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 Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:27 am Post subject: New Airworthiness Directive |
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Thanks Jill.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
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On 2/4/2012 7:24 AM, Jill Gernetzke wrote:
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delfin_driver(at)yahoo.co
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:07 am Post subject: New Airworthiness Directive |
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Does anyone know what was changed in this new addition??
From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: New Airworthiness Directive
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net (dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net)>
Thanks Jill.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (cell)
Skype: Yakguy1
www.yak-52.com
On 2/4/2012 7:24 AM, Jill Gernetzke wrote:
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Gang,
Check it out:
http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms/Deviation%20Memo%20PDF.pdf
Jill
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czech6(at)mesanetworks.ne
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:40 pm Post subject: New Airworthiness Directive |
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Nothing new.
Bill
On Feb 4, 2012, at 7:24 AM, "Jill Gernetzke" <jill(at)m-14p.com (jill(at)m-14p.com)> wrote:
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Gang,
Check it out:
http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms/Deviation%20Memo%20PDF.pdf
Jill
M-14P, Inc.
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dabear(at)devere.us
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:35 pm Post subject: New Airworthiness Directive |
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I like how it says in a paragraph….
You can fly over congested areas
Then next paragraph….
You can fly over congested areas
Then next paragraph…
You can NEVER fly over congested areas….
Bear
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:37 PM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: New Airworthiness Directive
Nothing new.
Bill
On Feb 4, 2012, at 7:24 AM, "Jill Gernetzke" <jill(at)m-14p.com (jill(at)m-14p.com)> wrote:
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hess737(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:31 am Post subject: New Airworthiness Directive |
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One less grouping. Many things are unchanged. Actually most things are good. The jet guys with ejection systems and hydraulic flight controls have potentially severe restrictions.
Richard Hess
C 404-964-4885
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f4ffm2(at)roadrunner.com
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:27 pm Post subject: New Airworthiness Directive |
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I've enjoyed scanning through this document....especially at 4110.e. Group 5 aircraft specs. In the "typical aircraft" for this group, the examples include the Fairey Rotodyne.
It struck me that this is a perfect example of a choice made by a bureaucrat without much of an idea of what goes on in the real world. Reason: the Fairey Rotodyne was a large prototype gyroplane capable of carrying 50+ passengers. It had two large turboprop engines mounted on stub wings but proved to be incredibly noisy because it also had rotor tip mounted jet engines; the project was canceled somewhere around 1960-61 and the sole example was scrapped.
Pretty unlikely that a Fairey Rotodyne would show up to be certified in Group 5, I think.
Roger___________________________________________________________
On Feb 4, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Jill Gernetzke wrote:
[quote]Gang,
Check it out:
http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms/Deviation%20Memo%20PDF.pdf
Jill
M-14P, Inc.
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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:20 pm Post subject: New Airworthiness Directive |
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Do we still have to request the removal of the proficiency verbiage from our program letters if already not done beforehand? Since the majority of our aircraft are in the group 2 category.
Doc
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On Feb 4, 2012, at 7:24 AM, "Jill Gernetzke" <jill(at)m-14p.com (jill(at)m-14p.com)> wrote:
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Gang,
Check it out:
http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms/Deviation%20Memo%20PDF.pdf
Jill
M-14P, Inc.
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jonboede(at)hotmail.com
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:42 pm Post subject: New Airworthiness Directive |
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Yes... a simple way to do this is to have your aw and ops lims re-issued under 8130.2G ... FSDO can do a simple swap if you ask that way, or they can re-issue your old lims with the proficiency area limitation removed. 8130.2G is very friendly to group 2 so look through it and if you like what you see, just a re-issue under 8130.2G may be what you want.
Jon
Subject: Re: New Airworthiness Directive
From: viperdoc(at)mindspring.com
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 21:15:13 -0600
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Do we still have to request the removal of the proficiency verbiage from our program letters if already not done beforehand? Since the majority of our aircraft are in the group 2 category.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 4, 2012, at 7:24 AM, "Jill Gernetzke" <jill(at)m-14p.com (jill(at)m-14p.com)> wrote:
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Gang,
Check it out:
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Jill
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hess737(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:35 am Post subject: New Airworthiness Directive |
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Doc,
Remember that the new 8130.2G and its recent deviation waiver do NOT apply to any aircraft that already has an AW cert and ops limits. You conduct your flying according to your previously approved ops limits. they are on file with the FAA in DC. If you ask your FSDO to make a change to them, then you are open to having a whole set of new ops limits issued under the new order.
