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1. 12:45 AM - Re: UHMW Tape - possible source of concern (John
Ciolino)
2. 08:12 AM - Re: UHMW Tape - possible source of concern (David
Cudney)
3. 08:14 AM - UHMW tape alternative - MUCH BETTER! (Vince
Frazier)
4. 10:06 AM - Re: UHMW tape alternative - MUCH BETTER! (Darrell
Reiley)
5. 10:19 AM - Re: UHMW Tape - possible source of concern (Robin
Marks)
6. 11:03 AM - Re: UHMW tape alternative - MUCH BETTER! (John
Jessen)
7. 11:15 AM - Re: UHMW tape alternative - MUCH BETTER! (Al &
Gail Herron)
8. 12:11 PM - Re: UHMW tape alternative - MUCH BETTER!
(dmaib(at)me.com)
9. 05:42 PM - Re: Re: UHMW tape alternative - MUCH BETTER!
(HCRV6(at)comcast.net)
10. 05:51 PM - Re: UHMW tape alternative - MUCH BETTER!
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________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
Time: 12:45:55 AM PST US
From: "John Ciolino" <JohnCiolino(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: RE: UHMW Tape - possible source of concern
Try www.flyboyaccessories.com. Look under "Heat, Sound, Paint and
Trim".
The product he sells (I think) is the 3M protective tape used to
protect
auto bottom and nose panels from rocks and road grit. Best thing is
that it
is applied wet with a water/alcohol mixture so it can be repositioned
it you
don't get it on straight on the first try. The literature also says
it can
be easily removed within the first 5 years.
John Ciolino
RV-8
N894Y
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Al & Gail
Herron
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:53 AM
Subject: RE: UHMW Tape - possible source of concern
My UMHW tape was installed in late 2008/early 2009, probably was
ordered
from Vans's no earlier than 2005. I was very disappointed in how
poorly it
held up, it is doing exactly as you describe, extensively cracked and
in
some places pieces have come off. So far I've just been keeping an
eye on
it, although I really should strip it off and replace it with
something
better. I'm not too concerned about it jamming the flaps, although it
certainly is a theoretical possibility. For one thing, it's so broken
up
that no individual piece would be more than an inch or two wide. I
think it
would be more likely to catch the edge of the upper wing skin and just
pop
off. Definitely near the top of my squawk list though.
Anyone know of a better brand of UMHW, or another alternative? I did
see
mention of stainless steel tape in one response.
Al in Hangtown CA
RV-7A, 175 hrs
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
vanremog(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 5:21 PM
Subject: UHMW Tape - possible source of concern
As one of the earlier adopters of the 3" wide UHMW tape as a
protective
strip (as opposed to the older Stainless Steel tape) when placed on
the
curved leading edge of the flaps, I wanted to share a possible cause
of
concern with all of you. Today I was working on my car and needed a
wide
piece of tape for an application. I immediately thought of the roll of
UHMW
left from my building days back in the late '90s. In the process of
unreeling a length of this tape for use, I found that it broke on the
liner
like glass. I went thru the entire roll and it has all deteriorated to
the
point of unusability. The roll has been stored in a closed box for the
past
14 yrs, so it never has seen UV exposure. It breaks up in a zillion
shards
when flexed and so it all ended up going into the waste can. Mine was
bought
from US Plastics but I would assume that all UHMW used in thin
sections may
have similar characteristics with age.
Since the flap use application on the plane is fairly stable, I think
it may
still be okay if left undisturbed. But if it ever gets to flaking off,
I
would assume that it could potentially jam the mechanism upon
retraction,
since the clearance to the wing skin is tight and the sharp edge it
presents
could catch in the break. I would encourage you all to be aware of
this
possibility and act accordingly.
If it ever starts coming off in pieces, I'll do the tedious complete
removal
process from both flaps and go back to the old tried and true
Stainless
Steel tape, since it doesn't degrade like this. Either that or I'll
place
another longer lasting strip material on the underside of the top skin
where
the flap curved edge wipes.
YMMV
-GV RV-6A flying 985hrs
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
http://forums.matronics.com
< - List Contribution Web Site -
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
Time: 08:12:54 AM PST US
From: David Cudney <yenduc(at)me.com>
Subject: Re: UHMW Tape - possible source of concern
I agree 3M tape works fine. Just a note put it along the underside of
the wing where the flap rubs rather than on the flaps. No unsightly
yellowing tape (after a few years) that way.
good luck
dave
On Oct 22, 2011, at 12:38 AM, John Ciolino wrote:
> Try www.flyboyaccessories.com. Look under =93Heat, Sound, Paint and
> Trim=94. The product he sells (I think) is the 3M protective tape
> used to protect auto bottom and nose panels from rocks and road
> grit. Best thing is that it is applied wet with a water/alcohol
> mixture so it can be repositioned it you don=92t get it on straight
> on
> the first try. The literature also says it can be easily removed
> within the first 5 years.
