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Dennis Thate

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:05 am Post subject: Fuel Tender Ideas please

I found this cast metal rotary pump at a farm store for about $129. It's both a siphon and a pump. One hundred complete turns produces about ten gallons of gas. I plan to carry this in a small trailer with gas hose and use  

this as my fuel shuttle.



Show me something better and I'll buy it !

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rickofudall

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:43 am Post subject: Fuel Tender Ideas please

Dennis, you didn't add a link or anything about the pump. Do make sure it is rated for gasoline. Saving a few bucks is great until you balance them against the bills from the burn ward of a hospital.



 Rick Girard



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 I found this cast metal rotary pump at a farm store for about $129. It's both a siphon and a pump. One hundred complete turns produces about ten gallons of gas. I plan to carry this in a small trailer with gas hose and use

  this as my fuel shuttle.

 

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lcottrell

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:58 am Post subject: Fuel Tender Ideas please

I wasn't aware that mechanical pumps had to be rated for  anything. He did send a picture.

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Thom Riddle

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:01 am Post subject: Fuel Tender Ideas please

That looks a lot like the one I bought from Harbor Freight for way less than half that price. It worked for fuel for awhile but since the seals were not compatible with gasoline, they gave up after several months of use. I then replaced it with the following pump with seals rated for gasoline and other petroleum products. It has been working fine for over a year.   



Oops. Could not find the one I bought online anymore. It is a lever type and easy to operate with 8 pumps per gallon, or one pint per pump.

  



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 I found this cast metal rotary pump at a farm store for about $129. It's both a siphon and a pump. One hundred complete turns produces about ten gallons of gas. I plan to carry this in a small trailer with gas hose and use

   this as my fuel shuttle.

 

 Show me something better and I'll buy it !

 

 

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Dennis Thate

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:20 am Post subject: Re: Fuel Tender Ideas please

Here's the link



http://www.chdist.com/displayproductdetail.do?skuSearch=7434600&mr:referralID=5f5e1d01-fd8f-11e0-9866-001b2166becc&baseItemOID=94443&itemGroupOID=94443&sku=7434600&cid=cse_next



"For petroleum products like gasoline, diesel fuel, kerosene, and light oils."

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ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:33 am Post subject: Fuel Tender Ideas please

In the aftermath of Katrina, we used 

     http://www.harborfreight.com/barrel-pump-45743.html

     to pump avgas from our field's tank to run our generators.

     

     Most pumps that are reasonably priced, both electric &     mechanical, specify 'no gasoline', but I suspect that for the hand     cranked pumps it is driven more by the legal department than any     real danger.

     

     Charlie

     

     On 10/30/2011 11:53 AM, Thom Riddle wrote:     [quote]That looks a lot         like the one I bought from Harbor Freight for way less than half         that price. It worked for fuel for awhile but since the seals         were not compatible with gasoline, they gave up after several         months of use. I then replaced it with the following pump with         seals rated for gasoline and other petroleum products. It has         been working fine for over a year.                 

         

       Oops. Could not find           the one I bought online anymore. It is a lever type and easy           to operate with 8 pumps per gallon, or one pint per pump.

       

         

       Thom in Buffalo

       

         

       

         

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             I found this cast metal rotary pump at a farm store for             about $129. It's both a siphon and a pump. One hundred             complete turns produces about ten gallons of gas. I plan to             carry this in a small trailer with gas hose and use

             this as my fuel shuttle.

             

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lcottrell

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:59 am Post subject: Fuel Tender Ideas please

I would imagine that most of the seal problems are due to  Ethanol, not necessarily gas itself.

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Dana

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:59 am Post subject: Fuel Tender Ideas please

At 12:05 PM 10/30/2011, Dennis Thate wrote:

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 I found this cast metal rotary pump at a farm store for about $129. It's both a siphon and a pump. One hundred complete turns produces about ten gallons of gas. I plan to carry this in a small trailer with gas hose and use  

 this as my fuel shuttle.



 Show me something better and I'll buy it ! 	


 I added a hose and dip tube to my existing 5 gallon plastic can.  A foot pump (made for filling air mattresses) puts a small amount of pressure (~5 psi, which is about the same pressure as when a gas can sits in the sunlight and bulges out) in the can which pushes fuel up the tube to my tank.  A brass ball valve on the end lets me shut it off when it's full: <http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v486/flyparafan/Kolb/fuel%20filler/?start=0>



 A commercially available version of the system is at http://www.portablefuelsystems.com/ (not the expensive alcohol separator, their fueling system I think costs about the same as your pump



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zeprep251(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:40 pm Post subject: Fuel Tender Ideas please

20 gal drum with Carter electric fuel pump-12volt off the race car, with 20ft of 3/8 neoprene gas line with a phony plastic nozzle.Must pump about 2.5 gal per min.There is a good picture of the set up on oh2fly's trailer web page.The pump was about 80.00,can't remember what the line cost,but it beats cranking big time.

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel Tender Ideas please

 	  zeprep251(at)aol.com wrote: 	
		  20 gal drum with Carter electric fuel pump-12volt off the race car, with 20ft of 3/8 neoprene gas line with a phony plastic nozzle.Must pump about 2.5 gal per min.There is a good picture of the set up on oh2fly's trailer web page.The pump was about 80.00,can't remember what the line cost,but it beats cranking big time.

