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MJKTuck(at)cs.com
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:14 pm Post subject: Electric winch or hand crank?

Hi Folks,



I think I asked this question before but I couldn't have kept the responses.



Someone recommended a electric powered winch to pull my monowheel onto 

its trailer. I've read some reviews on Amazon but there are 

diametrically opposed views on how good a job they do. The main 

complaint being how slow they are or not very well built.



Ideally I would want one with a remote but I can't seem to find one with 

a wireless remote, some have a wired remote but the cable seems too 

short as I want to hold onto the wingtip to keep it level while the 

winch does it's thing.



Alternatively I could keep it simple and use a hand crank - but the 

wings will need to be kept level. I have made some attachments which 

help some but once the tipping momentum gets going on side or the other 

my hinged spring legs give way. You guys that use a trailer all time 

must be using something. It takes me a good 30 mins to get everything up 

on the trailer and seemingly a lot of physical strength - not good when 

temps are in the 80s and 90s.



Also, when cranking what is the best thing to attach the cable to? Cable 

round the axle on the side opposite to the brake came to mind. Not sure 

I would want to pull on the tailwheel although that seems an obvious choice.



Any thoughts would be appreciated.



Not much flying this summer - we have had 45 days of 100+ F temps in 

Wichita so far this year. The record is 50 days. Today was 106 deg F. Phew!



Regards,

Martin Tuck

N152MT

Wichita, Kansas

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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:04 am Post subject: Electric winch or hand crank?

Martin,



I use the Harbor Freight electric.  Works fine...



Jeff - Baby Blue



On 8/24/2011 7:10 PM, Martin Tuck wrote:

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 Hi Folks,



 I think I asked this question before but I couldn't have kept the

 responses.



 Someone recommended a electric powered winch to pull my monowheel onto

 its trailer. I've read some reviews on Amazon but there are

 diametrically opposed views on how good a job they do. The main

 complaint being how slow they are or not very well built.



 Ideally I would want one with a remote but I can't seem to find one with

 a wireless remote, some have a wired remote but the cable seems too

 short as I want to hold onto the wingtip to keep it level while the

 winch does it's thing.



 Alternatively I could keep it simple and use a hand crank - but the

 wings will need to be kept level. I have made some attachments which

 help some but once the tipping momentum gets going on side or the other

 my hinged spring legs give way. You guys that use a trailer all time

 must be using something. It takes me a good 30 mins to get everything up

 on the trailer and seemingly a lot of physical strength - not good when

 temps are in the 80s and 90s.



 Also, when cranking what is the best thing to attach the cable to? Cable

 round the axle on the side opposite to the brake came to mind. Not sure

 I would want to pull on the tailwheel although that seems an obvious

 choice.



 Any thoughts would be appreciated.



 Not much flying this summer - we have had 45 days of 100+ F temps in

 Wichita so far this year. The record is 50 days. Today was 106 deg F. Phew!



 Regards,

 Martin Tuck

 N152MT

 Wichita, Kansas

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raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:27 am Post subject: Electric winch or hand crank?

Hi Martin



Attached is my solution (how to pull my Mono to 

the hanger which locates on the small hill).

As you can see, I trust to my tailwheel.

Max pull force which is needed when pulling it 

into hanger is 40 kg which is not a problem for a 

sturdy structure of Europa´s tail wheel.



The winch itself is actually an engine hoist which 

should be mounted to the roof.

It is capable enough to pull/lift 150 kgs = 330 

lbs.

I did an adapter and bolted the hoist via adapter 

to the ground /asphalt.

Remote controller is wired  (a long cable, 12 

metres /36 feet so I can well check all the 

clearances when pulling her).

There are two limit switches so it is safe to use.

It would be easy to make it wireless controlled 

but that is not necessary in my case.



When using it I feel myself to be more an operator 

than a labour-pull-man.



If I were you, I would watch ATV (All Terrain 

Vehicle) winches. Some of them are very strong and 

operates straight with 12 VDC.

So it is easy to install into to the trailer.

