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jglazener
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Location: Schoonhoven, Netherlands
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 Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 2:28 am Post subject: Door (mis)fit |
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I am getting round to fitting the doors. As delivered, the stbd door fits nicely in the recess on the upper fuselage, with only the lugs needing trimming. The port door however has a gap between it and the recess at the front end. This gap is zero at the bottom and widens up to 4mm at the top.
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http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=100176
At first I assumed someone at the Europa factory had been overzealous in trimming the door, but measurements show that both doors are practically identical. The difference is in fact with the recess, with the port one being 4mm wider at the top than stbd. Since these things come out of a mould, I have to assume I am not the only one with this problem.
Anyone seen this before and know what to do with it?
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Fred Klein
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 6:47 am Post subject: Door (mis)fit |
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On May 17, 2012, at 3:28 AM, jglazener wrote:
| Quote: | I am getting round to fitting the doors. As delivered, the stbd door fits nicely in the recess on the upper fuselage, with only the lugs needing trimming. The port door however has a gap between it and the recess at the front end. This gap is zero at the bottom and widens up to 4mm at the top.
See:
http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=100176
At first I assumed someone at the Europa factory had been overzealous in trimming the door, but measurements show that both doors are practically identical. The difference is in fact with the recess, with the port one being 4mm wider at the top than stbd. Since these things come out of a mould, I have to assume I am not the only one with this problem.
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Jeroen,
If you ignore the location of the hinge tabs, how well does the door fit within the entire door opening (i.e., at the front edge as well as the rear curve)? If you can manage a reasonable gap all around, one way to deal with it is to trim the hinge tabs as necessary. I had to do some trimming of the hinge tabs to get a good overall fit; Many builders have had to futz around with the hinge tabs and their rebates in order for the hinges to work properly and maintain a uniform (say 2mm) gap around the hinges w/ the doors closed. I used some dry micro filler to help achieve this.
Happy building !!
Fred
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craigb(at)onthenet.com.au
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 1:43 pm Post subject: Door (mis)fit |
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I had much the same issue, Ignoring the hinge tab locations the door fit
well,
So as per what fred alluded to, I ended up removing and re glassing the
passengers
Rear hinge point and the pilots front hinge point, when I rebuilt them I
deliberately
Made them about 3mm too low, then did an interference fit, with a bed of
flox where
The hinge tab sits, carefully positioning the door at the correct height.
When it had all
Hardened I removed the door again, sanded about 1mm off the flox bed, with
the hinge tab
Impression in it, and then glassed it with 3 layers of BID. To ensure the
hinge tab
Didn't stick I put some lunch wrap plastic over the flox bed before I
positioned the door
And I put a small piece of foam rubber between the hinge tab and the door so
the tab would push down
Into the flox and leave a nice positive impression in the flox bed.
That's how I fixed mine, I am sure others will have a different solution for
you.
Regards
craig
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jglazener
Joined: 14 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:41 am Post subject: Re: Door (mis)fit |
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Thanks both for your ideas. The problem really is only with the front top. Top, back and bottom edges fit nicely, the tabs need trimming but would end up in place. If I start out using the top front as reference I would get gaps on all other edges and the reinforced parts of the tabs would not fit in the recess anymore. Perhaps the best thing is to finish it as-is and then fill the gap in the front edge with flox.
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max8992
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:57 am Post subject: Door (mis)fit |
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How fits the window? Any adjustment ? The door frame might be wrong (not
perpendicular on each dimension...)
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 420 hours
mcointe(at)free.fr
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Thanks both for your ideas. The problem really is only with the front top.
Top, back and bottom edges fit nicely, the tabs need trimming but would end
up in place. If I start out using the top front as reference I would get
gaps on all other edges and the reinforced parts of the tabs would not fit
in the recess anymore. Perhaps the best thing is to finish it as-is and then
fill the gap in the front edge with flox.
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Jeroen
http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165
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jrgowing(at)bigpond.net.a
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 10:51 pm Post subject: Door (mis)fit |
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Dear Jeroen
I think you should fit the hinges, heat the door frame and bend it to fit
the fuselage, let it cool and then fit and bond in the window.
The door should then be fixed in shape and you can remove and refit it as
desired without it altering in shape.
JR "Bob" Gowing Kit 327 in Oz
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