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 Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:36 am Post subject: Europa-List: RE: Europa-List: Europa for repair on AFORS |
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Hi Tim,
Hope you are well.
Repairing a damaged wing is relatively easy – getting the correct profile is however not as straightforward as it looks.
If Europa still manufactured the foam cores then it would be possible to replace the damaged section but without it a profile to work with it’s guesswork.
You won’t know whether the profile is correct till you fly the aircraft – that’s my feeling anyway.
I guess that if one wanted to use the wings with another new fuselage there could be a cash and time saving.
I would be concerned that there is unseen damage and I’d be surprised if the PFA would allow this aircraft to be flown again – I suspect somebody has already asked them the question !
IMHO
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of houlihan
Sent: 02 June 2012 17:37
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RE: Europa for repair on AFORS
Hi Carl.
I agree with all you say except why do you pick out a Classic wing as being very difficult to repair.
In my very humble opinion damage to a foam core structure like the classic wing should be easier to part replace or repair than say a monocoque structure like the XS wing.
As I say this comment is only based on my experience building a classic aircraft so I am not an expert in this area.
Tim Houlihan
On 2 June 2012 09:23, Carl Pattinson <carl(at)flyers.freeserve.co.uk (carl(at)flyers.freeserve.co.uk)> wrote:
The “aircraft” looks like a complete disaster area and the idea that the fuselage can safely be pieced together is pure fantasy. I can’t see any inspector in his right mind signing this off unless the whole area was paint stripped and checked for further stress damage. The fuselage is a “write off” – you would need to purchase a new fuselage, though it might be possible to save the cockpit module.
One thing not mentioned to date is one of the wings appears to have significant leading edge damage – if it’s a classic Europa will be very difficult (though not impossible) to repair. The wing profile on the Europa is critical (performance wise) so if the repair is not perfect it will fly like a brick (and probably stall/ spin like a kamikazee !)
The engine is a Subaru which I if I am not mistaken was the reason it the aircraft crashed in the first place – the early ones were unreliable !
Is it worth £6,500 in parts – questionable.
Unless you are looking for a project that will never fly.
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan
Sent: 02 June 2012 04:09
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa for repair on AFORS
When I read "just needs fibreglass repairs" what I was picturing was an airframe with a few dings, damaged control surfaces, broken canopy and prop. But the website photo shows the firewall and the tail cone completely separated from the fuselage. It looks far more serious than "just needs fibreglass repairs".
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Gerry Holland <gholland(at)content-stream.co.uk (gholland(at)content-stream.co.uk)> wrote:
Can I just ask the advice of one of two well known Guru's on this List.
There is a Europa for Sale on AFORS at:
http://www.afors.com/index.php?page=adview&adid=15525&imid=0
Part of the write up quotes:
Professionally built just needs fibreglass repairs and a new stick assembly, lower cowl and elevator push/pull tube in replacement parts.
Am I being naive in thinking that the fuselage will need a complete new Fuselage, lower and upper and control Module..
I'm looking for a project but this one looks to be listed with an emphasis that it's very practical exercise and not a big deal. I'm thinking it's a big task.
Comments please.
Regards
Gerry
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:54 am Post subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Europa-List: Europa for repair on AFORS |
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Ha an interesting little winter project I'd say. Sure, change the engine, and mount, remove the paint where the stress is. It must be possible to repair the fuselage foam, the main weight bearing section looks in tact. As for the small section of leading edge - folks must have repaired worst.
I'm suffering from empty shed syndrome - tempting.
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