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max8992
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Hi there all !
The builder of F-PMLH didn’t include tie down points and I’m not ready to open the wings to fix a hook. What something invented to hold the plane on ground on a windy airfield?
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 400 hours
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:36 am Post subject: Tie down points |
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Hi! Max
I have put a long eye bolt through the slab of metal in the outboard end of the flap hinge so the eye just protrudes through the large speed kit fairing .on each wing. Similarly you could put an eye bolt into the re-enforcing in the tail where the old tail when spring was to be mounted.. I actually use the tail wheel spring since I need it to winch the aircraft intp the trailor . I tell folks it is my arrester hook for landing on my aircraft carrier! I wish !..................
Regards
Bob Harrison.G-PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Cointe
Sent: 11 November 2011 17:00
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Tie down points
Hi there all !
The builder of F-PMLH didn’t include tie down points and I’m not ready to open the wings to fix a hook. What something invented to hold the plane on ground on a windy airfield?
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 400 hours
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kees de bussy
Joined: 16 Jul 2009
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Location: the netherlands
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:55 am Post subject: Re: Tie down points |
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Hi Max,
My plane has no tie-down points either. I now use small clamps which are mounted between the ailerons and the wingtips. But I am not very happy with this solution because this part of the wing is not reinforced.
I also don't want to open the wings. So I consider to make some tie-down points direct to the spar near the bell-crank. To do so I will remove the bell-rank inspection windows. This way I do not need to open the wings.
I would also like to hear comments on this idea or get other suggestions.
Kees de Bussy
PH-SBR
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Rocketman
Joined: 07 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:30 am Post subject: Tie down points |
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Max,
I fashioned a simple plate that I attached to the outside wing bracket.
Picture attached (if it comes through). It survived the tornadoes at
Sun-n-Fun this spring, unscathed, when a lot of other aircraft did not.
Jeff - Baby Blue
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The builder of F-PMLH didn’t include tie down points and I’m not ready
to open the wings to fix a hook. What something invented to hold the
plane on ground on a windy airfield?
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 400 hours
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ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:18 am Post subject: Tie down points |
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Hi! All
I’m sorry about my standard of message and I have corrected it below, hopefully those whose Mother Tongue isn’t English can now understand it.?
Regards
Bob Harrison
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Harrison
Sent: 11 November 2011 17:33
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Tie down points
Hi! Max
I have put a long eye bolt through the slab of metal in the outboard end of the flap hinge so the eye just protrudes through the large speed kit fairing .on each wing. Similarly you could put an eye bolt into the re-enforcing in the tail where the old tail WHEEL spring was to be mounted.. I actually use the mono tail wheel spring since I need it to winch the aircraft into the trailor (. I tell folks it is my arrester hook for landing on my aircraft carrier I wish!) However the spring has saved my rudder during countless bounces on landing and take offs . ................. Suitable eye bolts can be sourced at yacht chandlers usually in stainless material.
Regards
Bob Harrison.G-PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Cointe
Sent: 11 November 2011 17:00
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Tie down points
Hi there all !
The builder of F-PMLH didn’t include tie down points and I’m not ready to open the wings to fix a hook. What something invented to hold the plane on ground on a windy airfield?
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 400 hours
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max8992
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:00 am Post subject: Tie down points |
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Hi Bob,
Many thanks for your answer. Could we get a picture ? (thanks to Jeff BB for the one he sent but without the speed kit)
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 400+ hours
De : owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] De la part de Bob Harrison
Envoyé : vendredi 11 novembre 2011 20:13
À : europa-list(at)matronics.com
Objet : RE: Tie down points
Hi! All
I’m sorry about my standard of message and I have corrected it below, hopefully those whose Mother Tongue isn’t English can now understand it.?
Regards
Bob Harrison
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Harrison
Sent: 11 November 2011 17:33
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Tie down points
Hi! Max
I have put a long eye bolt through the slab of metal in the outboard end of the flap hinge so the eye just protrudes through the large speed kit fairing .on each wing. Similarly you could put an eye bolt into the re-enforcing in the tail where the old tail WHEEL spring was to be mounted.. I actually use the mono tail wheel spring since I need it to winch the aircraft into the trailor (. I tell folks it is my arrester hook for landing on my aircraft carrier I wish!) However the spring has saved my rudder during countless bounces on landing and take offs . ................. Suitable eye bolts can be sourced at yacht chandlers usually in stainless material.
Regards
Bob Harrison.G-PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Cointe
Sent: 11 November 2011 17:00
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Tie down points
Hi there all !
The builder of F-PMLH didn’t include tie down points and I’m not ready to open the wings to fix a hook. What something invented to hold the plane on ground on a windy airfield?
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 400 hours
012345678901234567890123456789012345678
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ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:34 pm Post subject: Tie down points |
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Hi! Max.
Unfortunately G-PTAG is in it’s trailor and impossible to provide a photo at present. However I am aiming to fly down to London next Friday (weather dependent) and I will photo it then . But the construction is simple ...take a ¼”stainless eye bolt (if I recall correctly I think it was about 4” long or 5” and I cut it down) , drill a hole nearly perpendicular to and through the large faces of the block of metal which sits between the outboard wing flap hinge brackets so that the eye of the bolt is positioned to just protrude through the leading edge of the speed kit fairing.(slightly up from the lowest point ) You need to do some pretty fine judging for the exact location .(You will need to cut a small hole in the leading edge of the fairing so the eye sticks through just far enough to get a piece of tie down cord through it when needing to tie the aircraft down.
The length of the eye bolt is adjusted by two nuts fitted to the eye bolt one in a position under the block so that another nut can be tightened down on top of the block to lock the bolt and lower nut to the block. Check that operation of the flap doesn’t conflict with the finished position of the bolt before flying. It is easier to fit the eye bolt with the faring removed and so re fit it after experimentation as to how long the eye bolt needs to be before locking up.
If you can’t understand by this description let me know ....but I’m guessing it will be a poor photograph for clarity of purpose. I have no drawings or approvals, just plain old common sense .!
Regards
Bob Harrison G_PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Cointe
Sent: 12 November 2011 17:46
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Tie down points
Hi Bob,
Many thanks for your answer. Could we get a picture ? (thanks to Jeff BB for the one he sent but without the speed kit)
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 400+ hours
De : owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] De la part de Bob Harrison
Envoyé : vendredi 11 novembre 2011 20:13
À : europa-list(at)matronics.com
Objet : RE: Tie down points
Hi! All
I’m sorry about my standard of message and I have corrected it below, hopefully those whose Mother Tongue isn’t English can now understand it.?
Regards
Bob Harrison
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Harrison
Sent: 11 November 2011 17:33
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Tie down points
Hi! Max
I have put a long eye bolt through the slab of metal in the outboard end of the flap hinge so the eye just protrudes through the large speed kit fairing .on each wing. Similarly you could put an eye bolt into the re-enforcing in the tail where the old tail WHEEL spring was to be mounted.. I actually use the mono tail wheel spring since I need it to winch the aircraft into the trailor (. I tell folks it is my arrester hook for landing on my aircraft carrier I wish!) However the spring has saved my rudder during countless bounces on landing and take offs . ................. Suitable eye bolts can be sourced at yacht chandlers usually in stainless material.
Regards
Bob Harrison.G-PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Cointe
Sent: 11 November 2011 17:00
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Tie down points
Hi there all !
The builder of F-PMLH didn’t include tie down points and I’m not ready to open the wings to fix a hook. What something invented to hold the plane on ground on a windy airfield?
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 400 hours
01234567890123456789012345678901234567
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max8992
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:00 pm Post subject: Tie down points |
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Hi Bob,
Many thanks, I think I see how you did it. An even poor picture will be welcome anyhow, no hurry I won’t make it before next maintenance operation.
Have a good flight!
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 400 hours
De : owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] De la part de Bob Harrison
Envoyé : samedi 12 novembre 2011 22:31
À : europa-list(at)matronics.com
Objet : RE: Tie down points
Hi! Max.
Unfortunately G-PTAG is in it’s trailor and impossible to provide a photo at present. However I am aiming to fly down to London next Friday (weather dependent) and I will photo it then . But the construction is simple ...take a ¼”stainless eye bolt (if I recall correctly I think it was about 4” long or 5” and I cut it down) , drill a hole nearly perpendicular to and through the large faces of the block of metal which sits between the outboard wing flap hinge brackets so that the eye of the bolt is positioned to just protrude through the leading edge of the speed kit fairing.(slightly up from the lowest point ) You need to do some pretty fine judging for the exact location .(You will need to cut a small hole in the leading edge of the fairing so the eye sticks through just far enough to get a piece of tie down cord through it when needing to tie the aircraft down.
The length of the eye bolt is adjusted by two nuts fitted to the eye bolt one in a position under the block so that another nut can be tightened down on top of the block to lock the bolt and lower nut to the block. Check that operation of the flap doesn’t conflict with the finished position of the bolt before flying. It is easier to fit the eye bolt with the faring removed and so re fit it after experimentation as to how long the eye bolt needs to be before locking up.
If you can’t understand by this description let me know ....but I’m guessing it will be a poor photograph for clarity of purpose. I have no drawings or approvals, just plain old common sense .!
Regards
Bob Harrison G_PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Cointe
Sent: 12 November 2011 17:46
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Tie down points
Hi Bob,
Many thanks for your answer. Could we get a picture ? (thanks to Jeff BB for the one he sent but without the speed kit)
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 400+ hours
De : owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] De la part de Bob Harrison
Envoyé : vendredi 11 novembre 2011 20:13
À : europa-list(at)matronics.com
Objet : RE: Tie down points
Hi! All
I’m sorry about my standard of message and I have corrected it below, hopefully those whose Mother Tongue isn’t English can now understand it.?
Regards
Bob Harrison
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Harrison
Sent: 11 November 2011 17:33
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Tie down points
Hi! Max
I have put a long eye bolt through the slab of metal in the outboard end of the flap hinge so the eye just protrudes through the large speed kit fairing .on each wing. Similarly you could put an eye bolt into the re-enforcing in the tail where the old tail WHEEL spring was to be mounted.. I actually use the mono tail wheel spring since I need it to winch the aircraft into the trailor (. I tell folks it is my arrester hook for landing on my aircraft carrier I wish!) However the spring has saved my rudder during countless bounces on landing and take offs . ................. Suitable eye bolts can be sourced at yacht chandlers usually in stainless material.
Regards
Bob Harrison.G-PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Cointe
Sent: 11 November 2011 17:00
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Tie down points
Hi there all !
The builder of F-PMLH didn’t include tie down points and I’m not ready to open the wings to fix a hook. What something invented to hold the plane on ground on a windy airfield?
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 400 hours
01234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012
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