   G.Aman

    

         

    

         

    

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Maybe I'm being overly cautious, I want to stay away from any chance of sparks;  battery / electric of any kind... I have a farm background and like simplicity. 



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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:56 am Post subject: Fuel Tender Ideas please

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		   20 gal drum with Carter electric fuel pump-12volt off the race car, with 

 20ft of 3/8 neoprene>


	


Unless it is imperative that you keep a large amount of fuel on site this 

seems  like overkill.



I would never have fuel around any electrics it was possible to avoid it.

You are only talking about transferring 10 galls max and even then only if 

your tank is completely empty.. How long can it take ?



If I need it I pick up a jerrycan  (20 litres) of fuel at the garage on the 

way to the strip. I have a cheap plastic pump with a stiff plastic hose of 

about 1 inch dia. on the inlet side. This can be cut to length to suit your 

container. There is a flexible plastic hose of similar bore on the output 

side. This snaps into a Terry Clip fixed to one of the internal struts 

behind the seats and leads the end of the hose into the strainer funnel and 

into the tank.

The pumping action is provided by two cylinders which fit loosely inside 

each other. One has a small handle attached and this is pulled and pushed 

over a distance of about 2 inches.

If you sit on the jerrycan to hold it steady, as I do, it presents an 

interesting picture as you are vibrating the pump somewhere in the region of 

your groin.

Transfer 10 gall. takes around 5 minutes. The whole thing weighs only  a few 

ounces and travels easily on the cockpit floor. This enables me to transfer 

fuel from the spare jerrycan I carry in the passengers seat if I land away 

from any facilities.



For what its worth



Pat

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:20 am Post subject: Fuel Tender Ideas please

Dennis,

 Absolutely.I'm sure the one horsepower model shown in that video will generate no sparks.I also enclosed the pump switch in an airtight plastic box.,can't be too careful!  Never thought of a pump system that runs on hay.  G.Aman

  

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:39 am Post subject: Fuel Tender Ideas please

Pat,

 I burn 100LL av fuel so having a supply near the strip is handy,but I still have to transport it by truck from the airport in jerrycans,usually 30gal at a time once or twice a year.Spilling fuel in the cabin of the MK3 was always a concern.Auto fuel stinks and remains that way a long time if you spill it on upholstered areas.100LL does neither.I used to slip a 5ft long piece of 3/4 heater hose over the nozzle of the gas can ,stick it in the fuel tank and lift the can.

    I considered an electric motor for the Kolb,but all those extension cords-----

    G>A.

  

     

  

     

  

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Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:43 am Post subject: Fuel Tender Ideas please

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		   20 gal drum with Carter electric fuel pump-12volt off the race car, with 

 20ft of 3/8 neoprene>


	


Unless it is imperative that you keep a large amount of fuel on site this 

seems  like overkill.

For what its worth



Pat 

 

Patrick L/Gang:



Depends on how much you fly and/or the fuel capacity of your tank.  I can

knock out a 20 gal tank, then run back to the store and get another 5 gal to

finish topping off.  I am not by myself, flying with more than 5 or 10 gal

capacity.



I fuel from 5 gal cans with a 6 foot section of 7/8" ID vinyl tubing stuck

on the end of the gas can spout.  Takes a minute or two to transfer 5 gal,

and my fuel filler is located on the top of the center section.  I do have

to hold the gas can over my head during the fueling process.  One of these

days I probably will not be able to do that.  At that time I will start

filling the 5 gal cans with 2.5 gal.



I usually carry this 6 foot piece of vinyl hose in aircraft on long cross

country flights.  Occasionally, I'll have a chance to obtain mogas and

refuel from a gas can.  Now that 100LL is averaging 5.50 a gal, I'll

probably be making a more concerted effort to burn mogas and use my Alabama

credit card (6' siphon hose).



If you think a 20 gal fuel tank is an overkill, you should see the refuel

set up at the Rock House. Larry has a couple two or three 55 gal drums with

high capacity electric fuel pump and nozzle, and a 15 or 20 gal mobile tank

with manual pump.  He needs every bit of that capacity, especially when a

bunch of us show up and do a lot of flying.



I'm still gun shy about using fuel from gas cans at places I am not familiar

with.  The two times I had engine failures with the 912 engine, both were

the result of contaminated fuel acquired from unreliable sources with

contaminated fuel cans.



john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama - 33F this morning.  ;-(

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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:03 pm Post subject: Fuel Tender Ideas please

should see the refuel

set up at the Rock House. Larry has a couple two or three 55 gal drums with

high capacity electric fuel pump and nozzle, and a 15 or 20 gal mobile tank 

with manual pump. >>



If I was running an airfield miles from anywhere I would have something like 

that too.



I am talking about 1 plane with a garage half a mile away. As for holding a 

fuel can above my head. Forget it.



Cheers



Pat

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:08 pm Post subject: Fuel Tender Ideas please

Spilling fuel in the cabin of the MK3  >>

  

 Gary,

 I have a large hole with an insert to close it off,  cut into the plastic side window of the Xtra just where the filler on the tank  is. Careful not to spill fuel on the Lexan though.

  

 Easier to refuel through the door which is what I  usually do. It does stink though if you spill some.

  

 Pat

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