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fklein(at)orcasonline.com
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 Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:57 pm Post subject: GPS... |
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Some time ago I bought a "Gizmo" receptacle for a Garmin 396/496 which
I'd confidently installed on my central sub panel...alas, it appears
that Garmin no longer is making those models.
I'd been attracted to its size, versatility, functionality, relatively
low cost, and its seemingly wide spread use and satisfaction by Europa
buddies.
So in today's market, I'm wondering if anyone would venture an opinion
on currently manufactured GPS units as to whether or not they offer
significant additional functionality...(?).
My anticipated set up should serve for day/night VFR flight only, and
will be based around a Dynon Skyview EFIS (7" screen) w/ 2.25" dia.
back up ALT & ASI gauges. Panel will have a separate EMS from RWS
which integrates with the RWS ECU which manages my MPEFI'ed
aftermarket Sube-based powerplant.
Skyview allows for split screen PFD/moving map...though Dynon promises
future software updates for a fully functioning moving map sectional
chart display, currently the moving map only shows terrain and heading.
Although I like the idea of an always-on, separate screen, my hunch is
that a stand-alone GPS will just be serving as back up once I have the
Skyview moving map update. If that's so, I'm tempted to find a used
396/496.
Comments or advice most welcome,
Fred
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jimpuglise(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:09 pm Post subject: GPS... |
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Fred-
I have the Air Gizmos receptacle and 396 in my plane. I have seen all sorts of 396 / 496 Garmins for sale through Sportys and other pilot shops. In fact, they appear to be real steals now. I paid over $ 2,000 for mine and I think I have seen them for 5-600.
Jim Puglise
From: "Fred Klein" <fklein(at)orcasonline.com>
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 5:53:53 PM
Subject: GPS...
--> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com>
Some time ago I bought a "Gizmo" receptacle for a Garmin 396/496 which
I'd confidently installed on my central sub panel...alas, it appears
that Garmin no longer is making those models.
I'd been attracted to its size, versatility, functionality, relatively
low cost, and its seemingly wide spread use and satisfaction by Europa
buddies.
So in today's market, I'm wondering if anyone would venture an opinion
on currently manufactured GPS units as to whether or not they offer
significant additional functionality...(?).
My anticipated set up should serve for day/night VFR flight only, and
will be based around a Dynon Skyview EFIS (7" screen) w/ 2.25" dia.
back up ALT & ASI gauges. Panel will have a separate EMS from RWS
which integrates with the RWS ECU which manages my MPEFI'ed
aftermarket Sube-based powerplant.
Skyview allows for split screen PFD/moving map...though Dynon promises
future software updates for a fully functioning moving map sectional
chart display, currently the moving map only shows terrain and heading.
Although I like the idea of an always-on, separate screen, my hunch is
that a stand-alone GPS will just be serving as back up once I have the
Skyview moving map update. If that's so, I'm tempted to find a used
396/496.
Comments or advice most welcomenbsp; -Matt D========================
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rlborger(at)mac.com
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:33 pm Post subject: GPS... |
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Fred,
I agree with Jim. There are plenty of used (and a few new) 396 & 496 out there and they can be excellent bargains. For a real good price, I picked up a used 496 last year expecting just a 496, wall charger and carrying case. What came was a 496, spare rod antenna, little square antenna with window mount, XM weather antenna, bean bag mount, wall charger, auto charger with speaker, carrying case and a couple other pieces I can't remember off the top of my head right now. I had to put a new battery in it, but still, WHAT A BARGAIN!
I bought Air Gizmo panel mount & XM antenna mount that allows the antenna to be moved from plane to plane (the XM Antenna is what you register with XM to get weather) so I can use the unit in my Europa or my Toot (should it ever be finished) and have weather in both without extra costs.
Do some searching and see what you can come up with.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
Europa XS, Short Wing, Intercooled Rotax 914
rlborger(at)mac.com
Cel: 817-992-1117
On Dec 3, 2011, at 4:53 PM, Fred Klein wrote:
| Quote: | --> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com (fklein(at)orcasonline.com)>
Some time ago I bought a "Gizmo" receptacle for a Garmin 396/496 which I'd confidently installed on my central sub panel...alas, it appears that Garmin no longer is making those models.
