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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:51 pm Post subject: AOPA Digital Charts survey

Hi all,

If you have time to take AOPA's survey, they're gathering

ammo in the fight against digital chart fees.  Go here:

http://aopa.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_b7yMajDKsRqAmEc



It took me about 5 minutes.  I added some comments in

the comment blank too.  Good thing it wraps...it's a

1 line field so it looked too small.

Tim

Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:20 pm Post subject: AOPA Digital Charts survey

Thanks Tim.  Done.



I've gone completely paperless now...it's fun not having to carry that 

big 'ol flight bag/chart case around any longer!



One of the things I quickly realized is how the low cost and ease of use 

digital charts allows me 1) to fly only with current charts, 2) to 

always have all the charts covering a particular area, 3) to have 

multiple digital backups.



  Number 3 is a big deal if you really are going paperless.  Foreflight 

on the iPad for x bucks, maps and approach plates on the GRT for zero 

bucks, AirWx plates on my Android phone for ? bucks.



Bill "a day at S&F" Watson



On 3/26/2012 4:51 PM, Tim Olson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Hi all,

 If you have time to take AOPA's survey, they're gathering

 ammo in the fight against digital chart fees.  Go here:

 http://aopa.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_b7yMajDKsRqAmEc



 It took me about 5 minutes.  I added some comments in

 the comment blank too.  Good thing it wraps...it's a

 1 line field so it looked too small.

 Tim

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:32 pm Post subject: AOPA Digital Charts survey

For me it's a huge safety and convenience thing.  I used to buy

only my portion of the US and then buy individual charts for trips.

Planning a trip to Florida meant spending $75 on paper that I'd

only use that week.  It was a freakin' waste.  I didn't use

the charts most of the time, but you had to have them.

With the RV-10, I often don't know where I'm even going until

the day we leave, and that may mean tomorrow we could go

Wisconsin to South Carolina.  There is no time to order charts

and plan.  So having 100% US coverage is a huge bonus.

It's also a huge safety thing...to have proper chart data so

you don't bust airspace, use improper freq's, and such.

But, if they jack the cost up I'll just drop most

of my subscriptions.  It will come at a cost of safety,

but I'm not paying for 3 EFB products (well, one is lifetime),

if I have to pay big chart fees.

So they need to consider the long term effects of

some of the choices they make.

Charge planes $100 to file an IFR plan?  Fine, just fly VFR

and stay low.  Now, how safe will THAT be?

Most aviation rule changes were paid for in blood...

honestly...and they should remember that.

Tim

On 3/26/2012 4:19 PM, Bill Watson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Thanks Tim. Done.

 I've gone completely paperless now...it's fun not having to carry that

 big 'ol flight bag/chart case around any longer!

 One of the things I quickly realized is how the low cost and ease of use

 digital charts allows me 1) to fly only with current charts, 2) to

 always have all the charts covering a particular area, 3) to have

 multiple digital backups.

 Number 3 is a big deal if you really are going paperless. Foreflight on

 the iPad for x bucks, maps and approach plates on the GRT for zero

 bucks, AirWx plates on my Android phone for ? bucks.

 Bill "a day at S&F" Watson

 On 3/26/2012 4:51 PM, Tim Olson wrote:

> 

>

> Hi all,

> If you have time to take AOPA's survey, they're gathering

> ammo in the fight against digital chart fees. Go here:

> http://aopa.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_b7yMajDKsRqAmEc

>

> It took me about 5 minutes. I added some comments in

> the comment blank too. Good thing it wraps...it's a

> 1 line field so it looked too small.

> Tim

coop85(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:36 pm Post subject: AOPA Digital Charts survey

Ditto all around.  The only snag I run into is going to the airport for a quick spin and then having to go hope to get the iPad.  Never an issue with paper charts that stayed in the airplane, but I'd hate to get ramp checked without any charts on board.  Not a big deal, just something I realize I have to be aware with my upgrade to digital.



I know it's been discussed a bunch already, but when my Foreflight subscription runs out I'll be looking at alternatives.  Seems like a lot of folks prefer Wingx, any updated thoughts?



Thanks,

Marcus



do not archive

On Mar 26, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Bill Watson wrote:






Thanks Tim.  Done.



I've gone completely paperless now...it's fun not having to carry that big 'ol flight bag/chart case around any longer!



One of the things I quickly realized is how the low cost and ease of use digital charts allows me 1) to fly only with current charts, 2) to always have all the charts covering a particular area, 3) to have multiple digital backups.



Number 3 is a big deal if you really are going paperless.  Foreflight on the iPad for x bucks, maps and approach plates on the GRT for zero bucks, AirWx plates on my Android phone for ? bucks.



