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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:08 pm    Post subject: frunt mounted radiator Reply with quote
I would like to remount a radiator in frunt of the starter (mag end)
anyone have a nice aftermarket supplier for my 582. I am also looking for a aftermufler for the stock mufler. mal


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:03 am    Post subject: Re: frunt mounted radiator Reply with quote
Why do you want one at that end? I tried that the first year I had my MKIII, and noticed two things: if you were unable to take off as soon as you wanted, the engine would overheat, and it also seemed to hurt the rate of climb. I like having the radiator just ahead of the prop so that the temps stay normal while taxiing.

I do currently have a small radiator just in front of the air filter/silencer box to augment the main radiator that is behind and under the wing/in front of the prop, as the original was not quite enough in July & August. I can post pictures if you are interested.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:07 am    Post subject: frunt mounted radiator Reply with quote
Richard, I have put the Honda Magna radiator on two Kolb Mk III's now. I have a 1/2 mile taxi when the wind is from the south and have never had an overheat situation with either airplane even in last summer's 115+ temperatures. If it was a problem, I think I'd have seen it by now. The Mark III has enough issue with in flow to the prop without putting a radiator right in front. The Magna radiator also has provision for a cooling fan if it was required, but so far there has been no need. I have had overheat issues with the stock Rotax radiators mounted in front of the engine and at the gearbox. That was what started me on the trail to a single radiator. That, and the expense.
Rick Girard

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Why do you want one at that end? I tried that the first year I had my MKIII, and noticed two things: if you were unable to take off as soon as you wanted, the engine would overheat, and it also seemed to hurt the rate of climb. I like having the radiator just ahead of the prop so that the temps stay normal while taxiing.

I do currently have a small radiator just in front of the air filter/silencer box to augment the main radiator that is behind and under the wing/in front of the prop, as the original was not quite enough in July & August. I can post pictures if you are interested.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:21 pm    Post subject: frunt mounted radiator Reply with quote
Hi Rick,

Next time you're at the plane, would you mind getting some measurements? I'd like to know the face area & thickness of the core itself, and also the overall dimensions including the tanks (not including fittings, hoses, etc).

Thanks,

Charlie

On 02/17/2012 01:06 PM, Richard Girard wrote: [quote]Richard, I have put the Honda Magna radiator on two Kolb Mk III's now. I have a 1/2 mile taxi when the wind is from the south and have never had an overheat situation with either airplane even in last summer's 115+ temperatures. If it was a problem, I think I'd have seen it by now. The Mark III has enough issue with in flow to the prop without putting a radiator right in front. The Magna radiator also has provision for a cooling fan if it was required, but so far there has been no need. I have had overheat issues with the stock Rotax radiators mounted in front of the engine and at the gearbox. That was what started me on the trail to a single radiator. That, and the expense.


Rick Girard

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Why do you want one at that end? I tried that the first year I had my MKIII, and noticed two things: if you were unable to take off as soon as you wanted, the engine would overheat, and it also seemed to hurt the rate of climb. I like having the radiator just ahead of the prop so that the temps stay normal while taxiing.

I do currently have a small radiator just in front of the air filter/silencer box to augment the main radiator that is behind and under the wing/in front of the prop, as the original was not quite enough in July & August. I can post pictures if you are interested.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:46 pm    Post subject: frunt mounted radiator Reply with quote
Charlie, It's about 95.5 sq.in. (11 X 8.7) and the core is an inch thick. It's about 14 inches wide including the tanks.

Rick

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Hi Rick,

Next time you're at the plane, would you mind getting some measurements? I'd like to know the face area & thickness of the core itself, and also the overall dimensions including the tanks (not including fittings, hoses, etc).

Thanks,

Charlie

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Richard, I have put the Honda Magna radiator on two Kolb Mk III's now. I have a 1/2 mile taxi when the wind is from the south and have never had an overheat situation with either airplane even in last summer's 115+ temperatures. If it was a problem, I think I'd have seen it by now. The Mark III has enough issue with in flow to the prop without putting a radiator right in front. The Magna radiator also has provision for a cooling fan if it was required, but so far there has been no need.
I have had overheat issues with the stock Rotax radiators mounted in front of the engine and at the gearbox. That was what started me on the trail to a single radiator. That, and the expense.



Rick Girard

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Why do you want one at that end? I tried that the first year I had my MKIII, and noticed two things: if you were unable to take off as soon as you wanted, the engine would overheat, and it also seemed to hurt the rate of climb. I like having the radiator just ahead of the prop so that the temps stay normal while taxiing.

I do currently have a small radiator just in front of the air filter/silencer box to augment the main radiator that is behind and under the wing/in front of the prop, as the original was not quite enough in July & August. I can post pictures if you are interested.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:28 am    Post subject: frunt mounted radiator Reply with quote
Many thanks!

On 02/19/2012 11:45 PM, Richard Girard wrote: [quote]Charlie, It's about 95.5 sq.in. (11 X 8.7) and the core is an inch thick. It's about 14 inches wide including the tanks.

Rick

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Next time you're at the plane, would you mind getting some measurements? I'd like to know the face area & thickness of the core itself, and also the overall dimensions including the tanks (not including fittings, hoses, etc).

Thanks,

Charlie

On 02/17/2012 01:06 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
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Richard, I have put the Honda Magna radiator on two Kolb Mk III's now. I have a 1/2 mile taxi when the wind is from the south and have never had an overheat situation with either airplane even in last summer's 115+ temperatures. If it was a problem, I think I'd have seen it by now. The Mark III has enough issue with in flow to the prop without putting a radiator right in front. The Magna radiator also has provision for a cooling fan if it was required, but so far there has been no need.
I have had overheat issues with the stock Rotax radiators mounted in front of the engine and at the gearbox. That was what started me on the trail to a single radiator. That, and the expense.



Rick Girard

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org (richard(at)bcchapel.org)> wrote:

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Why do you want one at that end? I tried that the first year I had my MKIII, and noticed two things: if you were unable to take off as soon as you wanted, the engine would overheat, and it also seemed to hurt the rate of climb. I like having the radiator just ahead of the prop so that the temps stay normal while taxiing.

I do currently have a small radiator just in front of the air filter/silencer box to augment the main radiator that is behind and under the wing/in front of the prop, as the original was not quite enough in July & August. I can post pictures if you are interested.

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