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pilotdds(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:16 pm Post subject: broken down in Eugene Oregon

Anyone have any contacts for hanger space at KEUG.I have a fluctuating oil pressure problem and looks like the plane is going to be here at least a month .Thought I had the problem resolved but it returned.Oil pressure increases during flight to redline -it is not likely a gauge issue as i have compared the electronic gauge with a mechanical and they match.Any one have a similar experience. Engine is a narrow deck 540 converted to an io-540.I overhauled it myself 350+ hours ago with new cylinders ,cam, lifters.I replaced the cage type oil pressure regulator with an eci adjustable.My plan is to remove oil filter adapter (b&C)and clean gallery to sump and remove and clean ball seat and springs on pressure regulator.If problem doesnt resolve it means engine tear down.One other symptom that is that pressure always ran about 8 pounds high for the first 5 minutes of flight the would normalize,I have been advised this is in fact not normal.Any other thoughts from the engine gurus-thanks Jim [quote][b]

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:47 pm Post subject: broken down in Eugene Oregon

I need more details on the high oil pressure first five minutes.. what is  the oil pressure? what is the oil temperature? I see as high as 110psi on take  off with my oil at 100f, lasts about 2-3 minutes until the oil is warmed up (aka  165 or above) than the pressure goes into the normal 89-92 psi range. 115psi and  below is normal for the first 5 minutes (start-up taxiing and takeoff) per  Lycoming.. what are you seeing?

 Pascal

  

    

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 Anyone have any contacts for hanger space at  KEUG.I have a fluctuating oil pressure problem and looks like the plane is going  to be here at least a month .Thought I had the problem resolved but it  returned.Oil pressure increases during flight to redline -it is not likely a  gauge issue as i have compared the electronic gauge with a mechanical and they  match.Any one have a similar experience. Engine is a narrow deck 540 converted  to an io-540.I overhauled it myself 350+ hours ago with new cylinders ,cam,  lifters.I replaced the cage type oil pressure regulator with an eci  adjustable.My plan is to remove oil filter adapter (b&C)and clean gallery to  sump and remove and clean ball seat and springs on pressure regulator.If problem  doesnt resolve it means engine tear down.One other symptom that is that pressure  always ran about 8 pounds high for the first 5 minutes of flight the would  normalize,I have been advised this is in fact not normal.Any other thoughts from  the engine gurus-thanks Jim [quote]



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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:04 pm Post subject: broken down in Eugene Oregon

My initial readings are as high as 95-97 psi for about 5 minutes .It doesn't necessarily change proportionally with temp .In climb my temps will rise to low 200's on a warm day but settle to about 190 in typical cruise.Oil pressure has dropped to 85 psi range after approximately 5 minutes, i incorrectly assumed that was when the vernitherm opened.Did I answer your question?

 

 

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:37 pm Post subject: broken down in Eugene Oregon

Hmm, one email stripped the image, one didn't. Normal redline should be 95, 115 during start and warmup, and minimum 55, except 25 for idling.



On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 [quote]What do you have as redline??  From the operators manual:

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 Sounds like your oil pressure is normal, unless it is fluctuating wildly. Not the max for startup and warmup.



On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:14 PM, pilotdds <pilotdds(at)aol.com (pilotdds(at)aol.com)> wrote:

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		  Anyone have any contacts for hanger space at KEUG.I have a fluctuating oil pressure problem and looks like the plane is going to be here at least a month .Thought I had the problem resolved but it returned.Oil pressure increases during flight to redline -it is not likely a gauge issue as i have compared the electronic gauge with a mechanical and they match.Any one have a similar experience. Engine is a narrow deck 540 converted to an io-540.I overhauled it myself 350+ hours ago with new cylinders ,cam, lifters.I replaced the cage type oil pressure regulator with an eci adjustable.My plan is to remove oil filter adapter (b&C)and clean gallery to sump and remove and clean ball seat and springs on pressure regulator.If problem doesnt resolve it means engine tear down.One other symptom that is that pressure always ran about 8 pounds high for the first 5 minutes of flight the would normalize,I have been advised this is in fact not normal.Any other thoughts from the engine gurus-thanks Jim  	  Quote: 	
		  



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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:59 pm Post subject: broken down in Eugene Oregon

I agree! Nothing wrong with those temps or pressure. Sounds quite normal  actually.

  

 concerning the temps- 

 Oil Temperature: The maximum permissible oil temperature is 245°F (118°C).  For maximum engine life,

 desired oil temperature should be maintained between 165°F (73.8°C) and  200°F (93.3°C) in level flight

 cruise conditions.

  

 Pascal

    

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 What  do you have as redline??  From the operators manual:

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Sounds  like your oil pressure is normal, unless it is fluctuating wildly. Not the max  for startup and warmup.