Bill "a day at S&F" Watson



On 3/26/2012 4:51 PM, Tim Olson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Hi all,

 If you have time to take AOPA's survey, they're gathering

 ammo in the fight against digital chart fees.  Go here:

 

 

 http://aopa.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_b7yMajDKsRqAmEc

 

 It took me about 5 minutes.  I added some comments in

 the comment blank too.  Good thing it wraps...it's a

 1 line field so it looked too small.

 Tim

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:07 pm Post subject: AOPA Digital Charts survey

 It's not as much of a problem when you have foreflight/wingx

on your iphone too. You can always claim to have the data

then.

That whole Foreflight/WingX thing is a real pain to

come to a conclusion on.  I stick by my previous comments

that WingX really is best in flight.  Foreflight is really

best pre-flight. Both can be used in the realm that they're

not so good at, but they're best at what they're best at.

If cost is a huge object, go with no geo-referenced charts...

from either package.  So for Foreflight, don't go Pro.

If you don't fly IFR or fly complex routes often, Foreflight

would be just fine.  If you fly IFR a lot, I'd for sure

look hard at WingX and spending money on Georef charts.

But at the end of the day, if money was super tight, I'd

just probably go foreflight, non-Pro, and call it good.

You just loose so much in-flight capability that way though.

I use Foreflight more as a preflight and weather planner

now...and leave the inflight to WingX.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

do not archive

On 3/26/2012 4:36 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Ditto all around.  The only snag I run into is going to the airport

 for a quick spin and then having to go hope to get the iPad.  Never

 an issue with paper charts that stayed in the airplane, but I'd hate

 to get ramp checked without any charts on board.  Not a big deal,

 just something I realize I have to be aware with my upgrade to

 digital.

 I know it's been discussed a bunch already, but when my Foreflight

 subscription runs out I'll be looking at alternatives.  Seems like a

 lot of folks prefer Wingx, any updated thoughts?

 Thanks, Marcus

 do not archive On Mar 26, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Bill Watson wrote:

 Thanks Tim.  Done.

 I've gone completely paperless now...it's fun not having to carry

 that big 'ol flight bag/chart case around any longer!

 One of the things I quickly realized is how the low cost and ease of

 use digital charts allows me 1) to fly only with current charts, 2)

 to always have all the charts covering a particular area, 3) to have

 multiple digital backups.

 Number 3 is a big deal if you really are going paperless.  Foreflight

 on the iPad for x bucks, maps and approach plates on the GRT for zero

 bucks, AirWx plates on my Android phone for ? bucks.

 Bill "a day at S&F" Watson

 On 3/26/2012 4:51 PM, Tim Olson wrote:

> 

>

> Hi all, If you have time to take AOPA's survey, they're gathering

> ammo in the fight against digital chart fees.  Go here:

> http://aopa.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_b7yMajDKsRqAmEc

>

> It took me about 5 minutes.  I added some comments in the comment

> blank too.  Good thing it wraps...it's a 1 line field so it looked

> too small. Tim

jjessen01

Joined: 27 Sep 2010
Posts: 50

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:13 pm Post subject: AOPA Digital Charts survey

Foreflight for VFR is more than adequate



.. by phone



On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

  It's not as much of a problem when you have foreflight/wingx

 on your iphone too. You can always claim to have the data

 then.

 

 That whole Foreflight/WingX thing is a real pain to

 come to a conclusion on.  I stick by my previous comments

 that WingX really is best in flight.  Foreflight is really

 best pre-flight. Both can be used in the realm that they're

 not so good at, but they're best at what they're best at.

 If cost is a huge object, go with no geo-referenced charts...

 from either package.  So for Foreflight, don't go Pro.

 If you don't fly IFR or fly complex routes often, Foreflight

 would be just fine.  If you fly IFR a lot, I'd for sure

 look hard at WingX and spending money on Georef charts.

 

 But at the end of the day, if money was super tight, I'd

 just probably go foreflight, non-Pro, and call it good.

 You just loose so much in-flight capability that way though.

 I use Foreflight more as a preflight and weather planner

 now...and leave the inflight to WingX.

 

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

 do not archive

 

 

 On 3/26/2012 4:36 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:

> 

> 

> Ditto all around.  The only snag I run into is going to the airport

> for a quick spin and then having to go hope to get the iPad.  Never

> an issue with paper charts that stayed in the airplane, but I'd hate

> to get ramp checked without any charts on board.  Not a big deal,

> just something I realize I have to be aware with my upgrade to

> digital.

> 

> I know it's been discussed a bunch already, but when my Foreflight

> subscription runs out I'll be looking at alternatives.  Seems like a

> lot of folks prefer Wingx, any updated thoughts?

