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bakerocb



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Location: FAIRFAX VA

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:36 am    Post subject: static check Reply with quote

9/12/2011

Hello Corky, Now you have asked a new question and it has two parts to it.

1) The first part of your question is: "...can i as IA PERFORM STATIC
CHECKS......"

The answer to that part of the question is YES, and the details of that YES
answer are found in my previously posted answer of Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 9:43
AM.

2) The second part of your question is: ".... can i as IA PERFORM ALTIMETER
CERTS."

By "ALTIMETER CERTS" I believe that you must be referring to ALL of the
tests required by 14 CFR 91.411 (a). ALL of those required tests (with the
exception of the static pressure system tests and inspections) must be
conducted by the one of the organizations listed in 91.411 (b). See here:

"(b) The tests required by paragraph (a) of this section must be conducted
by-
(1) The manufacturer** of the airplane, or helicopter, on which the tests
and inspections are to be performed;
(2) A certificated repair station properly equipped to perform those
functions and holding-
(i) An instrument rating, Class I;
(ii) A limited instrument rating appropriate to the make and model of
appliance to be tested;
(iii) A limited rating appropriate to the test to be performed;
(iv) An airframe rating appropriate to the airplane, or helicopter, to be
tested;"

Since a normal A&P Mechanic, even one possessing IA (Inspection Authority),
does not meet any one of the qualifications listed above then he CAN NOT
PERFORM all of the 91.411 (a) required tests on either type certificated or
experimental amateur built aircraft.##

Please let me know if you have any further questions.

'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to
gather and understand knowledge."

**PS: Every once in a while the builder of an experimental amateur built
aircraft decides that he is the "manufacturer" of that aircraft and
therefore under paragraph 91.411 (b) (1) is permitted to perform the tests
required by 91.411 (a). That is not correct -- he is not considered the
"manufacturer" of his experimental amateur built aircraft by the FAA.
##PS: It is very unfortunate that the tests required every two years by 14
CFR 91.411 and 91.413 are routinely referred to as ".... pitot static system
checks ...". That is a very misleading and confusing term for the tests that
are required.

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From: "corky childs" <corkyabc(at)charter.net>
To: <bakerocb(at)cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: static check
my question is can i as IA PERFORM STATIC CHECKS AND PERFORM ALTIMETER
CERTS
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bakerocb



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:41 am    Post subject: static check Reply with quote

9/11/2011

Hello Corky, I'd like to respond by cutting and pasting a previous posting
of mine. Let's start with a look at 14 CFR 91.411:
"91.411 Altimeter system and altitude reporting equipment tests and
inspections.

(a) No person may operate an airplane, or helicopter, in controlled airspace
under IFR unless-**

(2) Except for the use of system drain and alternate static pressure valves,
following any opening and closing of the static pressure system, that system
has been tested and inspected and found to comply with paragraph (a),
appendix E, of part 43 of this chapter; and....."

"(b) The tests required by paragraph (a) of this section must be conducted
by-

{several different qualification requirements listed including:}

(3) A certificated mechanic with an airframe rating (static pressure system
tests and inspections only)."##

Being a certificated A&P mechanic I turned to Appendix E, of part 43 which
reads in part:

"Appendix E to Part 43-Altimeter System Test and Inspection

Each person performing the altimeter system tests and inspections required
by §91.411 shall comply with the following:

(a) Static pressure system:

(2) Determine that leakage is within the tolerances established in §23.1325
or §25.1325, whichever is applicable."

So I then needed to go on to PART 23--AIRWORTHINESS STANDARDS: NORMAL,
UTILITY, ACROBATIC, AND COMMUTER CATEGORY AIRPLANES to find out how to
perform the test and what the leakage tolerances were.

Here is what 23.1325 says in part:

"23.1325 Static pressure system.

(b) If a static pressure system is necessary for the functioning of
instruments, systems, or devices, it must comply with the provisions of
paragraphs (b)(1) through (3) of this section.

(2) A proof test must be conducted to demonstrate the integrity of the
static pressure system in the following manner:

(i) Unpressurized airplanes. Evacuate the static pressure system to a
pressure differential of approximately 1 inch of mercury or to a reading on
the altimeter, 1,000 feet above the aircraft elevation at the time of the
test. Without additional pumping for a period of 1 minute, the loss of
indicated altitude must not exceed 100 feet on the altimeter."

So how to evacuate the static pressure system? After plugging up the two
static ports I opened the system drain connection in my static system and
plumbed in this MixMizer syringe:

http://www.hopkinsmfg.com/10111.html

This device readily evacuated the system and the static system passed the
leak test. After closing up the system drain connection and making the
required log book entry I was good to go.

What did we learn from this exercise?

A) For some mandatory regulatory requirements there are some provisions of
14 CFR that do apply to our experimental amateur built aircraft even if at
first glance some of them (Part 43 and Part 23 for example) do not appear to
apply.

B) Even though anyone can work on, repair, modify, inspect, and maintain an
amateur built experimental aircraft there are certain items that require
action by specially qualified individuals. The annual condition inspection
is one item requiring performance by either the holder of the Repairman
Certificate for that specific aircraft or the holder of an A&P certificate.
Another is the requirement for either the holder of an Airframe certificate
or one of the other entities identified in 91.411 (b) in order to conduct a
regulatory acceptable static system check.

Please let me know if you have any further questions. Thanks,

'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
understand knowledge."

**PS: Note that while this section pertains to "..operate (ing) ... in
controlled airspace under IFR ...." a careful reading of the FAR's (see
sections 91.215 and 91.413) will show that a VFR only airplane with an
integrated altitude encoder and transponder system (which is just about
everyone) will also require a static system check under certain
circumstances.

##PS: Note that being the builder and designated repairman for this specific
experimental amateur built airplane did not qualify me to perform the static
system test and inspection.

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From: corky childs
To: bakerocb(at)cox.net
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 4:09 PM
Subject: static check
if i had a ap and ia what else would i need to static test experminital anc
certified aircraft thanks corky


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