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raymondj(at)frontiernet.n
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:53 pm Post subject: Expanded horizons for the List?Marketing suggestion

On 03/27/2012 09:21 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:

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 <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com>



 At 12:06 AM 3/27/2012, you wrote:



 The point is to keep it from becoming a Big Deal – no fancy productions

 – just Bob Nuckolls telling us about electronics in five to ten minute

 bites.



 Exactly. When discussing this with professional college level

 teachers, I often get what appears to be some degree of skepticism

 in their response, "Yeah, but what about 'quality' of the

 education?"


	


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------ RANT = ON --------------------------

A wise person somewhere, sometime, said something like: " A school is a 

log with a student on one end and a teacher on the other, everything 

added is vanity".



It is easy to confuse the quality of the presentation, which can be 

easily be shown to and judged by others and the quality of the knowledge 

transfer, which is not as easily judged.



College professors are as prone to be attracted to shiny things as 

anyone else.



I think to try to engage with the formal educational system during the 

startup of your endeavor will add nothing and present addition problems.



Create the mechanism to transfer the knowledge from you to the motivated 

learner, and the knowledge will be spread.  If academia finds it useful 

and not a threat to it's paradigm, perhaps they will use it.



For me the value of resources like Kahn Academy is access to the 

knowledge without being subjected to foibles academia.



I am currently watching the Calculus presentations.  They are a good 

example of the simple tools that are necessary to convey profound knowledge.



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do not archive

Raymond Julian

Kettle River, MN



"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,

and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine

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Terry Watson

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 290
Location: Seattle, WA USA

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:40 pm Post subject: Expanded horizons for the List?Marketing suggestion

History is being made faster than I had realized. Here is an article on Wired Magazine's website about a couple of Stanford professors opening up their course on artificial intelligence to all comers by way of the web. The result: 160,000 students from 190 countries signed up. Just think of what all that brainpower is going to do to our future.: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/03/ff_aiclass/all/1



Terry

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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:05 pm Post subject: Expanded horizons for the List?Marketing suggestion

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		  It is easy to confuse the quality of the presentation, which can be 

easily be shown to and judged by others and the quality of the 

knowledge transfer, which is not as easily judged.


	


    But who is the ultimate arbiter of quality? If I

    enroll in some formal class, is my grade in that

    class the true reflection of value or 'quality'.

    As student, I think I have to be the final judge

    as to the value received (knowledge) for value

    given ($time$ and $tuition$).



    There have been hundreds of studies on retention

    rates for material offered in the legacy student-

    classroom-professor setting. For the time and dollars

    it costs to go to college, one is prompted to re-assess

    return on investment.



    But when you sit down with a well crafted KhanProcess

    presentation, what demands are made of the investor?

    Who is to decide whether the efforts 'invested' have

    a satisfactory return? Certainly the instructor is

    completely out of the loop.



    Of 1500 or so folks who receive the List messages

    every day, there are only a few dozens of 'active'

    participants . . . but I would think that the remainder

    would un-subscribe if they did not find value in

    watching those conversations go by.



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		  College professors are as prone to be attracted to shiny things as 

anyone else.


	


   Sure, but this isn't about professors of any stripe, it's about packaging

   useful information into formats that are free of intimidation,

   expenses bordering on predatory and a pedantic focus

   on getting a grade/sheepskin.



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		  I think to try to engage with the formal educational system during 

the startup of your endeavor will add nothing and present addition problems.


	


   I haven't the least interest in engaging the formal

   education system. I've offered some observations and

   links to what appears to be a bright educational star

   coming over the horizon . . . but whether or not 'they'

   take the process any further has no implications for

   anything I propose to do. I DO have an interest in seeing

   my wife's employer do well . . . for obvious reasons.



   She will be experimenting with these tools for her own

   purposes and then promoting them to the rest of the

   faculty. Any risk for "presenting additional problems"

   is not a clear. I think problems burdening most institutions

   are generated from within and perhaps too deeply entrenched.

 	  Quote: 	
		  Create the mechanism to transfer the knowledge from you to the 

motivated learner, and the knowledge will be spread.  If academia 

finds it useful and not a threat to it's paradigm, perhaps they will use it.


	


   Exactly!



 	  Quote: 	
		  For me the value of resources like Kahn Academy is access to the 

knowledge without being subjected to foibles academia.


	


   Right on again . . . which goes to my assertion of

   problems being mostly generated from within.



 	  Quote: 	
		  I am currently watching the Calculus presentations.  They are a good 

example of the simple tools that are necessary to convey profound knowledge.


	


   Yes . . . yet nobody has made any demands upon you

   nor taken it upon themselves to assess the 'quality'

   of your outcome. If you're not happy with your experience,

   no doubt you'll discontinue the activity. If you

   are pleased with the outcome then the return on

   investment can be nothing but good. Talk about win-win.

   Bob . . .

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