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Dennis Thate

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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:04 pm Post subject: Aging out

I attended our local EAA chapter today and volunteered to help out with the annual Fly-In breakfast. This well established group of all men in their 70's & 80's is struggling to bring in new memberships. There are simply no younger members to take over, even in this small University city with a well established college aviation program.



I fear the end of what we love, 'sport aviation' could be fading away .

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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:39 pm Post subject: Aging out

Just read this post and had a thought for you . . . 

I would suggest you meet with the University instructors and ask them to propose to the young people your dilemma and ask them for suggestions to help out. When dealing with my teen grandchildren I listen to their music, enjoy their antics, and so on just to be around them. We get small moments of one on one to solve minute problems but not 100% of their time. I appreciate all the moments I get no matter how small just so they allow me to be with them. You may also want to sit in on their classes, get to know them, let them get to know you, listen closely to them, try their advice, participate in their experiences and so on. It's their world now and they can't screw it up anymore than we've screwed it up so far.   



The reason I decided to respond to this was I came to the same solution with the debt crisis. We are talking about trillions of dollars. We had about 500 congress people looking at it and they had no clue what to do. Most of them can't take care of their own business or even pay their child support yet we ask them to fix what they broke.  What did they do? They handed it to twelve idiots. Now tell me how long it will take 12 idiots to analyze 1 trillion dollars let alone several to find out where there is waste, fraud and abuse? They act as though it's all in one area marked "Waste Fraud and Abuse". Nope it's scattered in all places, not easy to identify. So what's the solution?  I think it should be divided up by categories and given to our school children to sift and sort and make recommendations to look at deeper. What an experience for them and what can they learn while fixing America hands on. They could start by making lists of questions of "what is this and that for?" to submit to congress for answers. In doing that they will begin to see the incompetence we deal with and contribute to every day. Oh and by the way, this project will have so many angles to it, they would be exempt from school be volunteering for it. What better education and creativity . . .  our business leader, our political leaders and our religious leaders have all failed this. There is no way 12,000 people can analyze 1 trillion dollars let alone 12 hard headed, biased, opinionated people who were the problem to begin with. When these 12 people get done, nothing will be accomplished except they will line their own pockets and be much more wealthy.  So I say what do we have to lose, let every child, in every grade, in every school in every town in every state see what a mess we have left them. They would still go to school but have a reprieve from normal school which isn't very good anyway.  I know . . . it won't happen . . .we'll keep doing the same old thing and keep expecting different results.

 



In your case with EAA and young people, I hope you give it a try and let them take the lead. No telling what these kids today can do. If you don't believe me, watch some youtube. They are amazing.  I would also go grab some delinquents and off them a chance to "help" you out. You never know how they might respond . . . . 

 



Good Luck

Bruce 



On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Dennis Thate <retroman(at)frontier.com (retroman(at)frontier.com)> wrote:

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 I attended our local EAA chapter today and volunteered to help out with the annual Fly-In breakfast. This well established group of all men in their 70's & 80's is struggling to bring in new memberships. There are simply no younger members to take over, even in this small University city with a well established college aviation program.

  

 I fear the end of what we love, 'sport aviation' could be fading away .

 

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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: Aging out

Here is the Aviation University instructors Mission Statement



"The aviation program mission is to prepare students for responsible positions in the air transportation industry, including airline operations and management, corporate aviation, airport management, aircraft maintenance, air traffic control, and government operations. The goal of the program is to equip students with exceptional knowledge and skills in aviation and management in order to be highly successful in the rapidly changing and competitive field of aviation."

Ever since 911 the airport has been fenced off to the general public. No more penny a pound rides, or kids washing airplanes in exchange for flying lessons.

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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:17 pm Post subject: Aging out

That does explain the problem doesn't it?  



Say does anyone know of a KOLB for sale?  Single or dual will work. 





On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Dennis Thate <retroman(at)frontier.com (retroman(at)frontier.com)> wrote:

 [quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com (retroman(at)frontier.com)>

  

 Here is the Aviation University instructors Mission Statement

 

 

 

 "The aviation program mission is to prepare students for responsible positions in the air transportation industry, including airline operations and management, corporate aviation, airport management, aircraft maintenance, air traffic control, and government operations. The goal of the program is to equip students with exceptional knowledge and skills in aviation and management in order to be highly successful in the rapidly changing and competitive field of aviation."

  

 

 Ever since 911 the airport has been fenced off to the general public. No more penny a pound rides, or kids washing airplanes in exchange for flying lessons.

 

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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:11 am Post subject: Aging out

Friend has MkIII with 912S in South Carolina.  Well kept.  Always  hangared.

  

  In a message dated 8/14/2011 11:17:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  gpabruce(at)gmail.com writes:

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		     Say does anyone know of a KOLB for sale?  Single or dual will    work. 

   



	


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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:06 pm Post subject: Aging out

Its the same  at my airport.