> 

> Thanks, Marcus

> 

> do not archive On Mar 26, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Bill Watson wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> Thanks Tim.  Done.

> 

> I've gone completely paperless now...it's fun not having to carry

> that big 'ol flight bag/chart case around any longer!

> 

> One of the things I quickly realized is how the low cost and ease of

> use digital charts allows me 1) to fly only with current charts, 2)

> to always have all the charts covering a particular area, 3) to have

> multiple digital backups.

> 

> Number 3 is a big deal if you really are going paperless.  Foreflight

> on the iPad for x bucks, maps and approach plates on the GRT for zero

> bucks, AirWx plates on my Android phone for ? bucks.

> 

> Bill "a day at S&F" Watson

> 

> On 3/26/2012 4:51 PM, Tim Olson wrote:

>> 

>> 

>> Hi all, If you have time to take AOPA's survey, they're gathering

>> ammo in the fight against digital chart fees.  Go here:

>> 

>> 

>> http://aopa.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_b7yMajDKsRqAmEc

>> 

>> It took me about 5 minutes.  I added some comments in the comment

>> blank too.  Good thing it wraps...it's a 1 line field so it looked

>> too small. Tim

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>

deej(at)deej.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:21 pm Post subject: AOPA Digital Charts survey

On 3/26/2012 5:36 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I know it's been discussed a bunch already, but when my Foreflight subscription runs out I'll be looking at alternatives.  Seems like a lot of folks prefer Wingx, any updated thoughts?




	


     I was looking for a replacement for my aging Garmin 295 handheld, 

and WingX easily won the competition with Foreflight for the in-flight 

stuff.  I think Foreflight has better pre-flight planning, but doesn't 

really compare for the in-flight needs.



     WingX has a 30 day free trial.  You may consider giving it a try 

before your Foreflight subscription runs out to see how you like it.



-Dj



-- 

Dj Merrill - N1JOV

Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/

rv10(at)colohan.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:49 pm Post subject: AOPA Digital Charts survey

Note that the survey link Tim sent includes a session ID (SID) string.  It is possible, depending on how this is set up, that anyone who follows Tim's link and fills out the survey simply overwrites the previous person's data.

 

To make sure your answers count, search your inbox for an email from AOPA titled "AOPA Digital Chart Use Survey".  That will have a personalized and unique link just for you to use.



Chris

 

On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:

[quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

 

 Hi all,

 If you have time to take AOPA's survey, they're gathering

 ammo in the fight against digital chart fees.  Go here:

 

 

 http://aopa.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_b7yMajDKsRqAmEc

 

 It took me about 5 minutes.  I added some comments in

 the comment blank too.  Good thing it wraps...it's a

 1 line field so it looked too small.

 Tim

 

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coop85(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:15 am Post subject: AOPA Digital Charts survey

Thanks for all the words on WingX from everyone, I'll certainly give the 30 day trial a shot!

Marcus



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On Mar 26, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Dj Merrill wrote:






On 3/26/2012 5:36 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I know it's been discussed a bunch already, but when my Foreflight subscription runs out I'll be looking at alternatives.  Seems like a lot of folks prefer Wingx, any updated thoughts?

 


	


   I was looking for a replacement for my aging Garmin 295 handheld, and WingX easily won the competition with Foreflight for the in-flight stuff.  I think Foreflight has better pre-flight planning, but doesn't really compare for the in-flight needs.



   WingX has a 30 day free trial.  You may consider giving it a try before your Foreflight subscription runs out to see how you like it.



-Dj



-- 

Dj Merrill - N1JOV

Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/

Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 885
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey

Watch out for the 1,000 lb gorilla!



Garmin has jumped into the iPad market, and is directly competing with WingX and Foreflight.



Same price for annual subscription; I think they're cheaper for geo-referenced.



How long before they drive the others out, have a monopoly, raise prices?

_________________
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RV-10 QB

jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:29 pm Post subject: AOPA Digital Charts survey

Another interesting development is the Stratus ADS-B receiver exclusively for Foreflight, sold by Sporty's. $799 for the box, which has a Li-Ion battery and internal antennas (including GPS & Wifi), and can connect to up to 4 devices at a time. You can also hook up an external ADS-B antenna for areas where the coverage is weak. I was considering getting the Baron box to hook up to XM, but this will pay for itself in a year vs XM, and is extremely portable. Traffic "is not supported yet."



Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

www.mavericklsa.com

C: 352-427-0285

O: 352-465-4545

F: 815-377-3694



Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 27, 2012, at 7:31 PM, "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Watch out for the 1,000 lb gorilla!

