And breaking the shield on the headphones and microphones in the middle is a good way to get noise.
I recovered the old jacks and cables from the wrecked RV-8 fuselage and they are cut to 5 feet long. I really wanted to put new jacks and cables in, though. Three foot cables for a hidden, bulkhead mounting installation is just a complete boner on the part of Bose. I am really anxious to hear their response to my email to them. I just can't think of any valid reason for making them so short. They are pigtails and the assumption is that you will cut them to length. Why wouldn't they make them 6 or 10 feet long just in case? Ridiculous.
Matt
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