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tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.c
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:37 pm Post subject: Wiring connectors

Giddy, I am in LA and figure I might as well give Aircraft Spruce some of my hard earned dollars. I am thinking of buying a 1000' spool of AWG 20 wire and am after advice whether the spade crimp styled connectors are ok for permanent conx? I am not good with electrons. They think like my wife, often changing their minds with unpredictable outcomes. I don't enjoy them, electrons. I can barely tolerate the wife either, but she does let me build my plane so I suppose I should cut her some slack. So, within the Spruce range as I am "Johnny on the spot", is there a simple type of connector such as AMP or is there a better type, dimple or no dimple etc? Any help would be appreciated. 

P.S if anyone has anything bad to say about a SIRS Navigator Compass let me know as I am planning on getting one of those too.

Reg

Tony Renshaw 

Sydney, though in LA.



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rob(at)hyperion-ef.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:26 pm Post subject: Wiring connectors

If you were monitoring the AeroElectric-List you would have learned that

crimped Faston-type connections are the best way to go for permanent

air-tight connections for our airplanes.  Forget solder and avoid those

screw terminal strips supplied by Europa. 

Best regards,



Rob Housman

Irvine, California

Europa XS

Rotax 914

S/N A070

Airframe complete

Avionics soon



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rlborger(at)mac.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:33 pm Post subject: Wiring connectors

Tony,



FWIW, I use crimp fast-on spade connectors as much as possible: switches, relays, etc.  Crimp ring terminals for circuit breakers and when I have a switch with screw attachments.  Crimp pins & sockets in D-Sub connectors.  And soldering only when absolutely, positively necessary and there's no other alternative available.  

Dimple fast-on spade connectors probably more secure.

Nothing negative (or positive) to say about the SIRS Navigator Compass, just make sure you confirm that you get one for the Southern Hemisphere.



Blue skies & tailwinds,

Bob Borger

Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.

Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP

3705 Lynchburg Dr.

Corinth, TX  76208-5331

Cel: 817-992-1117

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Giddy, I am in LA and figure I might as well give Aircraft Spruce some of my hard earned dollars. I am thinking of buying a 1000' spool of AWG 20 wire and am after advice whether the spade crimp styled connectors are ok for permanent conx? I am not good with electrons. They think like my wife, often changing their minds with unpredictable outcomes. I don't enjoy them, electrons. I can barely tolerate the wife either, but she does let me build my plane so I suppose I should cut her some slack. So, within the Spruce range as I am "Johnny on the spot", is there a simple type of connector such as AMP or is there a better type, dimple or no dimple etc? Any help would be appreciated. 

P.S if anyone has anything bad to say about a SIRS Navigator Compass let me know as I am planning on getting one of those too.

Reg

Tony Renshaw 

Sydney, though in LA.



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pestar

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Posts: 61
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:53 pm Post subject: Re: Wiring connectors

Tony



Used Spade connectors in MCR-4S, using proper crimping tool as recommended by Electric Bob. for 20 & 22 AWG just doubled up the wire to get a better grip where required.



Soldering only used where there was no alternative.



Cheers Peter

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rampil

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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:36 am Post subject: Re: Wiring connectors

Crimping is the way to go for most of the power circuits in the Europa.



It is extremely important to purchase and use only Aviation grade

crimp, not the automotive grade commonly available locally.



The Aviation grade connectors, like "PIDG" are closed barrel with the

metal internal sleeve extending up the barrel to support the insulation.



In Auto grade connectors, the metal sleeve stops deep inside the barrel

and only grips the bare wire.  These connectors fail with vibration.



The Europa needs some wire gauges other than 20ga.  Again, choose

the right colored connector for the wire gauge.  I bought ring crimp

connectors for up to 4-0 welding cable for the lines from my battery to

contactor to starter for example.



Cheers,



Ira

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budyerly(at)msn.com
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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:06 pm Post subject: Wiring connectors

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Tony,

 Pidge connectors and the proper crimping tool is the way to go.

 Bob Knuckles of Aeroelectric fame is a lover of spade connectors, I hate  them as they tend to be very hard to disengage with fat fingers in a dark hole  inside an airplane.

 I prefer ring terminals which are terrible to get a screw driver on in the  dark in a hole in a panel.  

  

 No matter what you decide, please buy a quality crimping tool for Pidge  style connectors ( I spent $100 and mine is perfect, but not for a one time use)  or better yet get a good crimping tool and practice.

 I prefer AMP connectors, and the circular AMP or now Tyco Amp plastic  circular connectors.

 For a crimp tool the AMP pro crimper at A/C Spruce is very good and very  expensive.  Eclipse has a good crimper with various heads, but do some hand  strengthening exercises to use it.  Cost is about $40 and heads are also  about $40 for Pidge, standard, Coax etc.

  

 I suggest you look on line at Allied or Digikey for tools and Dsub  connectors.  Again, I have a pair of crimpers that I only use as I do not  want to lose them.  I can make 100 crimps and only have one bad one.   (I test each one anyway) and have found the Eclipse Dsub pin crimper to be quite  good, but watch your wire size.  20 Ga, through 18 Ga works well with the  Eclipse, but you need a good AMP with the proper die to do the really small  24-26 wires, but you can make do with cheaper ones.

  

 Enjoy your stay.

 Regards,

 Bud Yerly

Custom Flight Creations, Inc.

www.customflightcreations.com

(813)  653-4989

  

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tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.c
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:15 pm Post subject: Wiring connectors

Hey Pete, 

Copied your advice re wiring. Am going to get hold of Bobs book. As for that cover if I have not already commented, what a great photo to have. Did u come up with your. Colour scheme and is it painted, or decals??

Reg

Tony Renshaw 

Sydney 



On 23/11/2011, at 17:53, "pestar" <peter(at)reivernet.com> wrote:



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 Tony

 

 Used Spade connectors in MCR-4S, using proper crimping tool as recommended by Electric Bob. for 20 & 22 AWG just doubled up the wire to get a better grip where required.

 

 Soldering only used where there was no alternative.

 

 Cheers Peter

 

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 Peter Armstrong

 Auckland, New Zealand

 DynAero MCR-4S (Do not shoot me  ).

 

 

 

 

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jimpuglise(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:59 pm Post subject: Wiring connectors

Tony- 

  

For several years, Matronics has given complimentary copies of some of the "Homebuilder's Help" CDs with your yearly membership.  They have a CD on crimping that is good viewing if you are new to it.  You should be able to Google them and find the CD on their site.  I have several of them and they are a good starting point. 

  

Jim Puglise 

Europa XS, Jab powered



 

   

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Hey Pete, 

Copied your advice re wiring. Am going to get hold of Bobs book. As for that cover if I have not already commented, what a great photo to have. Did u come up with your. Colour scheme and is it painted, or decals??

Reg

Tony Renshaw 

Sydney 



On 23/11/2011, at 17:53, "pestar" <peter(at)reivernet.com> wrote:



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 Tony

 

 Used Spade connectors in MCR-4S, using proper crimping tool as recommended by Electric Bob. for 20 & 22 AWG just doubled up the wire to get a better grip where required.

 

 Soldering only used where there was no alternative.

 

 Cheers Peter

 

 --------

 Peter Armstrong

 Auckland, New Zealand

 DynAero MCR-4S (Do not shoot me  ).

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358910#358910

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


	


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