Ron (at) Kfhu



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---- Dennis Thate <retroman(at)frontier.com> wrote: 



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I attended our local EAA chapter today and volunteered to help out with the annual Fly-In breakfast. This well established group of all men in their 70's & 80's is struggling to bring in new memberships. There are simply no younger members to take over, even in this small University city with a well established college aviation program.



I fear the end of what we love, 'sport aviation' could be fading away .



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 Faith is believing what you know ain't so.    

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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:22 am Post subject: Aging out

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Greetings Kolb List,   



   



I chose to put off responding to the issue regarding "Aging Out". The reason is I was preparing for my final exam with the FAA examiner. Yesterday was the day I have been waiting for...   I PASSED!!!  I have to admit, I am proud and elated. Never the less, the reason I am responding to the list regarding my success is not to boast, only to demonstrate, "mature persons" can still become a certified pilot. It is possible to, "teach an old dog a new trick".  If I would have stuck with my first lesson through to finish, I would have been certified in '73. (You do the math.)    



   



Boyd Young, (Kolb Mlll N1225Y) was a great supporter throughout this experience. (Publicly) THANKS BOYD.  



 I had the pleasure of having dinner John Hauck when he visited <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Utah last month. His encouragement was also appreciated. 

  

I would encourage younger persons, or mature persons to begin the pleasure of learning to fly, regardless of their age. 

  



   



Safe Flying,    



 Kurt Imig  



Firestar ll  

 

Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 19:37:13 -0700

Subject: Re: Aging out

From: gpabruce(at)gmail.com

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com



Just read this post and had a thought for you . . . 

I would suggest you meet with the University instructors and ask them to propose to the young people your dilemma and ask them for suggestions to help out. When dealing with my teen grandchildren I listen to their music, enjoy their antics, and so on just to be around them. We get small moments of one on one to solve minute problems but not 100% of their time. I appreciate all the moments I get no matter how small just so they allow me to be with them. You may also want to sit in on their classes, get to know them, let them get to know you, listen closely to them, try their advice, participate in their experiences and so on. It's their world now and they can't screw it up anymore than we've screwed it up so far.   



The reason I decided to respond to this was I came to the same solution with the debt crisis. We are talking about trillions of dollars. We had about 500 congress people looking at it and they had no clue what to do. Most of them can't take care of their own business or even pay their child support yet we ask them to fix what they broke.  What did they do? They handed it to twelve idiots. Now tell me how long it will take 12 idiots to analyze 1 trillion dollars let alone several to find out where there is waste, fraud and abuse? They act as though it's all in one area marked "Waste Fraud and Abuse". Nope it's scattered in all places, not easy to identify. So what's the solution?  I think it should be divided up by categories and given to our school children to sift and sort and make recommendations to look at deeper. What an experience for them and what can they learn while fixing America hands on. They could start by making lists of questions of "what is this and that for?" to submit to congress for answers. In doing that they will begin to see the incompetence we deal with and contribute to every day. Oh and by the way, this project will have so many angles to it, they would be exempt from school be volunteering for it. What better education and creativity . . .  our business leader, our political leaders and our religious leaders have all failed this. There is no way 12,000 people can analyze 1 trillion dollars let alone 12 hard headed, biased, opinionated people who were the problem to begin with. When these 12 people get done, nothing will be accomplished except they will line their own pockets and be much more wealthy.  So I say what do we have to lose, let every child, in every grade, in every school in every town in every state see what a mess we have left them. They would still go to school but have a reprieve from normal school which isn't very good anyway.  I know . . . it won't happen . . .we'll keep doing the same old thing and keep expecting different results.

 



In your case with EAA and young people, I hope you give it a try and let them take the lead. No telling what these kids today can do. If you don't believe me, watch some youtube. They are amazing.  I would also go grab some delinquents and off them a chance to "help" you out. You never know how they might respond . . . . 

 



Good Luck

Bruce 



On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Dennis Thate <retroman(at)frontier.com (retroman(at)frontier.com)> wrote:

 [quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com (retroman(at)frontier.com)>

  

 I attended our local EAA chapter today and volunteered to help out with the annual Fly-In breakfast. This well established group of all men in their 70's & 80's is struggling to bring in new memberships. There are simply no younger members to take over, even in this small University city with a well established college aviation program.

  

 I fear the end of what we love, 'sport aviation' could be fading away .

 

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 Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society.  The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute.  ~Gil Stern

 

  Faith is believing what you know ain't so.

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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:34 am Post subject: Re: Aging out

It will take more films like this to inspire young men & women into aviation,  rarely do you see any aviation films today.

Red Tails,  a special effects remake of the Tuskegee Airmen



http://www.buzzfocus.com/2011/08/18/first-look-red-tails-trailer/

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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:24 pm Post subject: Aging out

It is possible to, "teach an old dog a new trick".  

 Kurt Imig

 >>>>>>>>>>>>>

  

 woof   woof     that is dog for  congratulations.

  

 an old dog would  have known that without explanation...    but for the rest of  you.  LOL

  

 call me    lets go fly.

  

  boyd  young

 mkiii    utah

  



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