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steve.freeman(at)syntaxds
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:53 am Post subject: Rear Canopy 650

Hi guys,

 

Does anyone have a good series of photos for how you did the 650 rear canopy?  I feel the plans are very unclear in this area and would appreciate any tips any of you have been through.

 

Thanks,

 

Steve Freeman

650

N902AL

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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:10 am Post subject: Rear Canopy 650

Hello, Steve



have the video from Jon Croke - link available in zenith.aero (homebuilthelp.com, I think).

I haven't started on that yet, but I think you would find it helpful.

  



Regards

Carlos



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Does anyone have a good series of photos for how you did the 650 rear canopy?  I feel the plans are very unclear in this area and would appreciate any tips any of you have been through.  

 

Thanks,

 

Steve Freeman

650 

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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:09 am Post subject: Rear Canopy 650

I Have the Homebuilt Help video and it is very helpful but if you watch it they don’t finish the job.  They get about 80% of the way and they say words to the effect of “We’ll leave the rest up to you to figure out.”  The first 50 minutes of this video are great, the last 10 stink!.  Additionally this video is for a retrofit to a 601XL not a new install on a 650.  When you watch the video you will understand the shortcoming.  I do not understand why they did it this way.  The plans are not very clear in exactly the area they leave it up to you to figure out.  For instance, I cannot find in the plans how far back the canopy should go.  Having built a 601 HDS the back of the canopy rests on the turtle deck but on the 650 it would appear from the videos (and plans) that the canopy does not even make it all the way to the baggage bulk head.  I cannot find a reference in the plans for where to place the rear of the canopy.   Also, I do not see how the canopy attaches to the rear turtle deck.  There is a part  ON page 6-C-6 (65C3-5) which would strongly indicate placement but everything would depend on how the canopy is trimmed and placed up front. 

 

In the plans there is an inset in the lower left corner that shows basic placement.  But what I do not understand is how to finish this area off?  The side flashings do not wrap to the fuselage center line and there is not a fairing strip that goes over the back.

 

I understand I am probably missing something basic but the problem is you cannot really test fit the canopy and all of the components until you trim the front.  I would just like a little better idea of what I am doing before I start making those cuts to this expensive to replace part if I goof up!

 

Any help will be hugely appreciated!

 

Thanks,

 

Steve

 

From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa

Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 7:06 AM

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Subject: Re: Rear Canopy 650

 

Hello, Steve



have the video from Jon Croke - link available in zenith.aero (homebuilthelp.com, I think).

I haven't started on that yet, but I think you would find it helpful.

Regards

Carlos

On 27 October 2011 09:50, Steve Freeman <steve.freeman(at)syntaxds.com (steve.freeman(at)syntaxds.com)> wrote:

Hi guys,

 

Does anyone have a good series of photos for how you did the 650 rear canopy?  I feel the plans are very unclear in this area and would appreciate any tips any of you have been through.

 

Thanks,

 

Steve Freeman

650

N902AL

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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:03 am Post subject: Rear Canopy 650

Steve, I think no two canopies are exactly the same.   See on my Other Projects page what a friend, Gerald Kelly did on his HDS.   I don't know if this would apply to you.   If needed/relevant, I could provide more details about this particular HDS install.  



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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:05 am Post subject: Rear Canopy 650

Hi Steve,

     

     I have an XL so I don't know about the drawings or details of the     650, but I can offer a few comments.

     

     The XL kit includes some rubber seal material intended for the rear     of the canopy.  While it is not clear how to make this work with the     aluminum flashing on the side I did this by bending the flashing and     gluing the sealing materials together with Locktite cement from     Wal*Mart.

     

     For your particular situation I would recommend you call Zenith and     get some technical support.  They should have answers to all of your     questions.

     

     Good luck,

     

     Paul

     

     On 10/27/2011 8:06 AM, Steve Freeman wrote:     [quote]                       <![endif]-->   <![endif]-->                

I             Have the Homebuilt Help video and it is very helpful but if             you watch it they don’t finish the job.  They get about 80%             of the way and they say words to the effect of “We’ll leave             the rest up to you to figure out.”  The first 50 minutes of             this video are great, the last 10 stink!.  Additionally this             video is for a retrofit to a 601XL not a new install on a             650.  When you watch the video you will understand the             shortcoming.  I do not understand why they did it this way.              The plans are not very clear in exactly the area they leave             it up to you to figure out.  For instance, I cannot find in             the plans how far back the canopy should go.  Having built a             601 HDS the back of the canopy rests on the turtle deck but             on the 650 it would appear from the videos (and plans) that             the canopy does not even make it all the way to the baggage             bulk head.  I cannot find a reference in the plans for where             to place the rear of the canopy.   Also, I do not see how             the canopy attaches to the rear turtle deck.  There is a             part  ON page 6-C-6 (65C3-5) which would strongly indicate             placement but everything would depend on how the canopy is             trimmed and placed up front.          

          

In             the plans there is an inset in the lower left corner that             shows basic placement.  But what I do not understand is how             to finish this area off?  The side flashings do not wrap to             the fuselage center line and there is not a fairing strip             that goes over the back.         

          

I             understand I am probably missing something basic but the             problem is you cannot really test fit the canopy and all of             the components until you trim the front.  I would just like             a little better idea of what I am doing before I start             making those cuts to this expensive to replace part if I             goof up!         

          

Any             help will be hugely appreciated!         