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 [quote]Anyone have any contacts    for hanger space at KEUG.I have a fluctuating oil pressure problem and looks    like the plane is going to be here at least a month .Thought I had the problem    resolved but it returned.Oil pressure increases during flight to redline -it    is not likely a gauge issue as i have compared the electronic gauge with a    mechanical and they match.Any one have a similar experience. Engine is a    narrow deck 540 converted to an io-540.I overhauled it myself 350+ hours ago    with new cylinders ,cam, lifters.I replaced the cage type oil pressure    regulator with an eci adjustable.My plan is to remove oil filter adapter    (b&C)and clean gallery to sump and remove and clean ball seat and springs    on pressure regulator.If problem doesnt resolve it means engine tear down.One    other symptom that is that pressure always ran about 8 pounds high for the    first 5 minutes of flight the would normalize,I have been advised this is in    fact not normal.Any other thoughts from the engine gurus-thanks Jim  	  Quote: 	
		  



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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:59 pm Post subject: broken down in Eugene Oregon

the owners manual from the Cherokee shows 99 as red line-but the concern is the progressive gradual increase in oil pressure during flight it will reach 99 which is the max the gauge will read.This is a significant change from the previous 350 hours.It fluctuates 3-4 pounds as it gradualy increase.

 

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:51 pm Post subject: broken down in Eugene Oregon

I would try to check all the connections from your  sender all the way back to the EIS.  It turned out I had a failed "but"  connector under my panel.  Maybe in flight it vibrates, then as the  resistance changes, it drives to the max indication of 99 PSI.  Worth a  try, eliminate the simple stuff first, cheap stuff. Try putting a continuity  tester on it and have someone wiggle the wire, and see if you have any problems.  Good luck.  It took my 3 weeks to figure mine out, I just didnt want to  think it could be so simple as a bad connection.

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:50 pm Post subject: broken down in Eugene Oregon

Consider that the only thing high oil pressure will hurt is seals, 

possibility of leaks. Cessna in fact runs around 110 psi in their IO-360 

engines in 172s these days, with nothing different about the engine 

other than the adjustment of oil pressure relief.



On 7/10/2012 2:59 PM, pilotdds wrote:

[quote] the owners manual from the Cherokee shows 99 as red line-but the 

 concern is the progressive gradual increase in oil pressure during 

 flight it will reach 99 which is the max the gauge will read.This is a 

 significant change from the previous 350 hours.It fluctuates 3-4 

 pounds as it gradualy increase.



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jjessen01

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:58 pm Post subject: broken down in Eugene Oregon

Do you still need a place in Eugene?

.. by phone

On Jul 10, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> wrote:

[quote] 

 Consider that the only thing high oil pressure will hurt is seals, possibility of leaks. Cessna in fact runs around 110 psi in their IO-360 engines in 172s these days, with nothing different about the engine other than the adjustment of oil pressure relief.

 On 7/10/2012 2:59 PM, pilotdds wrote:

> the owners manual from the Cherokee shows 99 as red line-but the concern is the progressive gradual increase in oil pressure during flight it will reach 99 which is the max the gauge will read.This is a significant change from the previous 350 hours.It fluctuates 3-4 pounds as it gradualy increase.

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:04 pm Post subject: broken down in Eugene Oregon

yes probably 2 mos

 

 

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:57 pm Post subject: broken down in Eugene Oregon

John C, do you know of anyone?  I'll also make some enquiries. 



... by phone



On Jul 11, 2012, at 3:03 PM, pilotdds <pilotdds(at)aol.com (pilotdds(at)aol.com)> wrote:



[quote]yes probably 2 mos

 

 

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:31 pm Post subject: broken down in Eugene Oregon

I've put out some feelers. In the meantime, maybe contact Synergy Air, an RV build assist outfit located in Eugene. They might know someone with available space. Their website is at http://synergyair.com/contact-us/

And phone number is:  

Phone Number:

[url=tel:(541)%20913-0610](541) 913-0610[/url]

... by phone



On Jul 11, 2012, at 3:03 PM, pilotdds <pilotdds(at)aol.com (pilotdds(at)aol.com)> wrote:



[quote]yes probably 2 mos

 

 

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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:07 pm Post subject: broken down in Eugene Oregon

Jim, try Tom Hastings at 541-912-6402.  Tell Tom you got his name through me from Dick Epplett in Bend, OR, who is a friend of mine.  Dick used to own a hangar at the Eugene airport, but now is retired in Bend and owns a hangar there.  He says that if anyone might know of something available for you, Tom’s the guy.  I don’t know Tom, but Dick is a great guy, built two experimentals, was a dentist in Eugene, etc.  Upstanding guy.  He also said that if Tom didn’t know of anything that there are other names we could try.  

 

All the best of luck!  

 

John J

 

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Anyone have any contacts for hanger space at KEUG.I have a fluctuating oil pressure problem and looks like the plane is going to be here at least a month .Thought I had the problem resolved but it returned.Oil pressure increases during flight to redline -it is not likely a gauge issue as i have compared the electronic gauge with a mechanical and they match.Any one have a similar experience. Engine is a narrow deck 540 converted to an io-540.I overhauled it myself 350+ hours ago with new cylinders ,cam, lifters.I replaced the cage type oil pressure regulator with an eci adjustable.My plan is to remove oil filter adapter (b&C)and clean gallery to sump and remove and clean ball seat and springs on pressure regulator.If problem doesnt resolve it means engine tear down.One other symptom that is that pressure always ran about 8 pounds high for the first 5 minutes of flight the would normalize,I have been advised this is in fact not normal.Any other thoughts from the engine gurus-thanks Jim  	  Quote: 	
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