>
> John Ciolino
> RV-8
> N894Y
>
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Al & Gail Herron
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:53 AM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: UHMW Tape - possible source of concern
>
> My UMHW tape was installed in late 2008/early 2009, probably was
> ordered from Vans=92s no earlier than 2005. I was very disappointed
> in how poorly it held up, it is doing exactly as you describe,
> extensively cracked and in some places pieces have come off. So far
> I=92ve just been keeping an eye on it, although I really should strip
> it off and replace it with something better. I=92m not too concerned
> about it jamming the flaps, although it certainly is a theoretical
> possibility. For one thing, it=92s so broken up that no individual
> piece would be more than an inch or two wide. I think it would be
> more likely to catch the edge of the upper wing skin and just pop
> off. Definitely near the top of my squawk list though.
>
> Anyone know of a better brand of UMHW, or another alternative? I
> did see mention of stainless steel tape in one response.
>
> Al in Hangtown CA
> RV-7A, 175 hrs
>
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of vanremog(at)aol.com
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 5:21 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: UHMW Tape - possible source of concern
>
> As one of the earlier adopters of the 3" wide UHMW tape as a
> protective strip (as opposed to the older Stainless Steel tape) when
> placed on the curved leading edge of the flaps, I wanted to share a
> possible cause of concern with all of you. Today I was working on my
> car and needed a wide piece of tape for an application. I
> immediately thought of the roll of UHMW left from my building days
> back in the late '90s. In the process of unreeling a length of this
> tape for use, I found that it broke on the liner like glass. I went
> thru the entire roll and it has all deteriorated to the point of
> unusability. The roll has been stored in a closed box for the past
> 14 yrs, so it never has seen UV exposure. It breaks up in a zillion
> shards when flexed and so it all ended up going into the waste can.
> Mine was bought from US Plastics but I would assume that all UHMW
> used in thin sections may have similar characteristics with age.
>
> Since the flap use application on the plane is fairly stable, I
> think it may still be okay if left undisturbed. But if it ever gets
> to flaking off, I would assume that it could potentially jam the
> mechanism upon retraction, since the clearance to the wing skin is
> tight and the sharp edge it presents could catch in the break. I
> would encourage you all to be aware of this possibility and act
> accordingly.
>
> If it ever starts coming off in pieces, I'll do the tedious complete
> removal process from both flaps and go back to the old tried and
> true Stainless Steel tape, since it doesn't degrade like this.
> Either that or I'll place another longer lasting strip material on
> the underside of the top skin where the flap curved edge wipes.
>
> YMMV
>
> -GV RV-6A flying 985hrs
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
> < - List Contribution Web Site -
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
Time: 08:14:20 AM PST US
Subject: UHMW tape alternative - MUCH BETTER!
From: Vince Frazier <vincefrazier(at)gmail.com>
I never liked the UHMW tape because it rapidly yellows. Years ago I
found that 3M paint protection film was infinitely better for this
job. It doesn't yellow, stretches around mild compound curves easily,
and can be removed WITHOUT leaving any residue whatsoever up to 5+
years later WITHOUT harming the paint beneath.
I liked it so much that I immediately began selling it on our web
store. Here's the link:
http://www.flyboyaccessories.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1
It has uses all over your plane, under fairings, under canopy
ducktails, anywhere that your paint is subject to wear or scratching.
Thanks,
Vince Frazier
Flyboy Accessories
3963 Caborn Road North
Mount Vernon, IN 47620
812-464-1839
1-888-8FLYBOY
1-888-835-9269
www.flyboyaccessories.com
________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
Time: 10:06:52 AM PST US
From: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: UHMW tape alternative - MUCH BETTER!
Yes Sir... Vince sells the GOOD STUFF!-  =0A-=0ADarrell=0A=0AFrom:
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rv-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sa
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alternative
zier(at)gmail.com>=0A=0AI never liked the UHMW tape because it rapidly
yellows
.- Years ago I=0Afound that 3M paint protection film was infinitely
bette
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curv
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up t
o 5+=0Ayears later WITHOUT harming the paint beneath.=0A=0AI liked it
so mu
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li
nk:=0A=0Ahttp://www.flyboyaccessories.com/store/index.php?main_page=index
&cPath=1=0A=0AIt has uses all over your plane, under fairings, under
cano
py=0Aducktails, anywhere that your paint is subject to wear or
scratching.