I'd been attracted to its size, versatility, functionality, relatively low cost, and its seemingly wide spread use and satisfaction by Europa buddies.
So in today's market, I'm wondering if anyone would venture an opinion on currently manufactured GPS units as to whether or not they offer significant additional functionality...(?).
My anticipated set up should serve for day/night VFR flight only, and will be based around a Dynon Skyview EFIS (7" screen) w/ 2.25" dia. back up ALT & ASI gauges. Panel will have a separate EMS from RWS which integrates with the RWS ECU which manages my MPEFI'ed aftermarket Sube-based powerplant.
Skyview allows for split screen PFD/moving map...though Dynon promises future software updates for a fully functioning moving map sectional chart display, currently the moving map only shows terrain and heading.
Although I like the idea of an always-on, separate screen, my hunch is that a stand-alone GPS will just be serving as back up once I have the Skyview moving map update. If that's so, I'm tempted to find a used 396/496.
Comments or advice most welcome,
Fred |
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klinefelter.kevin(at)gmai
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:51 pm Post subject: GPS... |
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Hi Fred,
I have a 496 which I like a lot, mounted in a gizmo high in the center sub panel. I found that I was always leaning over to the middle a bit to see it well. It is a small screen to see details, airspace and such. I recently put a RAM mount for the 496 in the bit of panel above the mono gear handle, which puts the little screen closer to my 53 year old eyes, and like it much better. It does not look as clean as the gizmo mount but I don't care.
I recently started using a backup to my 496. I wanted to try replacing the paper charts that I am bad about keeping current. My new "backup" is an IPad running WingX pro7. I think it works great. Now my charts are current for under a 100bucks a year.
If I had your Skyview instead of my D10-A I would forget the Garmin and go with the IPad moving map (current charts!). To keep the Garmin updated will cost more and the screen is small.
I have been subscribing to XM weather on the Garmin which I like, but is just too expensive for me. Now I check weather on the iPad before take off and download it for review on course.
The iPad is a great travel "computer" that replaces the laptop.
So far I have used WingX for 30 days free. Next I'll try ForeFlight and how that compares.
I was advised by another pilot using the iPad to mount it upright like your panel, not on your leg or some such. The reason being our canopy and the screen brightness. He was right. I fly with the iPad on a RAM mount off the far right side of the panel.
Kevin
N211KA, 380 hours
Did you get that bird painted?
On Dec 3, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> wrote:
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Some time ago I bought a "Gizmo" receptacle for a Garmin 396/496 which I'd confidently installed on my central sub panel...alas, it appears that Garmin no longer is making those models.
I'd been attracted to its size, versatility, functionality, relatively low cost, and its seemingly wide spread use and satisfaction by Europa buddies.
So in today's market, I'm wondering if anyone would venture an opinion on currently manufactured GPS units as to whether or not they offer significant additional functionality...(?).
My anticipated set up should serve for day/night VFR flight only, and will be based around a Dynon Skyview EFIS (7" screen) w/ 2.25" dia. back up ALT & ASI gauges. Panel will have a separate EMS from RWS which integrates with the RWS ECU which manages my MPEFI'ed aftermarket Sube-based powerplant.
Skyview allows for split screen PFD/moving map...though Dynon promises future software updates for a fully functioning moving map sectional chart display, currently the moving map only shows terrain and heading.
Although I like the idea of an always-on, separate screen, my hunch is that a stand-alone GPS will just be serving as back up once I have the Skyview moving map update. If that's so, I'm tempted to find a used 396/496.
Comments or advice most welcome,
Fred
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h&jeuropa
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Hi Kevin,
We've been using SkyCharts Pro for a year and a half and really like it. Not as many bells & whistles as ForeFlight but less expesnive. Gives updates for all the charts and approach plates for $20 / year. No flight planning but does give a magenta line and shows your position, nearest airports, ETA, etc. TFRs, METARs & TAFs show when connected to WIFI (or as of last connection if you enable it).
We use NavMonster for flight planning. The winds forecast showing headwind / tailwind and the predicted flight time is great! It's at www.navmonster.com
We have XM weather on our EFIS. The $35 / mo package is adequate for our needs, and you can suspend it for months when you won't be flying and restart with no additional fee.
Jim & Heather
N241BW
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