 

 Garmin has jumped into the iPad market, and is directly competing with WingX and Foreflight.

 

 Same price for annual subscription; I think they're cheaper for geo-referenced.

 

 How long before they drive the others out, have a monopoly, raise prices?

 

 --------

 Bob Turner

 RV-10 QB

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369432#369432

Rv10flyer(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:57 pm Post subject: AOPA Digital Charts survey

Looks like one needs the future fore flight release 4.5 in April before it will work however

Wing X has the same option with another vendor

Now if they can get traffic with ADS versus just the weather. Good start

Pascal

On Mar 27, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Another interesting development is the Stratus ADS-B receiver exclusively for Foreflight, sold by Sporty's. $799 for the box, which has a Li-Ion battery and internal antennas (including GPS & Wifi), and can connect to up to 4 devices at a time. You can also hook up an external ADS-B antenna for areas where the coverage is weak. I was considering getting the Baron box to hook up to XM, but this will pay for itself in a year vs XM, and is extremely portable. Traffic "is not supported yet."

 Jesse Saint

 I-TEC, Inc.

 jesse(at)itecusa.org

 www.itecusa.org

 www.mavericklsa.com

 C: 352-427-0285

 O: 352-465-4545

 F: 815-377-3694

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 27, 2012, at 7:31 PM, "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> wrote:

> 

> 

> Watch out for the 1,000 lb gorilla!

> 

> Garmin has jumped into the iPad market, and is directly competing with WingX and Foreflight.

> 

> Same price for annual subscription; I think they're cheaper for geo-referenced.

> 

> How long before they drive the others out, have a monopoly, raise prices?

> 

> --------

> Bob Turner

> RV-10 QB

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Read this topic online here:

> 

> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369432#369432

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>

deej(at)deej.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:31 pm Post subject: AOPA Digital Charts survey

On 3/27/2012 8:54 PM, Preid wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Now if they can get traffic with ADS versus just the weather. Good start

 Pascal




	


     That is the magic mark for me.  If/When WingX supports the display 

of ADS-B traffic, I will be investing in the ADS-B hardware (transmitter 

and receiver).  The traffic is actually more important to me than the 

weather.  No word from Hilton if this will happen, though, and I'm also 

hoping we will see lower cost ADS-B hardware this year, maybe at OSH?



-Dj



-- 

Dj Merrill - N1JOV

Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/

Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:01 pm Post subject: AOPA Digital Charts survey

My understanding is that Skyradar has had traffic for a year or more. 

Not sure if it was in WingX or not, but believe it was.

On 3/27/2012 6:31 PM, Dj Merrill wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 On 3/27/2012 8:54 PM, Preid wrote:

> Now if they can get traffic with ADS versus just the weather. Good start

> Pascal

>

     That is the magic mark for me.  If/When WingX supports the display 

 of ADS-B traffic, I will be investing in the ADS-B hardware 

 (transmitter and receiver).  The traffic is actually more important to 

 me than the weather.  No word from Hilton if this will happen, though, 

 and I'm also hoping we will see lower cost ADS-B hardware this year, 

 maybe at OSH?

 -Dj

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deej(at)deej.net
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:08 pm Post subject: AOPA Digital Charts survey

On 3/27/2012 11:00 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 My understanding is that Skyradar has had traffic for a year or more. 

 Not sure if it was in WingX or not, but believe it was.




	




     The Skyradar ADS-B hardware does send both weather and traffic info 

to the iPad.  However, the WingX program only displays the weather.  The 

current version does not display traffic.



     Yes, if you run the Skyradar iPad app you will get both weather and 

traffic displayed, but then you'd be giving up the WingX program, which 

was the whole point of putting the iPad in my plane in the first 

place...  



-Dj



-- 

Dj Merrill - N1JOV

Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/

rv10rob(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:42 am Post subject: AOPA Digital Charts survey

Foreflight said on their Facebook page that they have no plans to develop traffic capability.



On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net (deej(at)deej.net)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net (deej(at)deej.net)>

  



 On 3/27/2012 11:00 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		   --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com (kellym(at)aviating.com)>

 

 My understanding is that Skyradar has had traffic for a year or more. Not sure if it was in WingX or not, but believe it was.

 

 	
 

 



     The Skyradar ADS-B hardware does send both weather and traffic info to the iPad.  However, the WingX program only displays the weather.  The current version does not display traffic.

 

     Yes, if you run the Skyradar iPad app you will get both weather and traffic displayed, but then you'd be giving up the WingX program, which was the whole point of putting the iPad in my plane in the first place...   

 

 -Dj

 

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 Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

 Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/

 

 



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