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bigginsking
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 Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:47 am Post subject: Auto Pilot issues... |
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I get the NASA Callback emailed to me regularly, it is a periodical that details some of the more interesting reports filed by pilots, controllers and mechanics playing their "get out of jail free card."
It generally makes for thought provoking reading and it's free.
This month talks about auto pilots going awry and 2 of the 3 incidents detailed are in experimentals yet, experimentals are less than 20% of the total number of piston fixed wings out there..
http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/publications/callback/cb_393.html
We can do better!
Make sure you really know how to operate all that gadgetry that you've got before you use it in what I would call "an operational environment"
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make sure it all works the way it should before you depend on it.
Bill Judge
N84WJ, RV-8, 820 hrs
http://rv-8.blogspot.com/
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garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:01 pm Post subject: Auto Pilot issues... |
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The “get out of jail free” card doesn’t work. I had one of those “call the tower” incidents 2 months ago, which led to a discussion with the FAA. I sent in my “get out of jail” paperwork, but the FAA said they never see that paperwork and don’t even have access to it. It plays no part in their enforcement actions. The paperwork is strictly a NASA thing, for safety statistics. Don’t think it will do you any good, and certainly won’t get you out of jail.
Garry Stout
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Judge
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:46 AM
To: SoCAL-RVlist(at)yahoogroups.com; rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Auto Pilot issues...
I get the NASA Callback emailed to me regularly, it is a periodical that details some of the more interesting reports filed by pilots, controllers and mechanics playing their "get out of jail free card."
It generally makes for thought provoking reading and it's free.
This month talks about auto pilots going awry and 2 of the 3 incidents detailed are in experimentals yet, experimentals are less than 20% of the total number of piston fixed wings out there...
http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/publications/callback/cb_393.html
We can do better!
Make sure you really know how to operate all that gadgetry that you've got before you use it in what I would call "an operational environment"
and
make sure it all works the way it should before you depend on it.
Bill Judge
N84WJ, RV-8, 820 hrs
http://rv-8.blogspot.com/
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bigginsking
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: Auto Pilot issues... |
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Sorry to hear you got a bad deal.
From this link:
http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/overview/immunity.html
I got this:
Enforcement Restrictions. The FAA considers the filing of a report with NASA concerning an incident or occurrence involving a violation of 49 U.S.C. subtitle VII or the 14 CFR to be indicative of a constructive attitude. Such an attitude will tend to prevent future violations. Accordingly, although a finding of violation may be made, neither a civil penalty nor certificate suspension will be imposed if:
The violation was inadvertent and not deliberate;
The violation did not involve a criminal offense, accident, or action under 49 U.S.C. § 44709, which discloses a lack of qualification or competency, which is wholly excluded from this policy;
The person has not been found in any prior FAA enforcement action to have committed a violation of 49 U.S.C. subtitle VII, or any regulation promulgated there for a period of 5 years prior to the date of occurrence; and
The person proves that, within 10 days after the violation, or date when the person became aware or should have been aware of the violation, he or she completed and delivered or mailed a written report of the incident or occurrence to NASA.
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ralphmariafinch(at)gmail.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:07 pm Post subject: Auto Pilot issues... |
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Quite right. Some years ago I busted a VIP-TFR and though they didn't send F-16s after me, they did give me a 30-day suspension. I had sent in the form too, but the FAA attorney said that since I had willfully violated the regulations (by not getting "all available information before the flight", i.e. a LockMart briefing), the NASA form doesn't work. Seems to me they can pull that trick on any pilot.
Ralph Finch
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Garry Stout <garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com (garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com)> wrote:
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The “get out of jail free” card doesn’t work. I had one of those “call the tower” incidents 2 months ago, which led to a discussion with the FAA. I sent in my “get out of jail” paperwork, but the FAA said they never see that paperwork and don’t even have access to it. It plays no part in their enforcement actions. The paperwork is strictly a NASA thing, for safety statistics. Don’t think it will do you any good, and certainly won’t get you out of jail.
Garry Stout
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:10 pm Post subject: Auto Pilot issues... |
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I would venture that proportionally, way more experimental aircraft than certificated have autopilots.
Ralph Finch
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Bill Judge <bjudge(at)gmail.com (bjudge(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]This month talks about auto pilots going awry and 2 of the 3 incidents detailed are in experimentals yet, experimentals are less than 20% of the total number of piston fixed wings out there...
http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/publications/callback/cb_393.html
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