Cheers, Raimo Toivio





Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417



Updated flight hours /landings:



37500 Lempaala

FINLAND



p +358-3-3753 777

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toivio(at)fly.to

www.rwm.fi





-----Alkuperäinen viesti----- 

From: Martin Tuck

Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:10 AM

To: Europa Builders Forum

Subject: Electric winch or hand 

crank?




<MJKTuck(at)cs.com>



Hi Folks,



I think I asked this question before but I 

couldn't have kept the responses.



Someone recommended a electric powered winch to 

pull my monowheel onto

its trailer. I've read some reviews on Amazon but 

there are

diametrically opposed views on how good a job they 

do. The main

complaint being how slow they are or not very well 

built.



Ideally I would want one with a remote but I can't 

seem to find one with

a wireless remote, some have a wired remote but 

the cable seems too

short as I want to hold onto the wingtip to keep 

it level while the

winch does it's thing.



Alternatively I could keep it simple and use a 

hand crank - but the

wings will need to be kept level. I have made some 

attachments which

help some but once the tipping momentum gets going 

on side or the other

my hinged spring legs give way. You guys that use 

a trailer all time

must be using something. It takes me a good 30 

mins to get everything up

on the trailer and seemingly a lot of physical 

strength - not good when

temps are in the 80s and 90s.



Also, when cranking what is the best thing to 

attach the cable to? Cable

round the axle on the side opposite to the brake 

came to mind. Not sure

I would want to pull on the tailwheel although 

that seems an obvious choice.



Any thoughts would be appreciated.



Not much flying this summer - we have had 45 days 

of 100+ F temps in

Wichita so far this year. The record is 50 days. 

Today was 106 deg F. Phew!



Regards,

Martin Tuck

N152MT

Wichita, Kansas



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hansjd(at)online.no
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:40 am Post subject: Electric winch or hand crank?

Hi Martin.



A little late, but here goes: I use a hand crank to pull the airplane onto 

the trailer. The winch was pulled from an obsolete boat trailer and mounted 

just in front of the tailwheel rail - close to the attach-handle. Made a 

short piece of wire with an eye at both ends to fit around the protruding 

ends of the tailwheel axle. I hook the winch wire on to this small loop and 

simply crank the airplane home. Works a treat.



Cheers

Hans



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MJKTuck(at)cs.com
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:58 pm Post subject: Electric winch or hand crank?

Hi Hans,



I couple of other e-mails also indicate that it is safe to pull on the 

tail-wheel axle so I think that is how I will go. You mentioned you have 

a hand crank - which has you at the 'working end'. How do you stabilize 

the wings if no-one is there to help?



Martin



On 8/30/2011 2:38 PM, Hans J. Danielsen wrote:

[quote] 



 Hi Martin.



 A little late, but here goes: I use a hand crank to pull the airplane 

 onto the trailer. The winch was pulled from an obsolete boat trailer 

 and mounted just in front of the tailwheel rail - close to the 

 attach-handle. Made a short piece of wire with an eye at both ends to 

 fit around the protruding ends of the tailwheel axle. I hook the winch 

 wire on to this small loop and simply crank the airplane home. Works a 

 treat.



 Cheers

 Hans



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hansjd(at)online.no
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:23 am Post subject: Electric winch or hand crank?

Martin:



The few times I've pulled it onto the trailer I have had good assistance 

from bystanders. You could make a couple of ramps to sturdy the 

outriggers/wings during this prosess. To measure the hight lift the 

tailwheel onto the rail, wings level, measure the distance between outrigger 

wheel and ground, add the small hight up to the mainweel platform and you 

have the ramp hight. These ramps are also  great when removing the first 

wing as it sturdies the rest of the assembly without too much rocking 

sideways. (But you do need help to pull the wings and place them on the 

trailer anyway!)



Remember, the main landing gear frame is locked to sturdy the fuselage when 

the ramp is pulled up and enclosing the wheel, but for transport I've always 

used ropes to tie the fuselage sideways to the trailer structure. Otherwise, 

the main landing gear frame will be subjected to a lot of strain from 

sideways rocking of the fuselage.



Hope this helps.



Hans



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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:41 am Post subject: Electric winch or hand crank?

Hans

is right. The sring in the main gear allows the fuselage to bounce around on the road so it really needs to be tied down at the front. I used a long luggage strap over the fuselage just in front of the windscreen which worked well and prevented the rocking that Hans noted.

Graham



From: Hans J. Danielsen <hansjd(at)online.no>

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Wednesday, 31 August, 2011 16:20:37

Subject: Re: Electric winch or hand crank?



--> Europa-List message posted by: "Hans J. Danielsen" <hansjd(at)online.no (hansjd(at)online.no)>



Martin:



The few times I've pulled it onto the trailer I have had good assistance from bystanders. You could make a couple of ramps to sturdy the outriggers/wings during this prosess. To measure the hight lift the tailwheel onto the rail, wings level, measure the distance between outrigger wheel and ground, add the small hight up to the mainweel platform and you have the ramp hight. These ramps are also  great when removing the first wing as it sturdies the rest of the assembly without too much rocking sideways. (But you do need help to pull the wings and place them on the trailer anyway!)



Remember, the main landing gear frame is locked to sturdy the fuselage when the ramp is pulled up and  enclosing the wheel, but for transport I've always used ropes to tie the fuselage sideways to the trailer structure. Otherwise, the main landing gear frame will be subjected to a lot of strain from sideways rocking of the fuselage.



Hope this helps.



Hans



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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:57 am Post subject: Electric winch or hand crank?

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 My fabricator makes from 1/2 to 3/4 inch nylon a set of tapered  spacers that drop in the carrier and hold the tire very snug to prevent side to  side leaning.  The wheel bearings and wheel are very strong so I expect it  to hold the aircraft.  A six ply sidewall on a 7 inch tire flexes very  little.  Only a small amount of taper is required to get the tire wedged  in.  Then the trailer ramp/arm is raised to hold the gear channel in  position and if that is a bit loose, shims of phenolic were added to get a snug  fit.  

  

 Here at Custom Flight we use ratchet straps to pull the gear leg into the  trailer ramp hard and will modify the two adjustment arms if they do not bring  the ramp up snug.  Then we strap the wheel down hard to the trailer  with crossed straps.

  

 To prevent rocking back and forth if the tire loses pressure, we use bolts  and a fake spar through the fuselage to hold the fuselage from leaning too  far.  Yes the wing will get in the way, so we run a strong strap from the  trailers metal brace horizontally and hook down into those hooks.   Miserable, tight and dirty to get between the fuselage and wing but  doable.  I have also seen folks use a strap over the fuselage, but I am not  keen on that as the gear bounces so if you pull down tight, pad it well and  check often.

 Photo's attached of an aircraft that did not have the main wheel  strapped:

  

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 Remember the gear takes the load, any fuselage strapping puts force on the  fuselage or other attachments.  So as soon as the fuselage begins to lean,  stop and readdress.  I pulled a mono kit with no engine from Utah without  any difficulty except trailer tires and the foam wing cradles.  If your  trailer still has the foam inserts in the wing rack, replace them with strapping  or fiberglass and pad them as they are notoriously bad about breaking down over  time.  

  

 As for pulling the mono backwards, we have a tow bar set up similar to  Raimo's.  

  

 For mono trailer loading and unloading, we just pick up the tail and move  the plane.  Lift the tail over the main wheel cradle and get it in the  track and added a rope winch to the trailer to pull it aft.  Easy to do  with a young strong assistant.  Be sure to strap the tailwheel  down. 

  

 I have a 22 foot flat bed for my trigear and an electric winch that hooks  to either the tow bar or around my nose gear pivot shaft housing.  One guy  can load the fuselage.  Wings are still hoisted.  Flip up wheel pants  allow for a quick strapping using a cable over the brake disk and three  ratchet straps (one for each cable and one for the nose gear leg,   holds the plane marvelously secure.

  

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 Bud

  

  

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