Richard Hess
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dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:58 am Post subject: New Airworthiness Directive |
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All aircraft operate under the Operating Limitations that are current
for the aircraft regardless of when they were issued. Therefore, if the
OL's presently in the aircraft have never been updated to remove the 300
nm proficiency area, that limitation remains in force for the aircraft
until the OL's are reissued. If you want to remove the 300 NM
proficiency area, a new set of OL's must be issued for the aircraft by
your FSDO. There is no "automatic" or "by default" removal of the
limitation.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (cell)
Skype: Yakguy1
www.yak-52.com
On 2/5/2012 1:28 PM, Richard Hess wrote:
[quote] One less grouping. Many things are unchanged. Actually most things are
good. The jet guys with ejection systems and hydraulic flight controls
have potentially severe restrictions.
Richard Hess
C 404-964-4885
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:21 am Post subject: New Airworthiness Directive |
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You underestimate the FAA guys who write the regs. They do have a sense of humor…
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Baker
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 3:25 PM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: New Airworthiness Directive
I've enjoyed scanning through this document....especially at 4110.e. Group 5 aircraft specs. In the "typical aircraft" for this group, the examples include the Fairey Rotodyne.
It struck me that this is a perfect example of a choice made by a bureaucrat without much of an idea of what goes on in the real world. Reason: the Fairey Rotodyne was a large prototype gyroplane capable of carrying 50+ passengers. It had two large turboprop engines mounted on stub wings but proved to be incredibly noisy because it also had rotor tip mounted jet engines; the project was canceled somewhere around 1960-61 and the sole example was scrapped.
Pretty unlikely that a Fairey Rotodyne would show up to be certified in Group 5, I think.
Roger___________________________________________________________
On Feb 4, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Jill Gernetzke wrote:
Gang,
Check it out:
http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms/Deviation%20Memo%20PDF.pdf
Jill
M-14P, Inc.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:25 am Post subject: New Airworthiness Directive |
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That is true with the exception of having the 300 mile limit removed.
The rules concerning having that removed specifically state that no
other operating limitations are to be changed. I've done this to both
of my Experimental Exhibition aircraft.
Mark Bitterlich
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:26 am Post subject: New Airworthiness Directive |
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A new set of Operating Limitations do indeed have to be issued, but they
are not allowed to change any of them other than to remove the 300 NM
limitation. Just adding to what you already said Dennis. You are 100%
correct, as usual.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:04 pm Post subject: New Airworthiness Directive |
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Hey folks I sold my yak and don't need the yak list any more. Can someone tell me how to cancel my Yak list. Tks Steve On Feb 5, 2012 1:30 PM, "Roger Baker" <f4ffm2(at)roadrunner.com (f4ffm2(at)roadrunner.com)> wrote:[quote] I've enjoyed scanning through this document....especially at 4110.e. Group 5 aircraft specs. In the "typical aircraft" for this group, the examples include the Fairey Rotodyne.
It struck me that this is a perfect example of a choice made by a bureaucrat without much of an idea of what goes on in the real world. Reason: the Fairey Rotodyne was a large prototype gyroplane capable of carrying 50+ passengers. It had two large turboprop engines mounted on stub wings but proved to be incredibly noisy because it also had rotor tip mounted jet engines; the project was canceled somewhere around 1960-61 and the sole example was scrapped.
Pretty unlikely that a Fairey Rotodyne would show up to be certified in Group 5, I think.
Roger___________________________________________________________
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:03 pm Post subject: New Airworthiness Directive |
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That is a startling concept!
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From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Baker
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 3:25 PM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: New Airworthiness Directive
I've enjoyed scanning through this document....especially at 4110.e. Group 5 aircraft specs. In the "typical aircraft" for this group, the examples include the Fairey Rotodyne.
It struck me that this is a perfect example of a choice made by a bureaucrat without much of an idea of what goes on in the real world. Reason: the Fairey Rotodyne was a large prototype gyroplane capable of carrying 50+ passengers. It had two large turboprop engines mounted on stub wings but proved to be incredibly noisy because it also had rotor tip mounted jet engines; the project was canceled somewhere around 1960-61 and the sole example was scrapped.
Pretty unlikely that a Fairey Rotodyne would show up to be certified in Group 5, I think.
Roger___________________________________________________________
On Feb 4, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Jill Gernetzke wrote:
Gang,
Check it out:
http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms/Deviation%20Memo%20PDF.pdf
Jill
M-14P, Inc.
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