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Mark.Napier(at)sciatl.com
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 6:25 am Post subject: water temp 582

On my water temp gauge it did read correctly at the boiling point of

water.  But at temperatures less that that it read way too high.  I

drove myself crazy until I got the Westach chart showing temperature vs.

resistance for the probe and measured it in water slowing warming up an

comparing the two.



For instance at 140 degrees it should show 170.  New probe - end of

problem.

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bnn(at)nethere.com
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 7:27 am Post subject: water temp 582

At 07:25 AM 5/26/2006, you wrote:

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		  For instance at 140 degrees it should show 170.  New probe - end of

problem.


	


Thanks Mark,

         I'll check the probe by heating some water to boiling, setting the 

tip of the probe in, and then letting the water cool. That way I can check 

the system end to end. I'll use a thermocouple connected to my multi-meter 

for comparison.

Guy Buchanan

K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

janderson412(at)hotmail.c
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 2:39 pm Post subject: water temp 582

My setup works very well too Guy, climb and extened taxi max 95c and 85-90 

cruise.. John A.



http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1040642128



From:  Guy Buchanan <bnn(at)nethere.com>

Reply-To:  kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

To:  kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject:  Re: water temp 582

Date:  Fri, 26 May 2006 15:08:51 -0700




At 11:11 AM 5/26/2006, you wrote:

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		  That bothered me too.


	


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		  just about any circumstance.


	


Don,

          Your layout's pictured in Sportflight, isn't it? I like it, but I

hope I don't have to go to those lengths to make it work!

Guy Buchanan

K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.



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janderson412(at)hotmail.c
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 2:51 pm Post subject: water temp 582

Don, it that radiator the NSI brass model, I had one and just couldn't get 

the temps down. Replace with an alumium unit and 15c drop in temp!! John A.



From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe(at)cox.net>

Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

To: <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: water temp  582

Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 18:42:36 -0400






My latest mod is not in Sportflight only the one I did as a temporary test.

My final fix was very labor intensive.  I'll see if I can get some pics

soon.



Don Smythe

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janderson412(at)hotmail.c
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 3:03 pm Post subject: water temp 582

Don, 180F or 82C sounds ok, my t/stat is 88C. John A.

From: "John Anderson" <janderson412(at)hotmail.com>

Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: water temp 582

Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 10:50:46 +1200




<janderson412(at)hotmail.com>

Don, it that radiator the NSI brass model, I had one and just couldn't get

the temps down. Replace with an alumium unit and 15c drop in temp!! John A.



From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe(at)cox.net>

Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

To: <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: water temp  582

Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 18:42:36 -0400






My latest mod is not in Sportflight only the one I did as a temporary test.

My final fix was very labor intensive.  I'll see if I can get some pics

soon.



Don Smythe

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dosmythe(at)cox.net
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject: water temp 582

John,

    Your setup is similar to what I ended up with.  I call it the P51 mod. 

All the air from your cowl is entering the rad input.



Don Smythe



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dosmythe(at)cox.net
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject: water temp 582

No, the brass you see in the pic is temporary copper tubing from Lowes.  The 

Rad is the standard 582 radiator however, I think Skystar upgraded the rad 

size somewhere along the way.  Mine was "once" referred to as the 618 

radiator?????



Don Smythe

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dosmythe(at)cox.net
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:12 pm Post subject: water temp 582

Everything I've ever read states 180 degrees (or 176) is the max operating 

temp.  Therefore to me, 180 is OK as a max temp.  When my EIS flashes at 

180, I pucker....



Don Smythe

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mjbavid(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject: water temp 582

has anyone thought to call Rotax!

--- Don Smythe <dosmythe(at)cox.net> wrote:



[quote] 

 <dosmythe(at)cox.net>

 

 Everything I've ever read states 180 degrees (or

 176) is the max operating 

 temp.  Therefore to me, 180 is OK as a max temp. 

 When my EIS flashes at 

 180, I pucker....

 

 Don Smythe

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Richard Rabbers

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 114
Location: Benton Harbor, MI - USA

Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: water temp 582

Are there some guidelines for radiator selection?

Clearly there are a zillion facets to cooling, coolant, location, in-out pressures, etc. I'd welcome a basic starting point. Is there a HP per sq inch or something like that? I have a 618. 



I found a comment regarding the size of a 918 Radiator - somewhere.

The radiator for the 912 must have 78 sq-in of surface area. 



Radiator selection and mounting is one of the big items on my list.

I liked the horizontal - inside the cowl mounting that someone on this list posted a few months ago.

_________________
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)

Richard Rabbers

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 114
Location: Benton Harbor, MI - USA

Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: water temp 582

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		   Don - has anyone thought to call Rotax! 	




I guess that would be the best solution. I'll report what I am able to learn on size, though welcome any input, rad sources, etc.

_________________
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)

janderson412(at)hotmail.c
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 9:47 pm Post subject: water temp 582

Are you talking 582 here Don? We might be a cross perposes..

From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe(at)cox.net>

Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

To: <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: water temp 582

Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:11:34 -0400

Everything I've ever read states 180 degrees (or 176) is the max operating

temp.  Therefore to me, 180 is OK as a max temp.  When my EIS flashes at

180, I pucker....

Don Smythe

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janderson412(at)hotmail.c
Guest

Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 9:53 pm Post subject: water temp 582

Well, yes and no Don. I have a seperator plate in the lower cowl so the air 

that enters the lower inlet goes through the rad, the lower part of the 

engine sump is in this airflow also.

The air in the upper cowl exits at the lower side vents and 3 louver vents. 

John



From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe(at)cox.net>

Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

To: <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: water temp 582

Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:05:50 -0400






John,

     Your setup is similar to what I ended up with.  I call it the P51 mod.

All the air from your cowl is entering the rad input.



Don Smythe



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dosmythe(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 3:01 am Post subject: water temp 582

Yes, 582



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bnn(at)nethere.com
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 2:58 pm Post subject: water temp 582

At 05:26 PM 5/26/2006, you wrote:

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		  has anyone thought to call Rotax!


	


The Rotax book says 80C/180F max during break-in, and 80C/175F max 

operationally. I guess they have problems converting units! (80C is 176F.)

Guy Buchanan

K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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