=0A=0AThanks,=0A=0AVince Frazier=0AFlyboy Accessories=0A3963 Caborn
Road No
rth=0AMount Vernon, IN
47620=0A812-464-1839=0A1-888-8FLYBOY=0A1-888-835-926
=========================0A
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________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
Time: 10:19:45 AM PST US
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: RE: UHMW Tape - possible source of concern
GV,
We recently removed my 3 year old UHMW tape from my RV-10 flaps due to
unsi
ghtly pealing in the corner. It was not difficult to remove with heat
but a
lso probably because it was not many years old. We have since replaced
it w
ith SS tape. Hopefully the SS will hold up but I have my concerns.
What are people recommending for placing on the underside of the wing
skin to prevent/minimize abrasion of the SS Tape or flap? I have heard
people us
ing the "loop" side of Velcro as the buffer but I am not sure it's
ideal du
e to its thickness. Any suggestions out there?
Thanks,
Robin
[Description: C:\Users\Robin\Desktop\Stainless tape 001.jpg]
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matro
nics.com] On Behalf Of vanremog(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 5:21 PM
Subject: UHMW Tape - possible source of concern
As one of the earlier adopters of the 3" wide UHMW tape as a
protective str
ip (as opposed to the older Stainless Steel tape) when placed on the
curved
leading edge of the flaps, I wanted to share a possible cause of
concern w
ith all of you. Today I was working on my car and needed a wide piece
of ta
pe for an application. I immediately thought of the roll of UHMW left
from my building days back in the late '90s. In the process of
unreeling a lengt
h of this tape for use, I found that it broke on the liner like glass.
I we
nt thru the entire roll and it has all deteriorated to the point of
unusabi
lity. The roll has been stored in a closed box for the past 14 yrs, so
it n
ever has seen UV exposure. It breaks up in a zillion shards when
flexed and
so it all ended up going into the waste can. Mine was bought from US
Plast
ics but I would assume that all UHMW used in thin sections may have
similar
characteristics with age.
Since the flap use application on the plane is fairly stable, I think
it ma
y still be okay if left undisturbed. But if it ever gets to flaking
off, I would assume that it could potentially jam the mechanism upon
retraction, s
ince the clearance to the wing skin is tight and the sharp edge it
presents
could catch in the break. I would encourage you all to be aware of
this po
ssibility and act accordingly.
If it ever starts coming off in pieces, I'll do the tedious complete
remova
l process from both flaps and go back to the old tried and true
Stainless S
teel tape, since it doesn't degrade like this. Either that or I'll
place an
other longer lasting strip material on the underside of the top skin
where the flap curved edge wipes.
YMMV
-GV RV-6A flying 985hrs
________________________________
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________________________________ Message 6
_____________________________________
Time: 11:03:05 AM PST US
From: John Jessen <n212pj(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: UHMW tape alternative - MUCH BETTER!
What to use to get the #%*+ UHMW tape off?
... by phone
On Oct 22, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Darrell Reiley
<lifeofreiley2003(at)yahoo.com> wro
te:
> Yes Sir... Vince sells the GOOD STUFF!
> Darrell
>
> From: Vince Frazier <vincefrazier(at)gmail.com>
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:00 AM
> Subject: UHMW tape alternative - MUCH BETTER!
> I never liked the UHMW tape because it rapidly yellows. Years ago I
> found that 3M paint protection film was infinitely better for this
> job. It doesn't yellow, stretches around mild compound curves
> easily,
> and can be removed WITHOUT leaving any residue whatsoever up to 5+
> years later WITHOUT harming the paint beneath.
>
> I liked it so much that I immediately began selling it on our web
> store. Here's the link:
>
>
> http://www.flyboyaccessories.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=
1
>
> It has uses all over your plane, under fairings, under canopy
> ducktails, anywhere that your paint is subject to wear or scratching.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Vince Frazier
> Flyboy Accessories
> 3963 Caborn Road North
> Mount Vernon, IN 47620
> 812-464-1839
> 1-888-8FLYBOY
> 1-888-835-9269
> www.flyboy - The RV-List Email bsp;
>
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________________________________ Message 7
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Time: 11:15:31 AM PST US
From: "Al & Gail Herron" <herronpvf(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: UHMW tape alternative - MUCH BETTER!
Thanks for that! I've added you to my resource list.
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