Matronics Email Lists :: View topic

Matronics Email Lists
Web Forum Interface to the Matronics Email Lists

Get Email Distribution Too! FAQ Search Memberlist Usergroups Register

Profile Log in to check your private messages Log in

Paint Question

Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> RV10-List

View previous topic :: View next topic

Author Message

n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
Guest

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:32 am Post subject: Paint Question

One of the painters I am considering going with uses Jet-Glo paint only.  What are the advantages and disadvantages of this type of paint?



Anyone recommend or not recommend it for an RV-10?



Thanks

-Mike Kraus



Sent from my iPhone

jdriggs49(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:06 am Post subject: Paint Question

It's a Sherwin-Williams paint system developed for commercial and military aircraft. Even has a mil spec I believe



 	  Quote: 	
		   Subject: RV10-List: Paint Question

 From: n223rv@wolflakeairport.net

 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:29:47 -0500

 To: rv10-list@matronics.com

 

 --> RV10-List message posted by: Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>

 

 One of the painters I am considering going with uses Jet-Glo paint only.  What are the advantages and disadvantages of this type of paint?

 

 Anyone recommend or not recommend it for an RV-10?

 

 Thanks

 -Mike Kraus

 

 Sent from my iPhone

 

 _-============================================================

 _-=

 _-=       -- Please Support Your Lists This Month --

 _-=           (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!)

 _-=

 _-=   November is the Annual List Fund Raiser.  Click on

 _-=   the Contribution link below to find out more about

 _-=   this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts provided

 _-=   by:

 _-=   

 _-=     * AeroElectric www.aeroelectric.com

 _-=     * The Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com

 _-=     * HomebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com

 _-=

 _-=   List Contribution Web Site:

 _-=

 _-=   --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution

 _-=

 _-=   Thank you for your generous support!

 _-=

 _-=                              -Matt Dralle, List Admin.

 _-=

 _-============================================================

 _-=          - The RV10-List Email Forum -

 _-= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse

 _-= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription,

 _-= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,

 _-= Photoshare, and much much more:

 _-=

 _-=   --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

 _-=

 _-============================================================

 _-=               - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -

 _-= Same great content also available via the Web Forums!

 _-=

 _-=   --> http://forums.matronics.com

 _-=

 _-============================================================

 _-=             - List Contribution Web Site -

 _-=  Thank you for your generous support!

 _-=                              -Matt Dralle, List Admin.

 _-=   --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution

 _-============================================================

 

 

 

 		 	   		  
	


  [quote][b]

bcondrey

Joined: 03 Apr 2006
Posts: 580

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:34 am Post subject: Re: Paint Question

I can't speak to specific advantages/disadvantages of JetGlo vs. other products like Imron, etc.  I will say though that my first RV-10 was painted with JetGlo/AcryGlo and while I only flew it for a couple years, it held up very well.  It was widely used on Citations and other biz-jets and our RVs aren't nearly as demanding.  



A very well known/respected/liked paint shop - GLO Custom (Grady) down at 52F uses JetGlo/AcryGlo and specializes in painting RVs. He's very personable and I'm sure he'd be happy to discuss technical details of the product with you.  Prior to starting his company he worked painting high end piston and turbine aircraft.  He told me that JetGlo is robust enough that you could put an MEK soaked rag on it, let it sit for a while and it wouldn't even touch the cured paint job.  He said that's how they removed de-ice boots.



Like I said, other products probably have similar characteristics and you'd probably just as well off with them.  It's probably more important that the painter be very familiar with the product line than anything.



Bob

flysrv10(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:41 am Post subject: Paint Question

I used jet-glo. It looks good after six years. Can't say that it has any advantages over auto paint.  It is made for aircraft and that is the only reason I used it. 



Do no archive. 



Rob Kermanj

Sent from my iPhone



On Nov 26, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 One of the painters I am considering going with uses Jet-Glo paint only.  What are the advantages and disadvantages of this type of paint?

 

 Anyone recommend or not recommend it for an RV-10?