          

Thanks,         

          

Steve         

          

From:             owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com)             [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On               Behalf Of Carlos Sa

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Hello, Steve

           

           have the video from Jon Croke - link available in zenith.aero           (homebuilthelp.com,           I think).

           I haven't started on that yet, but I think you would find it           helpful.

           

           

           Regards

           

           

           Carlos                    

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Hi                 guys,               

                

Does                 anyone have a good series of photos for how you did the                 650 rear canopy?  I feel the plans are very unclear in                 this area and would appreciate any tips any of you have                 been through.               

                

Thanks,               

                

Steve                 Freeman               

650               

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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:46 am Post subject: Rear Canopy 650

I have been in contact with ZAC and they have not yet documented the process for the rear canopy.  IF this were not such an expensive part I would be willing to experiment but in this case I really want to try and get it right the first time.  As many of you know, the smallest mistake on the canopy can ruin the entire thing. 

 

I love ZAC…this is my second plane – but sometimes their documentation leaves a great deal to be desired.

 

Caleb is trying to get me some more information.  What is always curious to me is I cannot believe I am the only persona struggling with this part of the build.  It would be in their best interest to fully document the assembly so they could reduce the number of calls and emails for support.

 

Steve

 

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Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 9:03 AM

To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Rear Canopy 650

 

Hi Steve,



I have an XL so I don't know about the drawings or details of the 650, but I can offer a few comments.



The XL kit includes some rubber seal material intended for the rear of the canopy.  While it is not clear how to make this work with the aluminum flashing on the side I did this by bending the flashing and gluing the sealing materials together with Locktite cement from Wal*Mart.



For your particular situation I would recommend you call Zenith and get some technical support.  They should have answers to all of your questions.



Good luck,



Paul



On 10/27/2011 8:06 AM, Steve Freeman wrote: 

I Have the Homebuilt Help video and it is very helpful but if you watch it they don’t finish the job.  They get about 80% of the way and they say words to the effect of “We’ll leave the rest up to you to figure out.”  The first 50 minutes of this video are great, the last 10 stink!.  Additionally this video is for a retrofit to a 601XL not a new install on a 650.  When you watch the video you will understand the shortcoming.  I do not understand why they did it this way.  The plans are not very clear in exactly the area they leave it up to you to figure out.  For instance, I cannot find in the plans how far back the canopy should go.  Having built a 601 HDS the back of the canopy rests on the turtle deck but on the 650 it would appear from the videos (and plans) that the canopy does not even make it all the way to the baggage bulk head.  I cannot find a reference in the plans for where to place the rear of the canopy.   Also, I do not see how the canopy attaches to the rear turtle deck.  There is a part  ON page 6-C-6 (65C3-5) which would strongly indicate placement but everything would depend on how the canopy is trimmed and placed up front. 

 

In the plans there is an inset in the lower left corner that shows basic placement.  But what I do not understand is how to finish this area off?  The side flashings do not wrap to the fuselage center line and there is not a fairing strip that goes over the back.

 

I understand I am probably missing something basic but the problem is you cannot really test fit the canopy and all of the components until you trim the front.  I would just like a little better idea of what I am doing before I start making those cuts to this expensive to replace part if I goof up!

 

Any help will be hugely appreciated!

 

Thanks,

 

Steve

 

From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa

Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 7:06 AM

To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com (zenith-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: Re: Rear Canopy 650

 

Hello, Steve



have the video from Jon Croke - link available in zenith.aero (homebuilthelp.com, I think).

I haven't started on that yet, but I think you would find it helpful.

Regards

Carlos

On 27 October 2011 09:50, Steve Freeman <steve.freeman(at)syntaxds.com (steve.freeman(at)syntaxds.com)> wrote:

Hi guys,

 

Does anyone have a good series of photos for how you did the 650 rear canopy?  I feel the plans are very unclear in this area and would appreciate any tips any of you have been through.

 

Thanks,

 

Steve Freeman

650

N902AL

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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Canopy 650

Steve, if it's any help, I have some pictures of the 650 canopy I installed on my site at http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/fuselage.html#25



Note that I was able to take it back to the baggage deck bulkhead. I also have a couple pics on the rear canopy flashing I made for both sides. I used posterboard to make some patterns .. I didn't use the small pieces provided by Zenith.

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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:10 am Post subject: Re: Rear Canopy 650

Hi Steve, sorry for the late post I only got back onto the forum recently.  I have been having exactly the same problems as you.  I have done everything up to where the home built help video leaves it and to be honest my project has sat in the garage for a couple of months due to frustration with this element.



The insert pieces that zenith supplied for bridging the gap between the rear canopy and the rear top fuselage skin appear to be useless/irrelevant. I have been using cardboard sheet and tape to produce a mock up of the alu pieces that will have to use to bridge the gap.  It all seems a bit slap dash and I have managed to cut the canopy quite short (plus scratch the canopy) which leaves little margin between the end of the alu piece and the edge of the rear canopy. 



With regards to your other thread on cracking of the canopy....yep...been there too.  Once with too much pressure of my own fault and the second time just because the material is pathetically fragile. Some of the guys in South Africa actually said that you should be using a blunt drill bit which I thought sounded dodgy but then they gave me a link to an EAA video on the US site which also recommended this. I will find the link and post it. 



If you want to share you further pains and work arounds feel free to email me on James.Roberts at standardbank.co.za



Cheers

James

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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:12 am Post subject: Re: Rear Canopy 650

Here is the link that the guys provided me with http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1200008869001. 



Cheers

James

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