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ces308

Joined: 03 Nov 2008
Posts: 317
Location: houghton lake ,mi

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:04 pm Post subject: New Video...

Hi all ! 



I took up a reporter from our local paper the other day and recorded the flight....if you have nothing else to do,take a look !



 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nEUAc6R_ic



chris ambrose

M3X/Jabiru    215.0 hrs

N327CS

Dennis Thate

Joined: 18 Nov 2010
Posts: 362

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:21 am Post subject: Re: New Video...

Will she write a story about this flight ? ...if so, maybe you can post it here on the forum.

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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:50 am Post subject: New Video...

Chris,

 Good for our sport and also a great way to meet cute  reporters!

 G.Aman MK3C Jabiru 2200A 638hrs

    

  

     

  

    

     

  

     

  

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ces308

Joined: 03 Nov 2008
Posts: 317
Location: houghton lake ,mi

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:36 am Post subject: Re: New Video...

Gary -Dennis ..-all...



She saw another guys Firestar up here and started asking questions and he pointed her in my direction  as he has never flown his yet.When she came into the hangar and saw the airplane,the first thing she said was ,"How does it feel when you are flying in this ?" Well,what else could I say but,lets go find out ! lol  She loved the ride ! She is putting the story together and when it comes out I will post it...!



A side note...I have offered to take him up to get an idea of how these things fly,but we haven't hooked up yet....



chris ambrose

M3X/Jabiru A-2200  

N327CS

Ralph B

Joined: 14 Apr 2007
Posts: 367
Location: Mound Minnesota

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:46 am Post subject: Re: New Video...

Good video Chris. You might try that audio cord to plug into your camera to reduce noise when talking to your passenger. It worked well for me.



Here's the link again:



http://www.mypilotstore.com/MyPilotStore/sep/1978



Ralph B

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Kolb Kolbra 912uls
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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:49 am Post subject: New Video...

Nice flight.



Is that a check list I see before me?  What is on it?



Pat

ces308

Joined: 03 Nov 2008
Posts: 317
Location: houghton lake ,mi

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:31 am Post subject: Re: New Video...

Hi Ralph....My camera does not have an audio in...      I wish it did...and you never know what YouTube will let you play on the videos...so I don't even try anymore....



Pat...Yes I do have a check list....I will try and post it for you...



This is the check list ...not the V speed reminder right in front of me...the check list is on a string off to the side for easy ref...Feel free any one to use this check list ..or adjust it to your plane....



chris ambrose

M3X/Jabiru

N327CS

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ces308

Joined: 03 Nov 2008
Posts: 317
Location: houghton lake ,mi

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:35 am Post subject: Re: New Video...

Side note....Jabiru engines should be warmed to 80*  F  ...I think thats 59* c on the list....I have it changed on my list...

chris ambrose

pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:18 pm Post subject: New Video...

This is the checklist>>



Thanks Chris .



I may adapt that.

 I do not have a separate fuel pump for instance and with the trim right 

forward I would struggle to get off the ground. I use about half. I trim 

almost right forward for cruise.



Incidentally. what cruise speed do you get at 2800?



Pat

Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:31 pm Post subject: New Video...

Pat, and Chris, and Gary (and any other Jabiru Kolbers).

What prop are you running? I suspect mine is longer than most Kolbers. Mine is Tennessee Wood Prop 64" diameter x 31" pitch, as stamped on the hub, but the pitch measures closer to 32". Not same airframe as you guys but is same/similar engine and probably similar cruise speeds.

  

Thom in Buffalo

  



On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Pat Ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com (pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:

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 This is the checklist>>

 

 Thanks Chris .

 

 I may adapt that.

 I do not have a separate fuel pump for instance and with the trim right forward I would struggle to get off the ground. I use about half. I trim almost right forward for cruise.

 

 Incidentally. what cruise speed do you get at 2800?

 

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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:37 pm Post subject: New Video...

Side note....Jabiru engines should be warmed to 80*  F  ...I think thats 59* 

c on the list....I have it changed on my list...

chris ambrose

just thinking out loud..   59 c should be about 135 to 140 f



rotax wants the 912 to have 120 f oil temps before full power,,,, for a air 

cool jab,  135 to  140 sounds bout right.\\

boyd young

mkiii utah



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ces308

Joined: 03 Nov 2008
Posts: 317
Location: houghton lake ,mi

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: New Video...

ok.....



This is wheree I got the 59* from....



4.3 Warming Up Period, Ground Test

ï‚· Start the warming up period with the engine running at 1200 RPM. Continue at 2000 RPM depending on ambient temperature, until oil temperature reaches 15Â°C (59Â°F).



I make sure it's at least 80* before I start heading out the runway..



And Thom...My prop is a Sensenich  58" x 44 pitch...



chris ambrose

Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:21 pm Post subject: New Video...

Fellow Jabiru flyers. Following is what I found in the manual.



  4.3	Warming Up Period, Ground Test 

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Start the warming up period with the engine running at 1200 RPM. Continue at 2000 RPM depending on ambient temperature, until oil temperature reaches 15°C (59°F).   

Check the two ignition circuits at 2000 RPM. Note: - RPM with only one ignition should not drop by more than 100 RPM. 

DO NOT apply full power until CHT reaches 100°C (212°F)





  SO.....Warm up at 1200 rpm until OIL temp is 15C or 59F.

..........Defer take-off power until CHT is 100C or 212

  



I hope this clears it up.





  Thom



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 Side note....Jabiru engines should be warmed to 80*  F  ...I think thats 59* c on the list....I have it changed on my list...

 

 

 chris ambrose

 

 

 just thinking out loud..   59 c should be about 135 to 140 f

 

 rotax wants the 912 to have 120 f oil temps before full power,,,, for a air cool jab,  135 to  140 sounds bout right.\\

 boyd young

 mkiii utah

 

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Thom Riddle

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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:26 pm Post subject: New Video...

Chris,

Thanks for the prop info. Based on your videos I'm sure yours is quieter than mine. At same rpm my tip speed is 10% higher than yours.

  

Thom

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On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 4:58 PM, ces308 <ces308(at)ldaco.com (ces308(at)ldaco.com)> wrote:

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 ok.....

 

 This is wheree I got the 59* from....

 

 4.3 Warming Up Period, Ground Test

 ï‚· Start the warming up period with the engine running at 1200 RPM. Continue at 2000 RPM depending on ambient temperature, until oil temperature reaches 15Â°C (59Â°F).

 

 I make sure it's at least 80* before I start heading out the runway..

 

 And Thom...My prop is a Sensenich Â 58" x 44 pitch...

 

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ces308

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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: New Video...

LOL....you'll never convince anyone up here that this thing is quieter than anything !!!  I think it was FLYING  or AOPA  mag has a interview with Burt Rutan and he says the noise factor was the reason he stopped designing pusher aircraft....

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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:59 pm Post subject: New Video...

Chris, 

 We need to do that more often.See someone who has interest? take em' for a ride.

 G.Aman

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Thom Riddle

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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:01 pm Post subject: New Video...

Can't argue with that. The Titan Tornado I used to own, was very noisy

too. The outstanding visibility we get with pushers has to cost

something, I guess.



Thom

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On Sep 2, 2011, at 5:43 PM, "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> wrote:



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 LOL....you'll never convince anyone up here that this thing is quieter than anything !!!  I think it was FLYING  or AOPA  mag has a interview with Burt Rutan and he says the noise factor was the reason he stopped designing pusher aircraft....

 chris ambrose





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351286#351286

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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:21 pm Post subject: New Video...

Mine is pretty noisy too. although folks on the ground say it is quiet.  Maybe just polite neighbors.

I wonder what the physics is behind the noise factor, tractor vs pusher?

BB,  MkIII, suzuki

On 2, Sep 2011, at 7:59 PM, Thom Riddle wrote:

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 Can't argue with that. The Titan Tornado I used to own, was very noisy

 too. The outstanding visibility we get with pushers has to cost

 something, I guess.

 Thom

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 On Sep 2, 2011, at 5:43 PM, "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> wrote:

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Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:46 pm Post subject: New Video...

This is pure speculation, but I suspect that the engine not being

cowled, the turbulent air hitting the prop, and the proximity of the

engine to our heads with little or no noise insulation/absorption

between them all contribute to the ambient perceived noise in the

cabin.  Other than the Tornado and several Kolbs, the only other

pusher I've flown was a Challenger, which I have flown from front and

back seats. The Challenger was noisy, especially in the back seat, but

I don't think it was as bad as the others I've flown. The Challenger

engine is mostly behind the fuselage thus it present less area to

disrupt air flow and disturb the air entering the prop. I think this

may have something to do with the perceived lower noise level.

Thom

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On Sep 2, 2011, at 8:22 PM, robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> wrote:

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 Mine is pretty noisy too. although folks on the ground say it is quiet.  Maybe just polite neighbors.

 I wonder what the physics is behind the noise factor, tractor vs pusher?

 BB,  MkIII, suzuki

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John Hauck

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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:27 pm Post subject: New Video...

I wonder what the physics is behind the noise factor, tractor vs pusher?



BB,  MkIII, suzuki

 



Bob B/Folks:



Don't know what the physics is behind the noise, but the tractor runs in

clean, undisturbed air, and the pusher is trying to operate in very

disturbed air.



Difference between night and day between a 912S with a 72" Warp Drive on a

pusher or a tractor.  The tractor seems to whisper along, while the Kolb is

raising Hell.



john h

mkIII

Blanding, UT

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