 

 Thanks

 -Mike Kraus

 

 Sent from my iPhone

rv10flyer

Joined: 25 Aug 2009
Posts: 364

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: Paint Question

I checked into the $12000 paint job at 52F which would be real nice, but think I will settle for $8500 job using Dupont from Gene Mason. I believe a hangared plane will be fine for 25+ years if kept clean and waxed often. Of course mine is not a show plane and the savings is equal to an 8000 nm trip for the family.

_________________
Wayne G.

Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:44 pm Post subject: Paint Question

....

Like I said, other products probably have similar characteristics and 

you'd probably just as well off with them. It's probably more important 

that the painter be very familiar with the product line than anything.

Bob



I'd 2nd that opinion.  In other words, select the paint shop based on 

whatever criteria you choose, then use what the paint shop wants to use.



I'm a DIY first time painter so I don't have any actual experience with 

paint shops.  But it's pretty clear to me that 1) there are a number of 

very high quality polyurethane-based paint systems out there, 2) there 

are great advantages to having experience with a given system, and that 

1+2 = pick someone based on references and go with their recommendations.



I used a current version of Imron but I'm convinced it  really doesn't 

matter as much as experience with a given system.



For those of you that used a shop, how many of you got your plane back 

when first promised?  Just curious....



Bill "landing after a most beautiful sunset and moonrise to chase the 

deer from in front of my hangar" Watson

carl.froehlich(at)verizon
Guest

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:04 pm Post subject: Paint Question

For those interested in doing their own paint job, I just finished the last

pieces for my 10 today.  Total cost for material was $3700 so even doing it

yourself is not cheap by any standard.  I used high end PPG base coat/clear

coat, with one color (red metallic) being a tri coat.



If you can get a paint job for under $12,000, jump on it.  I have three

months of work in this.



Carl



--

partner14

Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Posts: 540
Location: Granbury Texas

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:24 am Post subject: Paint Question

To comment on Jet Glo and Waynes comment on waxing.... I used it and am very happy... but my painter said that if I were a person that "had" to wax the plane often, this is not the paint for you.  Apparently it's fairly hard, and does not like to be waxed often.... "works for me"!

Don McDonald

  From: rv10flyer  <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com>

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com 

 Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 4:59 PM

 Subject: Re: Paint Question

 --> RV10-List message posted by: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com (wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com)>

I checked into the $12000 paint job at 52F which would be real nice, but think I will settle for $8500 job using Dupont from Gene Mason. I believe a hangared plane will be fine for 25+ years if kept clean and waxed often. Of course mine is not a show plane and the savings is equal to an 8000 nm trip for the family.

--------

Wayne Gillispie, A&amp;P 5/93, PPC 10/08

Bldr# 40983SB Remaining: First flight.

Read this topic online here:

http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359357#359357

www.aeroelectric.cnbsp;    * HomebuiltHELP http://www.matronics.com/contribution

_________________
Don A. McDonald
40636

Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:39 am Post subject: Paint Question

Congrats Carl!



I found painting as satisfying as building - didn't expect that but 

shouldn't have been surprised.



Not only is the paint the first thing people see, but it's also often 

the first reaction, as in, "You built this yourself!  Really?  You mean 

like the paint too?"  Being able to say 'yes' is nice.



But it is challenging, toxic work.  A good $12k paint job is worth the 

price.



  It also gives me some insight into how Maule was able to offer a new 

1995 MX7-180a for $59k.. it certainly didn't go into the paint job.



Anyway, modern polyurethane coating systems are as highly evolved as 

modern avionics.  Applied well, they are a wonder.



Bill

On 11/26/2011 9:01 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 For those interested in doing their own paint job, I just finished the last

 pieces for my 10 today.  Total cost for material was $3700 so even doing it

 yourself is not cheap by any standard.  I used high end PPG base coat/clear

 coat, with one color (red metallic) being a tri coat.



 If you can get a paint job for under $12,000, jump on it.  I have three

 months of work in this.



 Carl

rv10flyer(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:00 pm Post subject: Paint Question

Just as a thought, I painted my own plane. It's short term, but I did it for 

a few reasons. no worries about exposed aluminum and fiberglass when flying. 

Priming absorbs and actually is worse than nothing at all and lastly I knew 

if I opted for a 8K paint job I would be upset during the fly off.

My point! no regrets with the scratches all over the plane from the cowling, 

seems things shifted in flight and I need to make some fiberglass fixes and 

I expect I will continue to do so for another few months, donâ€™t spend all 

that money on a new paint job until after all the fly off has been done, 

once all fixes and cosmetic adjustments are made than get it painted right.

I know Tim did it himself and it looks great, mine works for what I 

intended, protect the plane from the weather. So I'm with you Wayne "mine is 

not a show plane and the savings is equal to an 8000 nm trip for the 

family." in other words please donâ€™t point out that spot I missed at the 

next flyin 

I plan to repaint my plane in the future.

Pascal



--

msausen

Joined: 25 Oct 2007
Posts: 559
Location: Appleton, WI USA

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:55 am Post subject: Paint Question

For those of you that painted your own birds it would be great to get an idea on how much material you needed.



Michael



--

rleffler

Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Posts: 680

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:30 am Post subject: Paint Question

 	  Quote: 	
		   How much they need or how much they used?   :^).   If I was painting I certainly use more than needed, but since I'm dangerous with a sprayer, I'm letting somebody else have that opportunity. 


	


All joking aside, getting quantities used would be a useful benchmark.

_________________
Bob Leffler
N410BL - Phase I
http://mykitlog.com/rleffler

davidsoutpost(at)comcast.
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:56 am Post subject: Paint Question

I'm there now so this question is just in time.  I think a lot will depend on product used, colors, along with the painters ability.  I just ordered (2) one gallon kits of DTM epoxy primer which should be enough for the whole plane, and 1 gallon of single stage two part urethane top coat in white to get started along with a color chart to determine my colors. I'll do the flying surfaces first and see how far that gallon of top coat goes, along with determining if I want to go with a clear coat or not.  I am building on a tight budget so I can't afford Jet Glo, PPG, Imron, or any of the other high $$ dollar $$ finishes and yes I know,,,,ya' get what you pay for. 



David Clifford



RV-10 Builder

Howell,  MI

From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 12:52:25 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Paint Question



--> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>



For those of you that painted your own birds it would be great to get an idea on how much material you needed.



Michael



--

robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:41 am Post subject: Paint Question

Again a topic I know nothing about nothing so I might as well contributeâ€¦ 

As far as material costs if you are spraying on a tight budget a painter I know has uses Alumigrip paint on airplanes for 20+ years with excellent results and has told me it's  one of the most inexpensive (quality) paints available. 

  

Robin  

    

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net

 Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 10:51 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question 

 

 

   

I'm there now so this question is just in time.  I think a lot will depend on product used, colors, along with the painters ability.  I just ordered  (2) one gallon kits of DTM epoxy primer which should be enough for the whole plane, and 1 gallon of single stage two part urethane top coat in white to get started along with a color chart  to determine my colors. I'll do the flying surfaces first and see how far that gallon of top coat goes, along with determining if I want to go with a clear coat or not.  I am building on a tight budget so I can't afford Jet Glo, PPG, Imron, or any of the other  high $$ dollar $$ finishes and yes I know,,,,ya' get what you pay for.   

David Clifford

 

 RV-10 Builder

 Howell,  MI

 

  

   

 

From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net (rvbuilder(at)sausen.net)>

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

 Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 12:52:25 PM

 Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question

 

 --> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net (rvbuilder(at)sausen.net)>

 

 For those of you that painted your own birds it would be great to get an idea on how much material you needed.

 

 Michael

 

 --

aerosport1

Joined: 07 Nov 2007
Posts: 231

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:41 am Post subject: Paint Question

Michael if I remember correctly I used around 3-4 gallons of white base coat

2 gallons of blue base coat and 1 qt per other 

Trim base colors. I also put 2 coats of primer sealer prior, that was almost

white. I then applied 3 coats clear which was around

3 gallons as well and had some left over of all. Not much however

This will get you in the ball park 



Geoff 

Geoff Combs

Aerosport Modeling & Design

8090 Howe Industrial Parkway 

Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110

614-834-5227p

614-834-5230f

www.aerosportmodeling.com



--

_________________
Geoff Combs
RV-10 QB N829GW
Flying 500 hrs
40033

carl.froehlich(at)verizon
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:12 pm Post subject: Paint Question

I used PPG base coat clear coat.



1.5 gal primer

1.25 gal silver

3/4 gal red

1 pint blue

2.5 gal clear

Enough reducer to go with the above materials.



One coat primer (but the fiberglass top and doors had smooth prime and an earlier coat of primer that was wet sanded before the fuselage prime).  Two coats color and two coats clear. 



Carl





On Nov 29, 2011, at 2:38 PM, "Geoff Combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com> wrote:



[quote] 

 

 Michael if I remember correctly I used around 3-4 gallons of white base coat

 2 gallons of blue base coat and 1 qt per other 

 Trim base colors. I also put 2 coats of primer sealer prior, that was almost

 white. I then applied 3 coats clear which was around

 3 gallons as well and had some left over of all. Not much however

 This will get you in the ball park 

 

 Geoff 

 

 

 Geoff Combs

 Aerosport Modeling & Design

 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway 

 Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110

 614-834-5227p

 614-834-5230f

 www.aerosportmodeling.com

 

 --

Lew Gallagher

Joined: 04 Jan 2008
Posts: 402
Location: Greenville , SC

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Paint Question

Hey Michael,



I did all the prep work, all the fiberglass work, and painted Wes's -10 for $4 K labor with him supplying all the material ... I won't be doing it that cheaply again!  



I used acrylic enamel with WetLook hardner.  I think it was between 4/5 gallons white (base color), 1 qt. blue (tips/stripes) and 1 pt. red (stripes).  I was amazed at how much it took -- never painted a plane before, cars usually take about 1 gal. color, 1 gal. clear for urethane base/clear.  I always do three light coats -- nice slick without runs or orange peel.



Lots of 2K epoxy primer -- at least 2 coats on fiberglass with sanding in between for pin holes, etc.  I did not do the acid wash/alodine.  Instead I scuffed all aluminum, light coat of self etch primer followed within 20 min. with the 2K primer, sand smooth, paint.



Obviously, each to their own -- I think it is a wise comment to go with whatever the painter is familiar with, and what works with aluminum.  



No cracks around windows, no chips or peels (except as I noted on a  previous post about not redoing the factory primer on the steps) in almost two years.



Later,  - Lew

_________________
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Fly off completed !

Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:39 pm Post subject: Paint Question

I would estimate about 3.5 gals (imron elite single stage) to cover the 

entire thing.  So many variables depending on color scheme, etc.



I put a lot of my painting experience in my Kitlog:

http://www.mykitlog.com/users/category.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=5986 

<http://www.mykitlog.com/users/category.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=5986>



A couple of random thoughts:

- consider PreKote instead of etching or alodining - easy, non-toxic, 

presumably effective

- pick your prime as you pick you top coat to ensure total 

compatibility.  Shooting your prime and topcoat within 12-24-48 hours 

(see data sheets) can give you that strong chemical bond and eliminate 

the need to sand between those coats

- Temperature is a big deal - winter is upon us, spring beckons

- Read the data sheets carefully - the manufacturer is trying to guide 

you to success, but with one caveat... VOC regs seem to limit what can 

be done, particularly in terms of thinnning.  I had some success 

thinning the paints more than specified (i.e. thinning up to 15% instead 

of zero thinning).  An HVLP gun with better atomization may have given 

me even more success but I don't really know at this point.

- You need a respirator... talk to some old timers in the business and 

you'll quickly learn why.

- A masking dispenser is indispensible



On 11/29/2011 12:52 PM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 For those of you that painted your own birds it would be great to get an idea on how much material you needed.



 Michael

Display posts from previous:

	Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> RV10-List	All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

Jump to:

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum