Matronics Email Lists :: View topic - Urgent: EAA Members

Matronics Email Lists
Web Forum Interface to the Matronics Email Lists

Get Email Distribution Too! FAQ Search Memberlist Usergroups Register

Profile Log in to check your private messages Log in

Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
Goto page 1, 2 Next

Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> RV10-List

View previous topic :: View next topic

Author Message

philperry9

Joined: 23 Nov 2011
Posts: 381

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:15 pm Post subject: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

Hi Everyone,



If many of you follow =VAF=, you're probably aware that there is a campaign within the EAA Membership community to participate in the upcoming election of the EAA Board of Directors.  We figured that instead of just complaining, we should actually participate in the democratic elections.

 

This simply idea led to more than 1 month of stone walling from the EAA.  Still to this day, they have not provided a simple document that allows their members to participate in the election.  So we copied their language that assigns the proxy rights to Rod Hightower and changed the name on it to reflect me.  The EAA has admitted that this is a document that they can't turn down at the elections in a few weeks.

 

In the past there were 3 choices for EAA members to participate in the election:

1) They could choose not to participate.

2) They could show up in person to cast their vote at the annual business meeting.

 3) They could assign their vote to Rod Hightower.  (This is a check box on your annual renewal)

Long story short, the elections would look like 13 votes for some members and 16,000 votes for those that Hightower wanted.  So they ended up being appointments and not elections by the members.

 

I am receiving proxy forms from all over the globe and if you are frustrated with the EAA, I would appreciate it if you would do that same thing.  The form can be found at this link.



 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/EAA%20Member%20Proxy%20Statement.pdf

You can send me a scanned copy or the original to:

 Phillip W. Perry

  C/O David Carr

  1100 W Monroe St

  Austin, TX 78704

Here are the votes we will be placing and the justification for selecting them:

http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549&postcount=68

 



Today the EAA retaliated against their members and sent out a link asking them to assign proxy votes to Rod Hightower.  Please don't give total control of EAA to the current membership and choose to put control of the EAA back in the hands of the membership.  Here's some details on that message:

 http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=679285

 Please don't assign your proxy to the EAA Leadership, and if you feel compelled I would be honored to carry your proxy vote forward at the business meeting at AirVenture.  This is the first time (that I'm aware of) in the history of EAA that the members have found a way to legitimately participate.

 

We need to get this word out to everyone who supports the effort ASAP.  So if you agree, please highlight this proxy effort and share the message on every message board you can before some unknowing soul gives his vote to Rod Hightower and his buddies.

 

We are going to be continuing this effort going into 2013 too and can use your support and even you active participation.



Thanks,

Phil Perry



RV-10 #40750

EAA Lifetime Member



 



  [quote][b]

EdKranz

Joined: 29 Dec 2010
Posts: 132
Location: Hastings, MN

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:31 pm Post subject: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

Phil,



Thanks for taking this up for us. 

I'll be handing my proxy form in at OSH. You should also mention that there are places like the Cleaveland Tools booth and people at the 10HQ that will be drop off points for the forms as an alternative to snail mailing them in. If this has changed since the last I read the thread over at VAF, I apologize!

 



Ed



On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 [quote]Hi Everyone,



If many of you follow =VAF=, you're probably aware that there is a campaign within the EAA Membership community to participate in the upcoming election of the EAA Board of Directors.  We figured that instead of just complaining, we should actually participate in the democratic elections.

  

This simply idea led to more than 1 month of stone walling from the EAA.  Still to this day, they have not provided a simple document that allows their members to participate in the election.  So we copied their language that assigns the proxy rights to Rod Hightower and changed the name on it to reflect me.  The EAA has admitted that this is a document that they can't turn down at the elections in a few weeks.

  

In the past there were 3 choices for EAA members to participate in the election:

1) They could choose not to participate.

2) They could show up in person to cast their vote at the annual business meeting.

  3) They could assign their vote to Rod Hightower.  (This is a check box on your annual renewal)

Long story short, the elections would look like 13 votes for some members and 16,000 votes for those that Hightower wanted.  So they ended up being appointments and not elections by the members.

  

I am receiving proxy forms from all over the globe and if you are frustrated with the EAA, I would appreciate it if you would do that same thing.  The form can be found at this link.



  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/EAA%20Member%20Proxy%20Statement.pdf



 

You can send me a scanned copy or the original to:

 Phillip W. Perry

  C/O David Carr

  1100 W Monroe St

  Austin, TX 78704

Here are the votes we will be placing and the justification for selecting them:

http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549&postcount=68

  



Today the EAA retaliated against their members and sent out a link asking them to assign proxy votes to Rod Hightower.  Please don't give total control of EAA to the current membership and choose to put control of the EAA back in the hands of the membership.  Here's some details on that message:

  http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=679285

 



 Please don't assign your proxy to the EAA Leadership, and if you feel compelled I would be honored to carry your proxy vote forward at the business meeting at AirVenture.  This is the first time (that I'm aware of) in the history of EAA that the members have found a way to legitimately participate.

  

We need to get this word out to everyone who supports the effort ASAP.  So if you agree, please highlight this proxy effort and share the message on every message board you can before some unknowing soul gives his vote to Rod Hightower and his buddies.

  

We are going to be continuing this effort going into 2013 too and can use your support and even you active participation.



Thanks,

Phil Perry



RV-10 #40750

EAA Lifetime Member



  



   	  Quote: 	
		  



get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

tp://forums.matronics.com

_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution



	
[b]

_________________
Ed Kranz
RV10
Finishing
www.edandcolleen.com

philperry9

Joined: 23 Nov 2011
Posts: 381

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:06 pm Post subject: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

Ed,



Thanks for your proxy.



That is correct, we have a several options for proxy collection setup around the field.



1)  Cleveland Tools is located beside the Vans Booth and they will be accepting proxy forms in their booth.  They will also have some blank forms in their booth too, in case you forget to bring your own.

 

2) Gary Specketer offered to collect proxy forms at the RV-10 HQ.



3) Louise Hose will be collecting at the Vans Banquet on Tuesday night.



4) At the same time, I will be at the EAA Lifetime Members dinner collecting forms.

 

5) You can also reach out to me and I will find a way to meet you on the field to collect your proxy at a scheduled time.  



Thanks for your support.  Let's return the EAA to its members.



Phil



 

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com (ed.kranz(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote] Phil,



Thanks for taking this up for us. 

I'll be handing my proxy form in at OSH. You should also mention that there are places like the Cleaveland Tools booth and people at the 10HQ that will be drop off points for the forms as an alternative to snail mailing them in. If this has changed since the last I read the thread over at VAF, I apologize!

  



Ed

[b]

pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:32 pm Post subject: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

Phillip,

  

 Rather than leave your 5th vote "open", I would recommend  casting it for one of the existing board members, Barry Davis.  At least  Barry has built an airplane, a Pietenpol Air Camper (scratch/plans built), which  is more than you can say for most of the board (including  Hightower).

  

 You'll have my scanned proxy in the morning.  Thanks for  taking this on.  I'm ready to leave EAA, which I've been a member of since  1974, if they don't change course drastically and get back to supporting  homebuilders and the homebuilt community.  We don't need another AOPA - the  one we have is sufficient.

  

 Jack Phillips

 EAA 81225

 Pietenpol Air Camper (flying)

 RV-10 (finished the wings, ready to start the  fuselage)

 Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia



   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip  Perry

Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:15 PM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Urgent: EAA Members -  Action!

 

Hi Everyone,



If many of you follow =VAF=, you're probably  aware that there is a campaign within the EAA Membership community to  participate in the upcoming election of the EAA Board of Directors.  We  figured that instead of just complaining, we should actually participate in the  democratic elections.



This simply idea led to more than 1 month of stone  walling from the EAA.  Still to this day, they have not provided a simple  document that allows their members to participate in the election.  So we  copied their language that assigns the proxy rights to Rod Hightower and changed  the name on it to reflect me.  The EAA has admitted that this is a document  that they can't turn down at the elections in a few weeks.



In the past  there were 3 choices for EAA members to participate in the election:

 1) They could choose not to participate.

2)  They could show up in person to cast their vote at the annual business  meeting.

3) They could assign their vote to Rod Hightower.  (This is a  check box on your annual renewal)

Long story short, the elections  would look like 13 votes for some members and 16,000 votes for those that  Hightower wanted.  So they ended up being appointments and not elections by  the members.



I am receiving proxy forms from all over the globe and if  you are frustrated with the EAA, I would appreciate it if you would do that same  thing.  The form can be found at this link.



 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/EAA%20Member%20Proxy%20Statement.pdf

You  can send me a scanned copy or the original to:

 Phillip W. Perry

C/O David Carr

1100 W  Monroe St

Austin, TX 78704

Here are the votes we will be placing  and the justification for selecting them:

 http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549&postcount=68

Today  the EAA retaliated against their members and sent out a link asking them to  assign proxy votes to Rod Hightower.  Please don't give total control of  EAA to the current membership and choose to put control of the EAA back in the  hands of the membership.  Here's some details on that message:

 http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=679285

Please don't assign your proxy to the EAA  Leadership, and if you feel compelled I would be honored to carry your proxy  vote forward at the business meeting at AirVenture.  This is the first time  (that I'm aware of) in the history of EAA that the members have found a way to  legitimately participate.



We need to get this word out to everyone  who supports the effort ASAP.  So if you agree, please highlight this proxy  effort and share the message on every message board you can before some  unknowing soul gives his vote to Rod Hightower and his buddies.



We are  going to be continuing this effort going into 2013 too and can use your support  and even you active participation.



Thanks,

Phil Perry



RV-10  #40750

EAA Lifetime Member



[quote]



href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com

href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c

[b]

philperry9

Joined: 23 Nov 2011
Posts: 381

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:47 pm Post subject: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

Thanks Jack.



There's a pretty important lesson in this year, and that is to not resign your EAA membership.  But instead keep (or get) an EAA membership but don't assign your proxy to Hightower.  Instead assign it to those of us fighting the fight.

 

We need you to be a member so we can cast your vote.  Without your vote, we automatically lose any opportunity to introduce reform from the grass roots.



 We aren't going to let this go after 2012, we've got plans to re-launch the proxy collection campaign early next year and spend 364 days obtaining member votes.

 

Thanks again for your feedback and support. 

Phil



RV-10 #40750

EAA Lifetime Member





On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net (pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net)> wrote:

 [quote]     Phillip,

  

 Rather than leave your 5th vote "open", I would recommend  casting it for one of the existing board members, Barry Davis.  At least  Barry has built an airplane, a Pietenpol Air Camper (scratch/plans built), which  is more than you can say for most of the board (including  Hightower).

  

 You'll have my scanned proxy in the morning.  Thanks for  taking this on.  I'm ready to leave EAA, which I've been a member of since  1974, if they don't change course drastically and get back to supporting  homebuilders and the homebuilt community.  We don't need another AOPA - the  one we have is sufficient.

  

 Jack Phillips

 EAA 81225

 Pietenpol Air Camper (flying)

 RV-10 (finished the wings, ready to start the  fuselage)

 Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia



   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Phillip  Perry

Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:15 PM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: Urgent: EAA Members -  Action!



 

Hi Everyone,



If many of you follow =VAF=, you're probably  aware that there is a campaign within the EAA Membership community to  participate in the upcoming election of the EAA Board of Directors.  We  figured that instead of just complaining, we should actually participate in the  democratic elections.



This simply idea led to more than 1 month of stone  walling from the EAA.  Still to this day, they have not provided a simple  document that allows their members to participate in the election.  So we  copied their language that assigns the proxy rights to Rod Hightower and changed  the name on it to reflect me.  The EAA has admitted that this is a document  that they can't turn down at the elections in a few weeks.



In the past  there were 3 choices for EAA members to participate in the election:

 1) They could choose not to participate.

2)  They could show up in person to cast their vote at the annual business  meeting.

3) They could assign their vote to Rod Hightower.  (This is a  check box on your annual renewal)

Long story short, the elections  would look like 13 votes for some members and 16,000 votes for those that  Hightower wanted.  So they ended up being appointments and not elections by  the members.



I am receiving proxy forms from all over the globe and if  you are frustrated with the EAA, I would appreciate it if you would do that same  thing.  The form can be found at this link.



 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/EAA%20Member%20Proxy%20Statement.pdf

 



You  can send me a scanned copy or the original to:

 Phillip W. Perry

C/O David Carr

1100 W  Monroe St

Austin, TX 78704

Here are the votes we will be placing  and the justification for selecting them:

 http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549&postcount=68

 



Today  the EAA retaliated against their members and sent out a link asking them to  assign proxy votes to Rod Hightower.  Please don't give total control of  EAA to the current membership and choose to put control of the EAA back in the  hands of the membership.  Here's some details on that message:

 http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=679285

 



Please don't assign your proxy to the EAA  Leadership, and if you feel compelled I would be honored to carry your proxy  vote forward at the business meeting at AirVenture.  This is the first time  (that I'm aware of) in the history of EAA that the members have found a way to  legitimately participate.



We need to get this word out to everyone  who supports the effort ASAP.  So if you agree, please highlight this proxy  effort and share the message on every message board you can before some  unknowing soul gives his vote to Rod Hightower and his buddies.



We are  going to be continuing this effort going into 2013 too and can use your support  and even you active participation.



Thanks,

Phil Perry



RV-10  #40750

EAA Lifetime Member







 	  Quote: 	
		  



href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com

href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c

	
    	  Quote: 	
		  



get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

tp://forums.matronics.com

_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution



	




[b]

rv10flyer(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:21 am Post subject: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

Jason;

 First off, that you for the sacrifice to leave the comforts and safety of  the US for our battle in Afghanistan. Itâ€™s hard, been there, not Afghinstan but  another â€œoperation in 1990-1991. Thank you for your service!

 I think you ask a very good question. Phil may not be able to answer it  completely but my initial thought is the folks writing articles for Sport  aviation are ex flying magazine writers who have no idea of what building a  plane is about, there was a meeting and their has been that â€œcombinedâ€ effort of  AOPA and EAA to represent us with Lsa and other general flying issues, good  idea, sure! I would like to see the EAA fight for homebuilders and not general  aviation however.

 My corporation does the same thing EAA does. Phil just wants members to  have more say on who is voted in versus the big kahuna at EAA himself.

    

  From: Jason Wodack (psychobob96(at)gmail.com) 

 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 1:11 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: Re: Urgent: EAA Members -  Action!

  



  Phil,

 I've been in Afghanistan for the last year, and therefore out of the loop  for a while.  I was just curious about what I was missing that has caused  such a reaction.  

  

 I've seen claims of EAA not supporting home builders, and since I'm about  to start on an RV-10 at the end of this deployment, that concerns me.  I  was hoping you(or someone) could bring me up to speed on what I have missed, and  what the issues are that we are having. 

  

 I admire your convition, and your willingness to take action.  I do  n't want to seem like I'm challenging you, but I do want to be well informed  before I make a decision,

  

 Thanks

 Jason

 On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 [quote]Hi Everyone,



If many of you follow =VAF=, you're    probably aware that there is a campaign within the EAA Membership community to    participate in the upcoming election of the EAA Board of Directors.  We    figured that instead of just complaining, we should actually participate in    the democratic elections.



This simply idea led to more than 1 month of    stone walling from the EAA.  Still to this day, they have not provided a    simple document that allows their members to participate in the    election.  So we copied their language that assigns the proxy rights to    Rod Hightower and changed the name on it to reflect me.  The EAA has    admitted that this is a document that they can't turn down at the elections in    a few weeks.



In the past there were 3 choices for EAA members to    participate in the election:

   1) They could choose not to participate.

2)    They could show up in person to cast their vote at the annual business    meeting.

3) They could assign their vote to Rod Hightower.  (This is a    check box on your annual renewal)

Long story short, the elections    would look like 13 votes for some members and 16,000 votes for those that    Hightower wanted.  So they ended up being appointments and not elections    by the members.



I am receiving proxy forms from all over the globe and    if you are frustrated with the EAA, I would appreciate it if you would do that    same thing.  The form can be found at this link.



   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/EAA%20Member%20Proxy%20Statement.pdf

You    can send me a scanned copy or the original to:

   Phillip W. Perry

C/O David Carr

1100 W    Monroe St

Austin, TX 78704

Here are the votes we will be    placing and the justification for selecting them:

   http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549&postcount=68

Today    the EAA retaliated against their members and sent out a link asking them to    assign proxy votes to Rod Hightower.  Please don't give total control of    EAA to the current membership and choose to put control of the EAA back in the    hands of the membership.  Here's some details on that message:

   http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=679285

Please don't assign your proxy to the EAA    Leadership, and if you feel compelled I would be honored to carry your proxy    vote forward at the business meeting at AirVenture.  This is the first    time (that I'm aware of) in the history of EAA that the members have found a    way to legitimately participate.



We need to get this word out to    everyone who supports the effort ASAP.  So if you agree, please highlight    this proxy effort and share the message on every message board you can before    some unknowing soul gives his vote to Rod Hightower and his buddies.



We    are going to be continuing this effort going into 2013 too and can use your    support and even you active participation.



Thanks,

Phil    Perry



RV-10 #40750

EAA Lifetime    Member



 	  Quote: 	
		  



get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

tp://forums.matronics.com

_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution



	




href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com

href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c

[b]

philperry9

Joined: 23 Nov 2011
Posts: 381

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:02 am Post subject: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

Hi Jason,



Thank you for your time in Afganistan and for sacrificing a good

portion of your life for those of us here typing e-mails.



Pascal hit a few key area, but there are a few more that should be

brought up as well.



The EAA debate has been a long time coming.  It actually goes all the

way back to Paul Poberezny when there was a movement to remove him.

But in the past 3-4 years, the frustration with EAA has reached the

boiling point for many members.



Long story short, since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization

the charter and image of EAA has made a dramatic shift away from their

core values.  The EAA has become focused on being the next AOPA

politcally and they're focused on the money that can be made through

AirVenture.  I think it's great that AirVenture represents a strong

revenue stream for the organization.  But the organization has become

focused on milking that stream and the memership community has paid

the price.  If 100% of the members disappeared tomorrow, the EAA would

still exist based on the airshow.  So the members are now second class

citizens in the organization.



Our efforts to participate in this years election were blocked by EAA

by being unresponsive and ignoring our requests for a simple ballot to

participate.  This is a right that is entitled to the membership

community within the bylaws.  But this right has not been made

available to the membership.  As a result, the EAA holds nearly all of

the membership votes.  It's like the fox in the hen house in some

regards.



I love the EAA.  I am passionate about it.  I am a lifetime member.  I

have served as a chapter VP and President.  As I sit here right now,

I'm wearing a red AirVenture 2009 polo.  I love the legacy EAA

culture, I love the EAA brand.  I really do care a lot about EAA.



Since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization, the EAA has seen

nearly 50 employees walk out the door from the toxic environment that

Rod has created.  These are important people like Charlie Becker, Adam

Smith, Barry Elk, etc. Just yesterday, they lost HG Frautschy who is

an Executive Director who has spent 22 years as an employee of the

organization.  The EAA culture as we know it is under attack from

within.



You might know Dick Kohler, he has taught a number of EAA SportAir

workshops and he is passionate about EAA.  You should read his

comments at this link because he pretty much captures the environment

that Rod has created.



http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=675101&postcount=122



Additional information can be found at this link containing comments

from EAA  Board Members who have resigned.  Here is a key comment if

you don't go read the entire link.



=============

As Mike Dale put it was time for the Board to "grow up and start

having the CEO work for the Board". I cannot be part of a rubber stamp

Board whose prime loyalty is to the Founder and President rather than

EAA members.

=============

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=7d613991-adcb-426a-a210-5b7ee4112049

I hope you will consider supporting our effort.  We won't have enough

votes to change this election, but we will have enough to put a shot

across the bow of EAA's leadership.



Thanks,

Phil





On 7/13/12, Pascal <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Jason;

 First off, that you for the sacrifice to leave the comforts and safety of

 the US for our battle in Afghanistan. It’s hard, been there, not Afghinstan

 but another “operation in 1990-1991. Thank you for your service!

 I think you ask a very good question. Phil may not be able to answer it

 completely but my initial thought is the folks writing articles for Sport

 aviation are ex flying magazine writers who have no idea of what building a

 plane is about, there was a meeting and their has been that “combined”

 effort of AOPA and EAA to represent us with Lsa and other general flying

 issues, good idea, sure! I would like to see the EAA fight for homebuilders

 and not general aviation however.

 My corporation does the same thing EAA does. Phil just wants members to have

 more say on who is voted in versus the big kahuna at EAA himself.



 From: Jason Wodack

 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 1:11 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!



 Phil,

 I've been in Afghanistan for the last year, and therefore out of the loop

 for a while.  I was just curious about what I was missing that has caused

 such a reaction.



 I've seen claims of EAA not supporting home builders, and since I'm about to

 start on an RV-10 at the end of this deployment, that concerns me.  I was

 hoping you(or someone) could bring me up to speed on what I have missed, and

 what the issues are that we are having.



 I admire your convition, and your willingness to take action.  I do n't want

 to seem like I'm challenging you, but I do want to be well informed before I

 make a decision,



 Thanks

 Jason

 On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>

 wrote:



   Hi Everyone,



   If many of you follow =VAF=, you're probably aware that there is a

 campaign within the EAA Membership community to participate in the upcoming

 election of the EAA Board of Directors.  We figured that instead of just

 complaining, we should actually participate in the democratic elections.



   This simply idea led to more than 1 month of stone walling from the EAA.

 Still to this day, they have not provided a simple document that allows

 their members to participate in the election.  So we copied their language

 that assigns the proxy rights to Rod Hightower and changed the name on it to

 reflect me.  The EAA has admitted that this is a document that they can't

 turn down at the elections in a few weeks.



   In the past there were 3 choices for EAA members to participate in the

 election:



   1) They could choose not to participate.

   2) They could show up in person to cast their vote at the annual business

 meeting.

   3) They could assign their vote to Rod Hightower.  (This is a check box on

 your annual renewal)

   Long story short, the elections would look like 13 votes for some members

 and 16,000 votes for those that Hightower wanted.  So they ended up being

 appointments and not elections by the members.



   I am receiving proxy forms from all over the globe and if you are

 frustrated with the EAA, I would appreciate it if you would do that same

 thing.  The form can be found at this link.

   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/EAA%20Member%20Proxy%20Statement.pdf

   You can send me a scanned copy or the original to:



   Phillip W. Perry

   C/O David Carr

   1100 W Monroe St

   Austin, TX 78704

   Here are the votes we will be placing and the justification for selecting

 them:



   http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549&postcount=68

   Today the EAA retaliated against their members and sent out a link asking

 them to assign proxy votes to Rod Hightower.  Please don't give total

 control of EAA to the current membership and choose to put control of the

 EAA back in the hands of the membership.  Here's some details on that

 message:



   http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=679285

   Please don't assign your proxy to the EAA Leadership, and if you feel

 compelled I would be honored to carry your proxy vote forward at the

 business meeting at AirVenture.  This is the first time (that I'm aware of)

 in the history of EAA that the members have found a way to legitimately

 participate.



   We need to get this word out to everyone who supports the effort ASAP.  So

 if you agree, please highlight this proxy effort and share the message on

 every message board you can before some unknowing soul gives his vote to Rod

 Hightower and his buddies.



   We are going to be continuing this effort going into 2013 too and can use

 your support and even you active participation.



   Thanks,

   Phil Perry



   RV-10 #40750

   EAA Lifetime Member





 get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

 tp://forums.matronics.com

 _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution

rv10pro(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:51 am Post subject: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

As a Lifetime member who joined "Just before. The Roust of 2009-2010", I

still await word of those candidates we can vote for rather than proxy the

continued "AOPA like" decline and unresponsiveness of EAA towards its

builders.  Can you advise whom to vote for?

John Cox

On Jul 13, 2012 9:05 AM, "Phillip Perry" <philperry9(at)gmail.com> wrote:

[quote] 

 Hi Jason,

 Thank you for your time in Afganistan and for sacrificing a good

 portion of your life for those of us here typing e-mails.

 Pascal hit a few key area, but there are a few more that should be

 brought up as well.

 The EAA debate has been a long time coming.  It actually goes all the

 way back to Paul Poberezny when there was a movement to remove him.

 But in the past 3-4 years, the frustration with EAA has reached the

 boiling point for many members.

 Long story short, since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization

 the charter and image of EAA has made a dramatic shift away from their

 core values.  The EAA has become focused on being the next AOPA

 politcally and they're focused on the money that can be made through

 AirVenture.  I think it's great that AirVenture represents a strong

 revenue stream for the organization.  But the organization has become

 focused on milking that stream and the memership community has paid

 the price.  If 100% of the members disappeared tomorrow, the EAA would

 still exist based on the airshow.  So the members are now second class

 citizens in the organization.

 Our efforts to participate in this years election were blocked by EAA

 by being unresponsive and ignoring our requests for a simple ballot to

 participate.  This is a right that is entitled to the membership

 community within the bylaws.  But this right has not been made

 available to the membership.  As a result, the EAA holds nearly all of

 the membership votes.  It's like the fox in the hen house in some

 regards.

 I love the EAA.  I am passionate about it.  I am a lifetime member.  I

 have served as a chapter VP and President.  As I sit here right now,

 I'm wearing a red AirVenture 2009 polo.  I love the legacy EAA

 culture, I love the EAA brand.  I really do care a lot about EAA.

 Since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization, the EAA has seen

 nearly 50 employees walk out the door from the toxic environment that

 Rod has created.  These are important people like Charlie Becker, Adam

 Smith, Barry Elk, etc. Just yesterday, they lost HG Frautschy who is

 an Executive Director who has spent 22 years as an employee of the

 organization.  The EAA culture as we know it is under attack from

 within.

 You might know Dick Kohler, he has taught a number of EAA SportAir

 workshops and he is passionate about EAA.  You should read his

 comments at this link because he pretty much captures the environment

 that Rod has created.

 http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=675101&postcount=122

 Additional information can be found at this link containing comments

 from EAA  Board Members who have resigned.  Here is a key comment if

 you don't go read the entire link.

 =============

 As Mike Dale put it was time for the Board to "grow up and start

 having the CEO work for the Board". I cannot be part of a rubber stamp

 Board whose prime loyalty is to the Founder and President rather than

 EAA members.

 =============

 http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=7d613991-adcb-426a-a210-5b7ee4112049

 I hope you will consider supporting our effort.  We won't have enough

 votes to change this election, but we will have enough to put a shot

 across the bow of EAA's leadership.

 Thanks,

 Phil

 On 7/13/12, Pascal <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> wrote:

 > Jason;

 > First off, that you for the sacrifice to leave the comforts and safety of

 > the US for our battle in Afghanistan. It’s hard, been there, not

 Afghinstan

 > but another “operation in 1990-1991. Thank you for your service!

 > I think you ask a very good question. Phil may not be able to answer it

 > completely but my initial thought is the folks writing articles for Sport

 > aviation are ex flying magazine writers who have no idea of what

 building a

 > plane is about, there was a meeting and their has been that “combined”

 > effort of AOPA and EAA to represent us with Lsa and other general flying

 > issues, good idea, sure! I would like to see the EAA fight for

 homebuilders

 > and not general aviation however.

 > My corporation does the same thing EAA does. Phil just wants members to

 have

 > more say on who is voted in versus the big kahuna at EAA himself.

 >

 > From: Jason Wodack

 > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 1:11 AM

 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 > Subject: Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

 >

 > Phil,

 > I've been in Afghanistan for the last year, and therefore out of the loop

 > for a while.  I was just curious about what I was missing that has caused

 > such a reaction.

 >

 > I've seen claims of EAA not supporting home builders, and since I'm

 about to

 > start on an RV-10 at the end of this deployment, that concerns me.  I was

 > hoping you(or someone) could bring me up to speed on what I have missed,

 and

 > what the issues are that we are having.

 >

 > I admire your convition, and your willingness to take action.  I do n't

 want

 > to seem like I'm challenging you, but I do want to be well informed

 before I

 > make a decision,

 >

 > Thanks

 > Jason

 >

 >

 > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>

 > wrote:

 >

 >   Hi Everyone,

 >

 >   If many of you follow =VAF=, you're probably aware that there is a

 > campaign within the EAA Membership community to participate in the

 upcoming

 > election of the EAA Board of Directors.  We figured that instead of just

 > complaining, we should actually participate in the democratic elections

philperry9

Joined: 23 Nov 2011
Posts: 381

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:44 am Post subject: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

John,



Are you going to be at the lifetime members banquet on Tues or attending

the annual business meeting on Saturday morning?



Here is some commentary I put together for the folks I am representing.  We

clearly won't have enough votes to move the election in any specific

direction, so our strategy for this year is to simply cast a vote that

reflects our loss of confidence in the management.  Even though we won't

have the votes to move the election, we will have enough votes to put a

reasonable shot across the bow.



For those of you who can attend the meeting at AirVenture on Saturday, I'd

encourage you to do so.  Apparently these meetings typically have 50 people

attending and most of them are family members of the candidates.  If you're

dissatisfied and can be there, you need to be there.  It's your

responsibility to be there, be seen, and cast your own vote.  Otherwise,

the next best thing is to assign your proxy to me and I'll respectfully do

it for you.



Commentary below.



Thanks,

Phil



====================



The most relevant piece of information involves the five Class I Director

seats that are coming open as well as additional information related to the

nine candidates. The biographies provided in Sport Aviation might be

accurate, but there are some key details missing in a few of them.



After some research, we found that five of the nine candidates are current

EAA Class I Directors. This information is explicitly called out in two

bios and only hinted-to in Alan Shackleton’s bio.



The five members of the board who are running for re-election are:



Barry Davis

John (Jack) Harrington

David Lau

Dan Schwinn

Alan Shackleton



The discovery of this information made us rethink the initial

recommendations for vote distribution and that initiated a lengthy

discussion about voting strategy.



The EAA’s lack of transparency (Lack of meeting minutes, no published

voting records, etc.) doesn’t allow us to evaluate each board member on

their individual merit. Based on the state of affairs at EAA, it is hard

for us to confidently vote for any of these individuals. I’m sure there are

a few respectable folks in here, but that can’t be determined because of

the lack of transparency. This is the same lack of transparency they are

responsible for creating/maintaining.



After our discussion and the revelation that 5 of the 9 candidates are

running for re-election within all 5 open seats, I have decided to adjust

my own recommendations to vote for the 4 candidates who are not members of

the current board of directors and leave our 5th vote unassigned.



This means our five votes would be for:



Doug Crumrine

Ethan Martin

Dave Morss

Steven Oxman

Open: No Vote Placed



While some would argue this isn’t an optimal list, it is the only list of

candidates we have to choose from and it still provides some balance

between Homebuilders, Vintage, Warbirds, and Certified GA. But most

importantly a vote for these men represents a vote in favor of fresh ideas

and leadership when compared to the current collection of Class I Directors

bjudge(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:57 am Post subject: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

Regulatory Advocacy to me is the most important thing EAA does, by that I mean protecting our ability to build homebuilt aircraft with the least encumbrances possible.

  I guess the thing I'm most concerned about is, would the new management of EAA take as seriously the threat to homebuilding that was presented when the FAA was reviewing the 51% rule?

My guess is probably not, as demonstrated by the loss of the ability for instructors to charge for instruction in their own homebuilts by being an EAA member, instructing an EAA member.

It used to be that anyone who was an EAA member, instructor and owned a homebuilt could charge for instruction but that loophole in the rules quietly expired. Now an instructor has to go through a lengthy letter of deviation authority process which is not standardized across the FSDOs.

There used to be a guy in Florida that you could get a private multi engine ticket in an Aircam... not anymore.

I think that I'm throwing my lot in with these guys.

Bill

N84WJ, RV-8, 791hrs.

  rv-8.blogspot.com 

  Time: 09:02:35 AM PST US

Subject: Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)>

Hi Jason,

Thank you for your time in Afganistan and for sacrificing a good

portion of your life for those of us here typing e-mails.

Pascal hit a few key area, but there are a few more that should be

  brought up as well.

The EAA debate has been a long time coming.  It actually goes all the

way back to Paul Poberezny when there was a movement to remove him.

But in the past 3-4 years, the frustration with EAA has reached the

  boiling point for many members.

Long story short, since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization

the charter and image of EAA has made a dramatic shift away from their

core values.  The EAA has become focused on being the next AOPA

  politcally and they're focused on the money that can be made through

AirVenture.  I think it's great that AirVenture represents a strong

revenue stream for the organization.  But the organization has become

  focused on milking that stream and the memership community has paid

the price.  If 100% of the members disappeared tomorrow, the EAA would

still exist based on the airshow.  So the members are now second class

citizens in the organization.

Our efforts to participate in this years election were blocked by EAA

by being unresponsive and ignoring our requests for a simple ballot to

participate.  This is a right that is entitled to the membership

community within the bylaws.  But this right has not been made

  available to the membership.  As a result, the EAA holds nearly all of

the membership votes.  It's like the fox in the hen house in some

regards.

I love the EAA.  I am passionate about it.  I am a lifetime member.  I

  have served as a chapter VP and President.  As I sit here right now,

I'm wearing a red AirVenture 2009 polo.  I love the legacy EAA

culture, I love the EAA brand.  I really do care a lot about EAA.

Since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization, the EAA has seen

  nearly 50 employees walk out the door from the toxic environment that

Rod has created.  These are important people like Charlie Becker, Adam

Smith, Barry Elk, etc. Just yesterday, they lost HG Frautschy who is

an Executive Director who has spent 22 years as an employee of the

  organization.  The EAA culture as we know it is under attack from

within.

You might know Dick Kohler, he has taught a number of EAA SportAir

workshops and he is passionate about EAA.  You should read his

 comments at this link because he pretty much captures the environment

 that Rod has created.

http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=675101&postcount=122

Additional information can be found at this link containing comments

from EAA  Board Members who have resigned.  Here is a key comment if

you don't go read the entire link.

============

As Mike Dale put it was time for the Board to "grow up and start

  having the CEO work for the Board". I cannot be part of a rubber stamp

Board whose prime loyalty is to the Founder and President rather than

EAA members.

============

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=7d613991-adcb-426a-a210-5b7ee4112049

I hope you will consider supporting our effort.  We won't have enough

votes to change this election, but we will have enough to put a shot

across the bow of EAA's leadership.

Thanks,

Phil 

[quote]  

 Time: 09:02:35 AM PST US

 Subject: Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

 From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)>

 Hi Jason,

 Thank you for your time in Afganistan and for sacrificing a good

 portion of your life for those of us here typing e-mails.

 Pascal hit a few key area, but there are a few more that should be

 brought up as well.

 The EAA debate has been a long time coming.  It actually goes all the

 way back to Paul Poberezny when there was a movement to remove him.

 But in the past 3-4 years, the frustration with EAA has reached the

 boiling point for many members.

 Long story short, since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization

 the charter and image of EAA has made a dramatic shift away from their

 core values.  The EAA has become focused on being the next AOPA

 politcally and they're focused on the money that can be made through

 AirVenture.  I think it's great that AirVenture represents a strong

 revenue stream for the organization.  But the organization has become

 focused on milking that stream and the memership community has paid

 the price.  If 100% of the members disappeared tomorrow, the EAA would

 still exist based on the airshow.  So the members are now second class

 citizens in the organization.

 Our efforts to participate in this years election were blocked by EAA

 by being unresponsive and ignoring our requests for a simple ballot to

 participate.  This is a right that is entitled to the membership

 community within the bylaws.  But this right has not been made

 available to the membership.  As a result, the EAA holds nearly all of

 the membership votes.  It's like the fox in the hen house in some

 regards.

 I love the EAA.  I am passionate about it.  I am a lifetime member.  I

 have served as a chapter VP and President.  As I sit here right now,

 I'm wearing a red AirVenture 2009 polo.  I love the legacy EAA

 culture, I love the EAA brand.  I really do care a lot about EAA.

 Since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization, the EAA has seen

 nearly 50 employees walk out the door from the toxic environment that

 Rod has created.  These are important people like Charlie Becker, Adam

 Smith, Barry Elk, etc. Just yesterday, they lost HG Frautschy who is

 an Executive Director who has spent 22 years as an employee of the

 organization.  The EAA culture as we know it is under attack from

 within.

 You might know Dick Kohler, he has taught a number of EAA SportAir

 workshops and he is passionate about EAA.  You should read his

 comments at this link because he pretty much captures the environment

 that Rod has created.

 http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=675101&postcount=122

 Additional information can be found at this link containing comments

 from EAA  Board Members who have resigned.  Here is a key comment if

 you don't go read the entire link.

 ============

 As Mike Dale put it was time for the Board to "grow up and start

 having the CEO work for the Board". I cannot be part of a rubber stamp

 Board whose prime loyalty is to the Founder and President rather than

 EAA members.

 ============

 http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=7d613991-adcb-426a-a210-5b7ee4112049

 I hope you will consider supporting our effort.  We won't have enough

 votes to change this election, but we will have enough to put a shot

 across the bow of EAA's leadership.

 Thanks,

 Phil

 On 7/13/12, Pascal <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net (rv10flyer(at)verizon.net)> wrote:

 > Jason;

 > First off, that you for the sacrifice to leave the comforts and safety of

 > the US for our battle in Afghanistan. Its hard, been there, not Afghinstan

 > but another operation in 1990-1991. Thank you for your service!

 > I think you ask a very good question. Phil may not be able to answer it

 > completely but my initial thought is the folks writing articles for Sport

 > aviation are ex flying magazine writers who have no idea of what building a

 > plane is about, there was a meeting and their has been that combined

 > effort of AOPA and EAA to represent us with Lsa and other general flying

 > issues, good idea, sure! I would like to see the EAA fight for homebuilders

 > and not general aviation however.

 > My corporation does the same thing EAA does. Phil just wants members to have

 > more say on who is voted in versus the big kahuna at EAA himself.

 >

 > From: Jason Wodack

 > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 1:11 AM

 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

 > Subject: Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

 >

 > Phil,

 > I've been in Afghanistan for the last year, and therefore out of the loop

 > for a while.  I was just curious about what I was missing that has caused

 > such a reaction.

 >

 > I've seen claims of EAA not supporting home builders, and since I'm about to

 > start on an RV-10 at the end of this deployment, that concerns me.  I was

 > hoping you(or someone) could bring me up to speed on what I have missed, and

 > what the issues are that we are having.

 >

 > I admire your convition, and your willingness to take action.  I do n't want

 > to seem like I'm challenging you, but I do want to be well informed before I

 > make a decision,

 >

 > Thanks

 > Jason

 >

 >

 > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)>

 > wrote:

 >

 >   Hi Everyone,

 >

 >   If many of you follow =VAF=, you're probably aware that there is a

 > campaign within the EAA Membership community to participate in the upcoming

 > election of the EAA Board of Directors.  We figured that instead of just

 > complaining, we should actually participate in the democratic elections.

 >

 >   This simply idea led to more than 1 month of stone walling from the EAA.

 > Still to this day, they have not provided a simple document that allows

 > their members to participate in the election.  So we copied their language

 > that assigns the proxy rights to Rod Hightower and changed the name on it to

 > reflect me.  The EAA has admitted that this is a document that they can't

 > turn down at the elections in a few weeks.

 >

 >   In the past there were 3 choices for EAA members to participate in the

 > election:

 >

 >   1) They could choose not to participate.

 >   2) They could show up in person to cast their vote at the annual business

 > meeting.

 >   3) They could assign their vote to Rod Hightower.  (This is a check box on

 > your annual renewal)

 >

 >

 >   Long story short, the elections would look like 13 votes for some members

 > and 16,000 votes for those that Hightower wanted.  So they ended up being

 > appointments and not elections by the members.

 >

 >   I am receiving proxy forms from all over the globe and if you are

 > frustrated with the EAA, I would appreciate it if you would do that same

 > thing.  The form can be found at this link.

 >

 >

 >   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/EAA%20Member%20Proxy%20Statement.pdf

 >

 >

 >   You can send me a scanned copy or the original to:

 >

 >   Phillip W. Perry

 >   C/O David Carr

 >   1100 W Monroe St

 >   Austin, TX 78704

 >

 >

 >   Here are the votes we will be placing and the justification for selecting

 > them:

 >

 >   http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549&postcount=68

 >

 >

 >   Today the EAA retaliated against their members and sent out a link asking

 > them to assign proxy votes to Rod Hightower.  Please don't give total

 > control of EAA to the current membership and choose to put control of the

 > EAA back in the hands of the membership.  Here's some details on that

 > message:

 >

 >   http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=679285

 >

 >

 >   Please don't assign your proxy to the EAA Leadership, and if you feel

 > compelled I would be honored to carry your proxy vote forward at the

 > business meeting at AirVenture.  This is the first time (that I'm aware of)

 > in the history of EAA that the members have found a way to legitimately

 > participate.

 >

 >   We need to get this word out to everyone who supports the effort ASAP.  So

 > if you agree, please highlight this proxy effort and share the message on

 > every message board you can before some unknowing soul gives his vote to Rod

 > Hightower and his buddies.

 >

 >   We are going to be continuing this effort going into 2013 too and can use

 > your support and even you active participation.

 >

 >   Thanks,

 >   Phil Perry

 >

 >   RV-10 #40750

 >   EAA Lifetime Member

 >

 >

 > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

 > tp://forums.matronics.com

 > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution

 >

 >

[b]

Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 885
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:19 am Post subject: Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

Bill,



As an RV10 owner, and CFI, I'd like to comment on your comments.



Here at the OAK FSDO getting a LODA for type-specific training was not effortless, but not that difficult either. The key is telling them someone else has already done this (they never want to set precedents). Once I gave them an N number (off Van's list) everything went smoothly.



I would, personally, love to give instrument instruction or Flight Reviews in my aircraft, but, as you pointed out, my LODA does not allow this. However, I do understand the FAA's position. The LODA is a waiver on the "no use for compensation or hire" clause. The FAA feels it has a duty to protect the public and it is very resistant to allowing E-AB aircraft to be held out to the public for hire. This does cause a different problem: giving only type specific instruction, there isn't enough business to justify the insurance cost, so I have decided, in general, not to do it (or only on a case by case basis, where I can get the pilot on my current insurance). This is an issue, but the FAA doesn't see it as their issue.

_________________
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB

rv10pro(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:30 pm Post subject: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

Will be (at) OSH. 

503-453-6016 On Jul 14, 2012 6:49 AM, "Phillip Perry" <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:[quote] John,

Are you going to be at the lifetime members banquet on Tues or attending the annual business meeting on Saturday morning?

Here is some commentary I put together for the folks I am representing.  We clearly won't have enough votes to move the election in any specific direction, so our strategy for this year is to simply cast a vote that reflects our loss of confidence in the management.  Even though we won't have the votes to move the election, we will have enough votes to put a reasonable shot across the bow.

For those of you who can attend the meeting at AirVenture on Saturday, I'd encourage you to do so.  Apparently these meetings typically have 50 people attending and most of them are family members of the candidates.  If you're dissatisfied and can be there, you need to be there.  It's your responsibility to be there, be seen, and cast your own vote.  Otherwise, the next best thing is to assign your proxy to me and I'll respectfully do it for you.

Commentary below.

Thanks,

Phil

====================

The most relevant piece of information involves the five Class I  Director seats that are coming open as well as additional information  related to the nine candidates.   The biographies provided in Sport  Aviation might be accurate, but there are some key details missing in a  few of them.   

 After some research, we found that five of the nine candidates are  current EAA Class I Directors.  This information is explicitly called  out in two bios and only hinted-to in Alan Shackleton’s bio.

   The five members of the board who are running for re-election are:

   	  Quote: 	
		    Barry Davis

   John (Jack) Harrington

   David Lau

   Dan Schwinn

   Alan Shackleton 	
  The discovery of this information made  us rethink the initial recommendations for vote distribution and that  initiated a lengthy discussion about voting strategy.

   The EAA’s lack of transparency (Lack of meeting minutes, no published  voting records, etc.) doesn’t allow us to evaluate each board member on  their individual merit.   Based on the state of affairs at EAA, it is  hard for us to confidently vote for any of these individuals.  I’m sure  there are a few respectable folks in here, but that can’t be determined  because of the lack of transparency.  This is the same lack of  transparency they are responsible for creating/maintaining.

   After our discussion and the revelation that 5 of the 9 candidates are  running for re-election within all 5 open seats, I have decided to  adjust my own recommendations to vote for the 4 candidates who are not  members of the current board of directors and leave our 5th vote  unassigned.  

 This means our five votes would be for: 	  Quote: 	
		    Doug Crumrine

   Ethan Martin

   Dave Morss

   Steven Oxman

   Open: No Vote Placed 	
  While some would argue this isn’t  an optimal list, it is the only list of candidates we have to choose  from and it still provides some balance between Homebuilders, Vintage,  Warbirds, and Certified GA.  But most importantly a vote for these men  represents a vote in favor of fresh ideas and leadership when compared  to the current collection of Class I Directors.

    ===============

 Thanks,

 Phil

On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 7:50 AM, John Cox <rv10pro(at)gmail.com (rv10pro(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

As a Lifetime member who joined "Just before. The Roust of 2009-2010", I still await word of those candidates we can vote for rather than proxy the continued "AOPA like" decline and unresponsiveness of EAA towards its builders.  Can you advise whom to vote for?    

John Cox On Jul 13, 2012 9:05 AM, "Phillip Perry" <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		     --> RV10-List message posted by: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)>

 Hi Jason,

 Thank you for your time in Afganistan and for sacrificing a good

 portion of your life for those of us here typing e-mails.

 Pascal hit a few key area, but there are a few more that should be

 brought up as well.

 The EAA debate has been a long time coming.  It actually goes all the

 way back to Paul Poberezny when there was a movement to remove him.

 But in the past 3-4 years, the frustration with EAA has reached the

 boiling point for many members.

 Long story short, since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization

 the charter and image of EAA has made a dramatic shift away from their

 core values.  The EAA has become focused on being the next AOPA

 politcally and they're focused on the money that can be made through

 AirVenture.  I think it's great that AirVenture represents a strong

 revenue stream for the organization.  But the organization has become

 focused on milking that stream and the memership community has paid

 the price.  If 100% of the members disappeared tomorrow, the EAA would

 still exist based on the airshow.  So the members are now second class

 citizens in the organization.

 Our efforts to participate in this years election were blocked by EAA

 by being unresponsive and ignoring our requests for a simple ballot to

 participate.  This is a right that is entitled to the membership

 community within the bylaws.  But this right has not been made

 available to the membership.  As a result, the EAA holds nearly all of

 the membership votes.  It's like the fox in the hen house in some

 regards.

 I love the EAA.  I am passionate about it.  I am a lifetime member.  I

 have served as a chapter VP and President.  As I sit here right now,

 I'm wearing a red AirVenture 2009 polo.  I love the legacy EAA

 culture, I love the EAA brand.  I really do care a lot about EAA.

 Since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization, the EAA has seen

 nearly 50 employees walk out the door from the toxic environment that

 Rod has created.  These are important people like Charlie Becker, Adam

 Smith, Barry Elk, etc. Just yesterday, they lost HG Frautschy who is

 an Executive Director who has spent 22 years as an employee of the

 organization.  The EAA culture as we know it is under attack from

 within.

 You might know Dick Kohler, he has taught a number of EAA SportAir

 workshops and he is passionate about EAA.  You should read his

 comments at this link because he pretty much captures the environment

 that Rod has created.

 http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=675101&postcount=122

 Additional information can be found at this link containing comments

 from EAA  Board Members who have resigned.  Here is a key comment if

 you don't go read the entire link.

 =============

 As Mike Dale put it was time for the Board to "grow up and start

 having the CEO work for the Board". I cannot be part of a rubber stamp

 Board whose prime loyalty is to the Founder and President rather than

 EAA members.

 =============

 http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=7d613991-adcb-426a-a210-5b7ee4112049

 I hope you will consider supporting our effort.  We won't have enough

 votes to change this election, but we will have enough to put a shot

 across the bow of EAA's leadership.

 Thanks,

 Phil

 On 7/13/12, Pascal <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net (rv10flyer(at)verizon.net)> wrote:

 > Jason;

 > First off, that you for the sacrifice to leave the comforts and safety of

 > the US for our battle in Afghanistan. It’s hard, been there, not Afghinstan

 > but another “operation in 1990-1991. Thank you for your service!

 > I think you ask a very good question. Phil may not be able to answer it

 > completely but my initial thought is the folks writing articles for Sport

 > aviation are ex flying magazine writers who have no idea of what building a

 > plane is about, there was a meeting and their has been that “combined”

 > effort of AOPA and EAA to represent us with Lsa and other general flying

 > issues, good idea, sure! I would like to see the EAA fight for homebuilders

 > and not general aviation however.

 > My corporation does the same thing EAA does. Phil just wants members to have

 > more say on who is voted in versus the big kahuna at EAA himself.

 >

 > From: Jason Wodack

 > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 1:11 AM

 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

 > Subject: Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

 >

 > Phil,

 > I've been in Afghanistan for the last year, and therefore out of the loop

 > for a while.  I was just curious about what I was missing that has caused

 > such a reaction.

 >

 > I've seen claims of EAA not supporting home builders, and since I'm about to

 > start on an RV-10 at the end of this deployment, that concerns me.  I was

 > hoping you(or someone) could bring me up to speed on what I have missed, and

 > what the issues are that we are having.

 >

 > I admire your convition, and your willingness to take action.  I do n't want

 > to seem like I'm challenging you, but I do want to be well informed before I

 > make a decision,

 >

 > Thanks

 > Jason

 >

 >

 > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)>

 > wrote:

 >

 >   Hi Everyone,

 >

 >   If many of you follow =VAF=, you're probably aware that there is a

 > campaign within the EAA Membership community to participate in the upcoming

 > election of the EAA Board of Directors.  We figured that instead of just

 > complaining, we should actually participate in the democratic elections.

 >

 >   This simply idea led to more than 1 month of stone walling from the EAA.

 > Still to this day, they have not provided a simple document that allows

 > their members to participate in the election.  So we copied their language

 > that assigns the proxy rights to Rod Hightower and changed the name on it to

 > reflect me.  The EAA has admitted that this is a document that they can't

 > turn down at the elections in a few weeks.

 >

 >   In the past there were 3 choices for EAA members to participate in the

 > election:

 >

 >   1) They could choose not to participate.

 >   2) They could show up in person to cast their vote at the annual business

 > meeting.

 >   3) They could assign their vote to Rod Hightower.  (This is a check box on

 > your annual renewal)

 >

 >

 >   Long story short, the elections would look like 13 votes for some members

 > and 16,000 votes for those that Hightower wanted.  So they ended up being

 > appointments and not elections by the members.

 >

 >   I am receiving proxy forms from all over the globe and if you are

 > frustrated with the EAA, I would appreciate it if you would do that same

 > thing.  The form can be found at this link.

 >

 >

 >   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/EAA%20Member%20Proxy%20Statement.pdf

 >

 >

 >   You can send me a scanned copy or the original to:

 >

 >   Phillip W. Perry

 >   C/O David Carr

 >   1100 W Monroe St

 >   Austin, TX 78704

 >

 >

 >   Here are the votes we will be placing and the justification for selecting

 > them:

 >

 >   http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549&postcount=68

 >

 >

 >   Today the EAA retaliated against their members and sent out a link asking

 > them to assign proxy votes to Rod Hightower.  Please don't give total

 > control of EAA to the current membership and choose to put control of the

 > EAA back in the hands of the membership.  Here's some details on that

 > message:

 >

 >   http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=679285

 >

 >

 >   Please don't assign your proxy to the EAA Leadership, and if you feel

 > compelled I would be honored to carry your proxy vote forward at the

 > business meeting at AirVenture.  This is the first time (that I'm aware of)

 > in the history of EAA that the members have found a way to legitimately

 > participate.

 >

 >   We need to get this word out to everyone who supports the effort ASAP.  So

 > if you agree, please highlight this proxy effort and share the message on

 > every message board you can before some unknowing soul gives his vote to Rod

 > Hightower and his buddies.

 >

 >   We are going to be continuing this effort going into 2013 too and can use

 > your support and even you active participation.

 >

 >   Thanks,

 >   Phil Perry

 >

 >   RV-10 #40750

 >   EAA Lifetime Member

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

 > tp://forums.matronics.com

 > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 ===========

 arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

 ===========

 http://forums.matronics.com

 ===========

 le, List Admin.

 ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution

 ===========

   	  Quote: 	

get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

tp://forums.matronics.com

_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution

get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

tp://forums.matronics.com

_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution

[b]

davidsoutpost(at)comcast.
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:10 am Post subject: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

Looks like DR over on the VansAirforce Forum closed out and put the kybash on any talk of the EAA and its current direction classifying it as "politics" which is against forum rules.  What a shame considering it is one of the largest EXPIMENTAL aviation forum's  and what better avenue to organize the homebuilder base.  Its his sandbox though so,,,,,,,,,,,,.  

David Clifford

RV-10 Builder

Howell,  MI

From: "John Cox" <rv10pro(at)gmail.com>

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 4:29:12 PM

Subject: Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

Will be (at) OSH. 

503-453-6016 On Jul 14, 2012 6:49 AM, "Phillip Perry" <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote] John,

Are you going to be at the lifetime members banquet on Tues or attending the annual business meeting on Saturday morning?

Here is some commentary I put together for the folks I am representing.  We clearly won't have enough votes to move the election in any specific direction, so our strategy for this year is to simply cast a vote that reflects our loss of confidence in the management.  Even though we won't have the votes to move the election, we will have enough votes to put a reasonable shot across the bow.

For those of you who can attend the meeting at AirVenture on Saturday, I'd encourage you to do so.  Apparently these meetings typically have 50 people attending and most of them are family members of the candidates.  If you're dissatisfied and can be there, you need to be there.  It's your responsibility to be there, be seen, and cast your own vote.  Otherwise, the next best thing is to assign your proxy to me and I'll respectfully do it for you.

Commentary below.

Thanks,

Phil

====================

The most relevant piece of information involves the five Class I  Director seats that are coming open as well as additional information  related to the nine candidates.   The biographies provided in Sport  Aviation might be accurate, but there are some key details missing in a  few of them.   

 After some research, we found that five of the nine candidates are  current EAA Class I Directors.  This information is explicitly called  out in two bios and only hinted-to in Alan Shackletonâ€™s bio.

   The five members of the board who are running for re-election are:

   	  Quote: 	
		    Barry Davis

   John (Jack) Harrington

   David Lau

   Dan Schwinn

   Alan Shackleton 	
  The discovery of this information made  us rethink the initial recommendations for vote distribution and that  initiated a lengthy discussion about voting strategy.

   The EAAâ€™s lack of transparency (Lack of meeting minutes, no published  voting records, etc.) doesnâ€™t allow us to evaluate each board member on  their individual merit.   Based on the state of affairs at EAA, it is  hard for us to confidently vote for any of these individuals.  Iâ€™m sure  there are a few respectable folks in here, but that canâ€™t be determined  because of the lack of transparency.  This is the same lack of  transparency they are responsible for creating/maintaining.

   After our discussion and the revelation that 5 of the 9 candidates are  running for re-election within all 5 open seats, I have decided to  adjust my own recommendations to vote for the 4 candidates who are not  members of the current board of directors and leave our 5th vote  unassigned.  

 This means our five votes would be for: 	  Quote: 	
		    Doug Crumrine

   Ethan Martin

   Dave Morss

   Steven Oxman

   Open: No Vote Placed 	
  While some would argue this isnâ€™t  an optimal list, it is the only list of candidates we have to choose  from and it still provides some balance between Homebuilders, Vintage,  Warbirds, and Certified GA.  But most importantly a vote for these men  represents a vote in favor of fresh ideas and leadership when compared  to the current collection of Class I Directors.

    ===============

 Thanks,

 Phil

On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 7:50 AM, John Cox <rv10pro(at)gmail.com (rv10pro(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

As a Lifetime member who joined "Just before. The Roust of 2009-2010", I still await word of those candidates we can vote for rather than proxy the continued "AOPA like" decline and unresponsiveness of EAA towards its builders.  Can you advise whom to vote for?    

John Cox On Jul 13, 2012 9:05 AM, "Phillip Perry" <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		     --> RV10-List message posted by: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)>

 Hi Jason,

 Thank you for your time in Afganistan and for sacrificing a good

 portion of your life for those of us here typing e-mails.

 Pascal hit a few key area, but there are a few more that should be

 brought up as well.

 The EAA debate has been a long time coming.  It actually goes all the

 way back to Paul Poberezny when there was a movement to remove him.

 But in the past 3-4 years, the frustration with EAA has reached the

 boiling point for many members.

 Long story short, since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization

 the charter and image of EAA has made a dramatic shift away from their

 core values.  The EAA has become focused on being the next AOPA

 politcally and they're focused on the money that can be made through

 AirVenture.  I think it's great that AirVenture represents a strong

 revenue stream for the organization.  But the organization has become

 focused on milking that stream and the memership community has paid

 the price.  If 100% of the members disappeared tomorrow, the EAA would

 still exist based on the airshow.  So the members are now second class

 citizens in the organization.

 Our efforts to participate in this years election were blocked by EAA

 by being unresponsive and ignoring our requests for a simple ballot to

 participate.  This is a right that is entitled to the membership

 community within the bylaws.  But this right has not been made

 available to the membership.  As a result, the EAA holds nearly all of

 the membership votes.  It's like the fox in the hen house in some

 regards.

 I love the EAA.  I am passionate about it.  I am a lifetime member.  I

 have served as a chapter VP and President.  As I sit here right now,

 I'm wearing a red AirVenture 2009 polo.  I love the legacy EAA

 culture, I love the EAA brand.  I really do care a lot about EAA.

 Since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization, the EAA has seen

 nearly 50 employees walk out the door from the toxic environment that

 Rod has created.  These are important people like Charlie Becker, Adam

 Smith, Barry Elk, etc. Just yesterday, they lost HG Frautschy who is

 an Executive Director who has spent 22 years as an employee of the

 organization.  The EAA culture as we know it is under attack from

 within.

 You might know Dick Kohler, he has taught a number of EAA SportAir

 workshops and he is passionate about EAA.  You should read his

 comments at this link because he pretty much captures the environment

 that Rod has created.

 http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=675101&postcount=122

 Additional information can be found at this link containing comments

 from EAA  Board Members who have resigned.  Here is a key comment if

 you don't go read the entire link.

 =============

 As Mike Dale put it was time for the Board to "grow up and start

 having the CEO work for the Board". I cannot be part of a rubber stamp

 Board whose prime loyalty is to the Founder and President rather than

 EAA members.

 =============

 http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=7d613991-adcb-426a-a210-5b7ee4112049

 I hope you will consider supporting our effort.  We won't have enough

 votes to change this election, but we will have enough to put a shot

 across the bow of EAA's leadership.

 Thanks,

 Phil

 On 7/13/12, Pascal <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net (rv10flyer(at)verizon.net)> wrote:

 > Jason;

 > First off, that you for the sacrifice to leave the comforts and safety of

 > the US for our battle in Afghanistan. Itâ€™s hard, been there, not Afghinstan

 > but another â€œoperation in 1990-1991. Thank you for your service!

 > I think you ask a very good question. Phil may not be able to answer it

 > completely but my initial thought is the folks writing articles for Sport

 > aviation are ex flying magazine writers who have no idea of what building a

 > plane is about, there was a meeting and their has been that â€œcombinedâ€

 > effort of AOPA and EAA to represent us with Lsa and other general flying

 > issues, good idea, sure! I would like to see the EAA fight for homebuilders

 > and not general aviation however.

 > My corporation does the same thing EAA does. Phil just wants members to have

 > more say on who is voted in versus the big kahuna at EAA himself.

 >

 > From: Jason Wodack

 > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 1:11 AM

 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

 > Subject: Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

 >

 > Phil,

 > I've been in Afghanistan for the last year, and therefore out of the loop

 > for a while.  I was just curious about what I was missing that has caused

 > such a reaction.

 >

 > I've seen claims of EAA not supporting home builders, and since I'm about to

 > start on an RV-10 at the end of this deployment, that concerns me.  I was

 > hoping you(or someone) could bring me up to speed on what I have missed, and

 > what the issues are that we are having.

 >

 > I admire your convition, and your willingness to take action.  I do n't want

 > to seem like I'm challenging you, but I do want to be well informed before I

 > make a decision,

 >

 > Thanks

 > Jason

 >

 >

 > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)>

 > wrote:

 >

 >   Hi Everyone,

 >

 >   If many of you follow =VAF=, you're probably aware that there is a

 > campaign within the EAA Membership community to participate in the upcoming

 > election of the EAA Board of Directors.  We figured that instead of just

 > complaining, we should actually participate in the democratic elections.

 >

 >   This simply idea led to more than 1 month of stone walling from the EAA.

 > Still to this day, they have not provided a simple document that allows

 > their members to participate in the election.  So we copied their language

 > that assigns the proxy rights to Rod Hightower and changed the name on it to

 > reflect me.  The EAA has admitted that this is a document that they can't

 > turn down at the elections in a few weeks.

 >

 >   In the past there were 3 choices for EAA members to participate in the

 > election:

 >

 >   1) They could choose not to participate.

 >   2) They could show up in person to cast their vote at the annual business

 > meeting.

 >   3) They could assign their vote to Rod Hightower.  (This is a check box on

 > your annual renewal)

 >

 >

 >   Long story short, the elections would look like 13 votes for some members

 > and 16,000 votes for those that Hightower wanted.  So they ended up being

 > appointments and not elections by the members.

 >

 >   I am receiving proxy forms from all over the globe and if you are

 > frustrated with the EAA, I would appreciate it if you would do that same

 > thing.  The form can be found at this link.

 >

 >

 >   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/EAA%20Member%20Proxy%20Statement.pdf

 >

 >

 >   You can send me a scanned copy or the original to:

 >

 >   Phillip W. Perry

 >   C/O David Carr

 >   1100 W Monroe St

 >   Austin, TX 78704

 >

 >

 >   Here are the votes we will be placing and the justification for selecting

 > them:

 >

 >   http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549&postcount=68

 >

 >

 >   Today the EAA retaliated against their members and sent out a link asking

 > them to assign proxy votes to Rod Hightower.  Please don't give total

 > control of EAA to the current membership and choose to put control of the

 > EAA back in the hands of the membership.  Here's some details on that

 > message:

 >

 >   http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=679285

 >

 >

 >   Please don't assign your proxy to the EAA Leadership, and if you feel

 > compelled I would be honored to carry your proxy vote forward at the

 > business meeting at AirVenture.  This is the first time (that I'm aware of)

 > in the history of EAA that the members have found a way to legitimately

 > participate.

 >

 >   We need to get this word out to everyone who supports the effort ASAP.  So

 > if you agree, please highlight this proxy effort and share the message on

 > every message board you can before some unknowing soul gives his vote to Rod

 > Hightower and his buddies.

 >

 >   We are going to be continuing this effort going into 2013 too and can use

 > your support and even you active participation.

 >

 >   Thanks,

 >   Phil Perry

 >

 >   RV-10 #40750

 >   EAA Lifetime Member

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

 > tp://forums.matronics.com

 > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 ===========

 arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

 ===========

 http://forums.matronics.com

 ===========

 le, List Admin.

 ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution

 ===========

   	  Quote: 	

get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

tp://forums.matronics.com

_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution

get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

tp://forums.matronics.com

_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution

get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

tp://forums.matronics.com

_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution

[b]

philperry9

Joined: 23 Nov 2011
Posts: 381

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:43 am Post subject: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

Yeah it's a disappointing to see that the thread went from supported to unsupported on VAF overnight.  



We're going to keep pushing the effort though.  There are a handful of us looking for some alternative ways to spread the word.  It's only a setback and not the end.  We'll gain ground some days and lose ground on others.

 

But the internet is much larger than Doug's website, so don't give up yet.  Doug's site is just where it got started.



Phil

  [quote][b]

rv10flyer(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:03 am Post subject: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

Keep the faith Phil, by your actions itâ€™s a step to show that some members  want change. I would expect there to be pushback. It does sound like Politics,  EAA choses who they want and say they are doing it on behalf of the members. You  are just trying to actually make that happen.

 Thanks!

  

   From: Phillip Perry (philperry9(at)gmail.com) 

 Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 6:43 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: Re: Urgent: EAA Members -  Action!

  



 Yeah  it's a disappointing to see that the thread went from supported to unsupported  on VAF overnight.  



We're going to keep pushing the effort  though.  There are a handful of us looking for some alternative ways to  spread the word.  It's only a setback and not the end.  We'll gain  ground some days and lose ground on others.



But the internet is much  larger than Doug's website, so don't give up yet.  Doug's site is just  where it got started.



Phil

[quote]



href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com

href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c

[b]

michael(at)sausen.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:49 am Post subject: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

  Some things never change over there.  This is why when he shut down the old Yahoo forums several of us instead decided to put our support behind Matronics  which is truly donation supported vs. the high $$ revenue he receives from advertisers.  He still passes the tin cup around with the â€˜poor ole me and my little websiteâ€™ rhetoric while prohibiting anyone that sells a product from contributing to any discussions  without coughing up considerably first.  I drew the line when my posts were edited, not deleted, edited to remove any criticism of his censoring practices back during the Yahoo days.  I probably wouldnâ€™t care if he would drop the my site needs your donation  BS and just ran it as ad supported like it really is.  Glad we were able to keep this group going for open discussion, even if we do get off topic occasionally. 

Off soapbox  

Do not archive 

Michael 

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net

 Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 8:09 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action! 

Looks like DR over on the VansAirforce Forum closed out and put the kybash on any talk of the EAA and its current direction classifying it as "politics"  which is against forum rules.  What a shame considering it is one of the largest EXPIMENTAL aviation forum's  and what better avenue to organize the homebuilder base.  Its his sandbox though so,,,,,,,,,,,,.    

David Clifford

 RV-10 Builder

 Howell,  MI

From: "John Cox" <rv10pro(at)gmail.com (rv10pro(at)gmail.com)>

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

 Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 4:29:12 PM

 Subject: Re: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action! 

Will be (at) OSH. 

503-453-6016  

On Jul 14, 2012 6:49 AM, "Phillip Perry" <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote: 

John,

 Are you going to be at the lifetime members banquet on Tues or attending the annual business meeting on Saturday morning?

 Here is some commentary I put together for the folks I am representing.  We clearly won't have enough votes to move the election in any specific direction, so our strategy for this year is to simply cast a vote that reflects our loss of confidence in the management.   Even though we won't have the votes to move the election, we will have enough votes to put a reasonable shot across the bow.

 For those of you who can attend the meeting at AirVenture on Saturday, I'd encourage you to do so.  Apparently these meetings typically have 50 people attending and most of them are family members of the candidates.  If you're dissatisfied and can be there,  you need to be there.  It's your responsibility to be there, be seen, and cast your own vote.  Otherwise, the next best thing is to assign your proxy to me and I'll respectfully do it for you.

 Commentary below.

 Thanks,

 Phil

 ====================

 The most relevant piece of information involves the five Class I Director seats that are coming open as well as additional information related to the nine candidates. The biographies provided in Sport Aviation might be accurate, but there are some key details  missing in a few of them. 

 After some research, we found that five of the nine candidates are current EAA Class I Directors. This information is explicitly called out in two bios and only hinted-to in Alan Shackletonâ€™s bio.

 The five members of the board who are running for re-election are: 

Barry Davis

 John (Jack) Harrington

 David Lau

 Dan Schwinn

 Alan Shackleton 

The discovery of this information made us rethink the initial recommendations for vote distribution and that initiated a lengthy discussion about voting strategy.

 The EAAâ€™s lack of transparency (Lack of meeting minutes, no published voting records, etc.) doesnâ€™t allow us to evaluate each board member on their individual merit. Based on the state of affairs at EAA, it is hard for us to confidently vote for any of these  individuals. Iâ€™m sure there are a few respectable folks in here, but that canâ€™t be determined because of the lack of transparency. This is the same lack of transparency they are responsible for creating/maintaining.

 After our discussion and the revelation that 5 of the 9 candidates are running for re-election within all 5 open seats, I have decided to adjust my own recommendations to vote for the 4 candidates who are not members of the current board of directors and leave  our 5th vote unassigned. 

 This means our five votes would be for: 

Doug Crumrine

 Ethan Martin

 Dave Morss

 Steven Oxman

 Open: No Vote Placed 

While some would argue this isnâ€™t an optimal list, it is the only list of candidates we have to choose from and it still provides some balance between  Homebuilders, Vintage, Warbirds, and Certified GA. But most importantly a vote for these men represents a vote in favor of fresh ideas and leadership when compared to the current collection of Class I Directors.

 ===============

 Thanks,

 Phil

On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 7:50 AM, John Cox <rv10pro(at)gmail.com (rv10pro(at)gmail.com)> wrote: 

As a Lifetime member who joined "Just before. The Roust of 2009-2010", I still await word of those candidates we can vote for rather than proxy the continued "AOPA like" decline and unresponsiveness  of EAA towards its builders.  Can you advise whom to vote for? 

John Cox  

On Jul 13, 2012 9:05 AM, "Phillip Perry" <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote: 

--> RV10-List message posted by: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)>   

 Hi Jason,

 Thank you for your time in Afganistan and for sacrificing a good

 portion of your life for those of us here typing e-mails.

 Pascal hit a few key area, but there are a few more that should be

 brought up as well.

 The EAA debate has been a long time coming.  It actually goes all the

 way back to Paul Poberezny when there was a movement to remove him.

 But in the past 3-4 years, the frustration with EAA has reached the

 boiling point for many members.

 Long story short, since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization

 the charter and image of EAA has made a dramatic shift away from their

 core values.  The EAA has become focused on being the next AOPA

 politcally and they're focused on the money that can be made through

 AirVenture.  I think it's great that AirVenture represents a strong

 revenue stream for the organization.  But the organization has become

 focused on milking that stream and the memership community has paid

 the price.  If 100% of the members disappeared tomorrow, the EAA would

 still exist based on the airshow.  So the members are now second class

 citizens in the organization.

 Our efforts to participate in this years election were blocked by EAA

 by being unresponsive and ignoring our requests for a simple ballot to

 participate.  This is a right that is entitled to the membership

 community within the bylaws.  But this right has not been made

 available to the membership.  As a result, the EAA holds nearly all of

 the membership votes.  It's like the fox in the hen house in some

 regards.

 I love the EAA.  I am passionate about it.  I am a lifetime member.  I

 have served as a chapter VP and President.  As I sit here right now,

 I'm wearing a red AirVenture 2009 polo.  I love the legacy EAA

 culture, I love the EAA brand.  I really do care a lot about EAA.

 Since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization, the EAA has seen

 nearly 50 employees walk out the door from the toxic environment that

 Rod has created.  These are important people like Charlie Becker, Adam

 Smith, Barry Elk, etc. Just yesterday, they lost HG Frautschy who is

 an Executive Director who has spent 22 years as an employee of the

 organization.  The EAA culture as we know it is under attack from

 within.

 You might know Dick Kohler, he has taught a number of EAA SportAir

 workshops and he is passionate about EAA.  You should read his

 comments at this link because he pretty much captures the environment

 that Rod has created.

 http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=675101&postcount=122

 Additional information can be found at this link containing comments

 from EAA  Board Members who have resigned.  Here is a key comment if

 you don't go read the entire link.

 =============

 As Mike Dale put it was time for the Board to "grow up and start

 having the CEO work for the Board". I cannot be part of a rubber stamp

 Board whose prime loyalty is to the Founder and President rather than

 EAA members.

 =============

 http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=7d613991-adcb-426a-a210-5b7ee4112049

 I hope you will consider supporting our effort.  We won't have enough

 votes to change this election, but we will have enough to put a shot

 across the bow of EAA's leadership.

 Thanks,

 Phil

 On 7/13/12, Pascal <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net (rv10flyer(at)verizon.net)> wrote:

 > Jason;

 > First off, that you for the sacrifice to leave the comforts and safety of

 > the US for our battle in Afghanistan. Itâ€™s hard, been there, not Afghinstan

 > but another â€œoperation in 1990-1991. Thank you for your service!

 > I think you ask a very good question. Phil may not be able to answer it

 > completely but my initial thought is the folks writing articles for Sport

 > aviation are ex flying magazine writers who have no idea of what building a

 > plane is about, there was a meeting and their has been that â€œcombinedâ€

 > effort of AOPA and EAA to represent us with Lsa and other general flying

 > issues, good idea, sure! I would like to see the EAA fight for homebuilders

 > and not general aviation however.

 > My corporation does the same thing EAA does. Phil just wants members to have

 > more say on who is voted in versus the big kahuna at EAA himself.

 >

 > From: Jason Wodack

 > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 1:11 AM

 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

 > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

 >

 > Phil,

 > I've been in Afghanistan for the last year, and therefore out of the loop

 > for a while.  I was just curious about what I was missing that has caused

 > such a reaction.

 >

 > I've seen claims of EAA not supporting home builders, and since I'm about to

 > start on an RV-10 at the end of this deployment, that concerns me.  I was

 > hoping you(or someone) could bring me up to speed on what I have missed, and

 > what the issues are that we are having.

 >

 > I admire your convition, and your willingness to take action.  I do n't want

 > to seem like I'm challenging you, but I do want to be well informed before I

 > make a decision,

 >

 > Thanks

 > Jason

 >

 >

 > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)>

 > wrote:

 >

 >   Hi Everyone,

 >

 >   If many of you follow =VAF=, you're probably aware that there is a

 > campaign within the EAA Membership community to participate in the upcoming

 > election of the EAA Board of Directors.  We figured that instead of just

 > complaining, we should actually participate in the democratic elections.

 >

 >   This simply idea led to more than 1 month of stone walling from the EAA.

 > Still to this day, they have not provided a simple document that allows

 > their members to participate in the election.  So we copied their language

 > that assigns the proxy rights to Rod Hightower and changed the name on it to

 > reflect me.  The EAA has admitted that this is a document that they can't

 > turn down at the elections in a few weeks.

 >

 >   In the past there were 3 choices for EAA members to participate in the

 > election:

 >

 >   1) They could choose not to participate.

 >   2) They could show up in person to cast their vote at the annual business

 > meeting.

 >   3) They could assign their vote to Rod Hightower.  (This is a check box on

 > your annual renewal)

 >

 >

 >   Long story short, the elections would look like 13 votes for some members

 > and 16,000 votes for those that Hightower wanted.  So they ended up being

 > appointments and not elections by the members.

 >

 >   I am receiving proxy forms from all over the globe and if you are

 > frustrated with the EAA, I would appreciate it if you would do that same

 > thing.  The form can be found at this link.

 >

 >

 >    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/EAA%20Member%20Proxy%20Statement.pdf

 >

 >

 >   You can send me a scanned copy or the original to:

 >

 >   Phillip W. Perry

 >   C/O David Carr

 >   1100 W Monroe St

 >   Austin, TX 78704

 >

 >

 >   Here are the votes we will be placing and the justification for selecting

 > them:

 >

 >    http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549&postcount=68

 >

 >

 >   Today the EAA retaliated against their members and sent out a link asking

 > them to assign proxy votes to Rod Hightower.  Please don't give total

 > control of EAA to the current membership and choose to put control of the

 > EAA back in the hands of the membership.  Here's some details on that

 > message:

 >

 >    http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=679285

 >

 >

 >   Please don't assign your proxy to the EAA Leadership, and if you feel

 > compelled I would be honored to carry your proxy vote forward at the

 > business meeting at AirVenture.  This is the first time (that I'm aware of)

 > in the history of EAA that the members have found a way to legitimately

 > participate.

 >

 >   We need to get this word out to everyone who supports the effort ASAP.  So

 > if you agree, please highlight this proxy effort and share the message on

 > every message board you can before some unknowing soul gives his vote to Rod

 > Hightower and his buddies.

 >

 >   We are going to be continuing this effort going into 2013 too and can use

 > your support and even you active participation.

 >

 >   Thanks,

 >   Phil Perry

 >

 >   RV-10 #40750

 >   EAA Lifetime Member

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

 > tp://forums.matronics.com

 > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

===========

 arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

 ===========

 http://forums.matronics.com

 ===========

 le, List Admin.

 ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution

 ===========

    	  Quote: 	
		    get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listtp://forums.matronics.com_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution  	

   	  Quote: 	
		    get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listtp://forums.matronics.com  	
0  	  Quote: 	

1 

  	  Quote: 	

2  	  Quote: 	

3  	  Quote: 	

4  	  Quote: 	

5  	  Quote: 	

6  	  Quote: 	

7 

  	  Quote: 	

8  	  Quote: 	

9  	  Quote: 	
		  get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List 	
0  	  Quote: 	
		  get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List 	
1  	  Quote: 	
		  get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List 	
2  	  Quote: 	
		  get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List 	
3  	  Quote: 	
		  get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List 	
4  	  Quote: 	
		  get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List 	
5  	  Quote: 	
		  get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List 	
6  	  Quote: 	
		  get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List 	
7  	  Quote: 	
		  get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List 	
8  	  Quote: 	
		  get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List 	
9  	  Quote: 	
		  tp://forums.matronics.com 	
0  	  Quote: 	
		  tp://forums.matronics.com 	
1  	  Quote: 	
		  tp://forums.matronics.com 	
2  	  Quote: 	
		  tp://forums.matronics.com 	
3  	  Quote: 	
		  tp://forums.matronics.com 	
4  	  Quote: 	
		  tp://forums.matronics.com 	
5  	  Quote: 	
		  tp://forums.matronics.com 	
6  	  Quote: 	
		  tp://forums.matronics.com 	
7  	  Quote: 	
		  tp://forums.matronics.com 	
8  	  Quote: 	
		  tp://forums.matronics.com 	
9  	  Quote: 	
		  _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution 	
0  	  Quote: 	
		  _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution 	
1

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:11 pm Post subject: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

I heard first hand from someone a while back who is a vendor,

who was not ever allowed to post, and had some issues.  It seems

that anytime someone posted a "Check out my airplane" review

where they told about their product, that whole thread

would be removed, and basically they were later "shaken down"

and told that nothing, even positive comments on their products

from other members, was acceptable to post (even first-hand

reviews by happy customers), unless you were a paid advertiser.

The rates for said advertising were surprisingly steep, also.

I have been told that some of the ads on the main page go

for $10,000 (or more...that's an old number).  It bothers me

a bit when you can't write something nice about a product

you bought that you liked, just because the vendor hasn't paid.

Isn't it always good for the list readers to hear positive

or negative reviews on things?



Beyond that, I'm of the mindset that you either run a site

on donations/subscriptions, you run it on advertising, or you

run it on sales, but you pick one of the 3.



It's a nice forum, but it would be nicer if it weren't

so censored.  There's no reason to shutdown a thread

like that on the EAA, because clearly on a web forum

style site, the people reading that thread CHOOSE to

read it...it's not being forced into their inbox.

Shouldn't be threatening to anyone...



Tim

do not archive



On 7/16/2012 2:48 PM, Michael Sausen wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		      Some things never change over there.  This is why when he shut down

 the old Yahoo forums several of us instead decided to put our support

 behind Matronics which is truly donation supported vs. the high $$

 revenue he receives from advertisers.  He still passes the tin cup

 around with the â€˜poor ole me and my little websiteâ€™ rhetoric while

 prohibiting anyone that sells a product from contributing to any

 discussions without coughing up considerably first.  I drew the line

 when my posts were edited, not deleted, edited to remove any criticism

 of his censoring practices back during the Yahoo days.  I probably

 wouldnâ€™t care if he would drop the my site needs your donation BS and

 just ran it as ad supported like it really is.  Glad we were able to

 keep this group going for open discussion, even if we do get off topic

 occasionally.



 Off soapbox 



 Do not archive



 Michael



 *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com

 [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of

 *davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net

 *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2012 8:09 AM

 *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 *Subject:* Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!



 Looks like DR over on the VansAirforce Forum closed out and put the

 kybash on any talk of the EAA and its current direction classifying it

 as "politics" which is against forum rules.  What a shame considering it

 is one of the largest EXPIMENTAL aviation forum's  and what better

 avenue to organize the homebuilder base.  Its his sandbox though

 so,,,,,,,,,,,,.



 David Clifford



 RV-10 Builder

 Howell,  MI

philperry9

Joined: 23 Nov 2011
Posts: 381

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:15 pm Post subject: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

I've always wondered what the history was with the solid RV-10 presence here and very little on VAF.



I can't say I blame anyone though.  It is getting to be over-moderated for my taste too.



Besides, most of the RV-10 flyers are over here and I'd rather solicit advice from a flyer vs a builder.  Nothing against builders, I am one...  But it's good to hear what the owners of flying airplanes would do differently for convenience, appearance, safety, or ease of maintenance.

 

Phil



On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Michael Sausen <michael(at)sausen.net (michael(at)sausen.net)> wrote:

 [quote]        

  Some things never change over there.  This is why when he shut down the old Yahoo forums several of us instead decided to put our support behind Matronics  which is truly donation supported vs. the high $$ revenue he receives from advertisers.  He still passes the tin cup around with the ‘poor ole me and my little website’ rhetoric while prohibiting anyone that sells a product from contributing to any discussions  without coughing up considerably first.  I drew the line when my posts were edited, not deleted, edited to remove any criticism of his censoring practices back during the Yahoo days.  I probably wouldn’t care if he would drop the my site needs your donation  BS and just ran it as ad supported like it really is.  Glad we were able to keep this group going for open discussion, even if we do get off topic occasionally. 

  

Off soapbox  

Do not archive 

Michael

[b]

rene(at)felker.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:42 pm Post subject: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

I agree Tim....



Now I understand why some of my posts on DR's site have disappeared....I must have said something nice about a product that is not on the "approved" list.



Do not archive



Rene' Felker

N423CF

801-721-6080



--

Jess
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:56 pm Post subject: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!

Might want to take a look at  this..http://www.rvairspace.com/index.html

  

  In a message dated 7/16/2012 1:11:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  Tim(at)MyRV10.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  -->    RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>



I heard    first hand from someone a while back who is a vendor,

who was not ever    allowed to post, and had some issues.  It seems

that anytime someone    posted a "Check out my airplane" review

where they told about their    product, that whole thread

would be removed, and basically they were later    "shaken down"

and told that nothing, even positive comments on their    products

from other members, was acceptable to post (even    first-hand

reviews by happy customers), unless you were a paid    advertiser.

The rates for said advertising were surprisingly steep,    also.

I have been told that some of the ads on the main page go

for    $10,000 (or more...that's an old number).  It bothers me

a bit when    you can't write something nice about a product

you bought that you liked,    just because the vendor hasn't paid.

Isn't it always good for the list    readers to hear positive

or negative reviews on things?



Beyond that,    I'm of the mindset that you either run a site

on donations/subscriptions,    you run it on advertising, or you

run it on sales, but you pick one of the    3.



It's a nice forum, but it would be nicer if it weren't

so    censored.  There's no reason to shutdown a thread

like that on the    EAA, because clearly on a web forum

style site, the people reading that    thread CHOOSE to

read it...it's not being forced into their    inbox.

Shouldn't be threatening to anyone...



Tim

do not    archive



On 7/16/2012 2:48 PM, Michael Sausen wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		         Some things never change over there.  This is why when he shut    down

 the old Yahoo forums several of us instead decided to put our    support

 behind Matronics which is truly donation supported vs. the    high $$

 revenue he receives from advertisers.  He still passes    the tin cup

 around with the â€˜poor ole me and my little websiteâ€™    rhetoric while

 prohibiting anyone that sells a product from    contributing to any

 discussions without coughing up considerably    first.  I drew the line

 when my posts were edited, not deleted,    edited to remove any criticism

 of his censoring practices back during    the Yahoo days.  I probably

 wouldnâ€™t care if he would drop the my    site needs your donation BS and

 just ran it as ad supported like it    really is.  Glad we were able to

 keep this group going for open    discussion, even if we do get off topic

 occasionally.



    Off soapbox 



 Do not archive



    Michael



 *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com

    [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of

    *davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net

 *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2012 8:09    AM

 *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 *Subject:* Re: RV10-List:    Urgent: EAA Members - Action!



 Looks like DR over on the    VansAirforce Forum closed out and put the

 kybash on any talk of the    EAA and its current direction classifying it

 as "politics" which is    against forum rules.  What a shame considering it

 is one of the    largest EXPIMENTAL aviation forum's  and what better

 avenue to    organize the homebuilder base.  Its his sandbox though

    so,,,,,,,,,,,,.



 David Clifford



 RV-10    Builder

 Howell,   e  ies  ay                 - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS               - List Contribution Web Site  p;                             


	




	


 [quote][b]

Display posts from previous:

	Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> RV10-List	All times are GMT - 8 Hours Goto page 1, 2 Next
Page 1 of 2

Jump to:

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum