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bobnoffs

Joined: 04 Jul 2012
Posts: 132
Location: northern wi.

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:09 am Post subject: elt batteries

starting on my first annual. 

 do i remember correctly.......the d batteries in the elt must be changed every year?

 thanks bob noffs

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mrspudandcompany(at)veriz
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:48 am Post subject: elt batteries

[quote]   starting on my first annual. 

    do i remember correctly........the d batteries in the elt must be    changed every year?

    thanks bob noffs

    

       Normally the manufacturer    specifies that you use date coded alkaline batteries, and they are to be    changed before the end of the coded period.  They do not have to be    changed each year.

    

   Roger

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Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:29 am Post subject: elt batteries

My old ELT (10 years old)  required new       batteries every 24 months. 

       

       My new ACK 406Mh ELT specifies 5 years for the lithium batteries.

       

       Bill

       

       On 9/19/2012 7:47 AM, R. curtis wrote:

     

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		           starting on my first annual. 

          do i remember correctly........the d batteries in the elt           must be changed every year?

          thanks bob noffs

          

             Normally the manufacturer             specifies that you use date coded alkaline batteries, and             they are to be changed before the end of the coded period.              They do not have to be changed each year.

          

         Roger

       	
       

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bobnoffs

Joined: 04 Jul 2012
Posts: 132
Location: northern wi.

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:40 pm Post subject: elt batteries

thanks all,

 i did change the duracell batteries in my elt today. the elt mfgr specifies duracell. the new set of d batteries have an expiration date of 2022!. don't think i will wait 10 yrs.

 bob noffs

 



On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:

[quote]                    My old ELT (10 years old)  required new       batteries every 24 months. 

       

       My new ACK 406Mh ELT specifies 5 years for the lithium batteries.

       

       Bill

       

       On 9/19/2012 7:47 AM, R. curtis wrote:

     

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		           starting on my first annual. 

          do i remember correctly........the d batteries in the elt           must be changed every year?

          thanks bob noffs

          

             Normally the manufacturer             specifies that you use date coded alkaline batteries, and             they are to be changed before the end of the coded period.              They do not have to be changed each year.

          

         Roger

       	
       

     



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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:35 pm Post subject: elt batteries

Don't forget the battery in the remote. It has an       expiration of 8yrs, lithium or 4yrs, alkaline if I remember       correctly. If you don't have a record of what battery was       installed in the remote and when, you should replace it and record       the due date in your logbook.

       

       Pax,

       

       Ed Holyoke

       A&P

     

     On 9/19/2012 1:39 PM, bob noffs wrote:     [quote]       thanks all,

        i did change the duracell batteries in my elt today. the elt         mfgr specifies duracell. the new set of d batteries have an         expiration date of 2022!. don't think i will wait 10 yrs.

        bob noffs

         

       

       On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Bill         Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)>         wrote:

          	  Quote: 	
		                          My old ELT (10 years old)  required new batteries every               24 months. 

               

               My new ACK 406Mh ELT specifies 5 years for the lithium               batteries.

                   

                   Bill                                

                   

                   On 9/19/2012 7:47 AM, R. curtis wrote:

                 

               

             

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		                       starting on my first annual. 

                      do i remember correctly........the d batteries                       in the elt must be changed every year?

                      thanks bob noffs

                      

                         Normally the                         manufacturer specifies that you use date coded                         alkaline batteries, and they are to be changed                         before the end of the coded period.  They do not                         have to be changed each year.

                      

                     Roger

                   	
                   

                 



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bobnoffs

Joined: 04 Jul 2012
Posts: 132
Location: northern wi.

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:21 pm Post subject: elt batteries

yep,i kept the expiration date for the remote battery. dumb luck as i kept the blister pack packaging so i could get another battery when the time came.

 bob noffs

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Ed Holyoke <bicyclop(at)pacbell.net (bicyclop(at)pacbell.net)> wrote:

 [quote]                    Don't forget the battery in the remote. It has an       expiration of 8yrs, lithium or 4yrs, alkaline if I remember       correctly. If you don't have a record of what battery was       installed in the remote and when, you should replace it and record       the due date in your logbook.

       

       Pax,

       

       Ed Holyoke

       A&P

     

     On 9/19/2012 1:39 PM, bob noffs wrote:     

 	  Quote: 	
		         thanks all,

        i did change the duracell batteries in my elt today. the elt         mfgr specifies duracell. the new set of d batteries have an         expiration date of 2022!. don't think i will wait 10 yrs.

        bob noffs

         

       

       

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Bill         Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)>         wrote:

         

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		                          My old ELT (10 years old)  required new batteries every               24 months. 

               

               My new ACK 406Mh ELT specifies 5 years for the lithium               batteries.

                   

                   Bill                                

                   

                   On 9/19/2012 7:47 AM, R. curtis wrote:

                 

               

             

             

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		                       starting on my first annual. 

                      do i remember correctly........the d batteries                       in the elt must be changed every year?

                      thanks bob noffs

                      

                         Normally the                         manufacturer specifies that you use date coded                         alkaline batteries, and they are to be changed                         before the end of the coded period.  They do not                         have to be changed each year.

                      

                     Roger

                   	
                   

                 



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Kellym

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Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:01 pm Post subject: elt batteries

On the ACK E-04 it is 10 yrs on lithium main, remote and alarm 

batteries. 5 yrs on remote alkaline if you go that route.



On 9/19/2012 3:34 PM, Ed Holyoke wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Don't forget the battery in the remote. It has an expiration of 8yrs, 

 lithium or 4yrs, alkaline if I remember correctly. If you don't have a 

 record of what battery was installed in the remote and when, you 

 should replace it and record the due date in your logbook.



 Pax,



 Ed Holyoke

 A&P



 On 9/19/2012 1:39 PM, bob noffs wrote:

> thanks all,

>  i did change the duracell batteries in my elt today. the elt mfgr 

> specifies duracell. the new set of d batteries have an expiration 

> date of 2022!. don't think i will wait 10 yrs.

>  bob noffs

>

> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com 

> <mailto:Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>> wrote:

>

>     My old ELT (10 years old)  required new batteries every 24 months.

>

>     My new ACK 406Mh ELT specifies 5 years for the lithium batteries.

>

>     Bill

>     On 9/19/2012 7:47 AM, R. curtis wrote:

>>

>>         starting on my first annual.

>>          do i remember correctly........the d batteries in the elt

>>         must be changed every year?

>>          thanks bob noffs

>>         **

>>             Normally the manufacturer specifies that you use date

>>         coded alkaline batteries, and they are to be changed before

>>         the end of the coded period.  They do not have to be changed

>>         each year.

>>         Roger

>>

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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:37 am Post subject: elt batteries

The manufacturer's manuals for the ELT's that concern me are on the web.



Section 15 of the ACK E-04 manual (P/N E04M REV DATE 02/22/2012

Rev 1.6) specifies a 5 year battery life. If there is a 10 year battery 

the manual does not seem to mention it.

Section 11 says the battery is not airworthy after the expiration date 

on the battery which in my case was just over 5 years. Yes don't forget 

the additional small battery in the both the buzzer and also in the 

remote control.



My 121.5 ELT with 'D' cells required battery replacement at two years 

regardless of battery date to remain legal. Not sure if that was a 

manufacturer thing or an MOT regulation. However battery terminal 

corrosion became an issue if I waited two years so I changed them out 

every year.



I do value the confirmation emails from the Rescue Center that I receive 

when I do the manufacturer specified 3 month test on my Canadian 

registered 406 ELT. Don't know if any other countries do that but it is 

nice to have confirmation that the satellites are receiving and 

processing the test signal. Of course I follow the written procedure to 

make sure I don't accidentally put out a real distress signal.



Ken



On 20/09/2012 12:00 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <kellym(at)aviating.com>



 On the ACK E-04 it is 10 yrs on lithium main, remote and alarm

 batteries. 5 yrs on remote alkaline if you go that route.



 On 9/19/2012 3:34 PM, Ed Holyoke wrote:

> Don't forget the battery in the remote. It has an expiration of 8yrs,

> lithium or 4yrs, alkaline if I remember correctly. If you don't have a

> record of what battery was installed in the remote and when, you

> should replace it and record the due date in your logbook.

>

> Pax,

>

> Ed Holyoke

> A&P

>

> On 9/19/2012 1:39 PM, bob noffs wrote:

>> thanks all,

>> i did change the duracell batteries in my elt today. the elt mfgr

>> specifies duracell. the new set of d batteries have an expiration

>> date of 2022!. don't think i will wait 10 yrs.

>> bob noffs

>>

>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com

>> <mailto:Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>> wrote:

>>

>> My old ELT (10 years old) required new batteries every 24 months.

>>

>> My new ACK 406Mh ELT specifies 5 years for the lithium batteries.

>>

>> Bill

>>

>>

>> On 9/19/2012 7:47 AM, R. curtis wrote:

>>>

>>> starting on my first annual.

>>> do i remember correctly........the d batteries in the elt

>>> must be changed every year?

>>> thanks bob noffs

>>> **

>>> Normally the manufacturer specifies that you use date

>>> coded alkaline batteries, and they are to be changed before

>>> the end of the coded period. They do not have to be changed

>>> each year.

>>> Roger

>>>

Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:25 am Post subject: elt batteries

I think you are touching on the key point here.  In the certificated 

world, battery replacement is specified for the ELT and has nothing to 

do with a battery's expiration date.



The question is, how do the regs apply to a TSO'd ELT in an experimental 

aircraft?  Do the TSO specs apply or ?



And if good common sense can be legally applied, what basis for it makes 

sense.  There's a big gap between 5 and 10 years.



I don't know but will be interested to find out.



Bill



On 9/20/2012 11:38 AM, Ken wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 The manufacturer's manuals for the ELT's that concern me are on the web.



 Section 15 of the ACK E-04 manual (P/N E04M REV DATE 02/22/2012

 Rev 1.6) specifies a 5 year battery life. If there is a 10 year 

 battery the manual does not seem to mention it.

 Section 11 says the battery is not airworthy after the expiration date 

 on the battery which in my case was just over 5 years. Yes don't 

 forget the additional small battery in the both the buzzer and also in 

 the remote control.



 My 121.5 ELT with 'D' cells required battery replacement at two years 

 regardless of battery date to remain legal. Not sure if that was a 

 manufacturer thing or an MOT regulation. However battery terminal 

 corrosion became an issue if I waited two years so I changed them out 

 every year.



 I do value the confirmation emails from the Rescue Center that I 

 receive when I do the manufacturer specified 3 month test on my 

 Canadian registered 406 ELT. Don't know if any other countries do that 

 but it is nice to have confirmation that the satellites are receiving 

 and processing the test signal. Of course I follow the written 

 procedure to make sure I don't accidentally put out a real distress 

 signal.

mrspudandcompany(at)veriz
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:15 am Post subject: elt batteries

I think you are touching on the key point here.  In the certificated 

world, battery replacement is specified for the ELT and has nothing to 

do with a battery's expiration date.



	If an ELT is TSO'ed and the manufacturer says to use Duracel

Alkaline D cells, to be replaced at expiration date printed on the cells, I

tend to believe that this is the way it should be done.  Elt operation is

checked at annual, and you can check it at regular intervals in between, if

you like.



If you distrust the Hugh amount of testing that goes into the TSO, then by

all means, change the batteries as often as makes you feel comfortable.



Roger

Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:53 am Post subject: elt batteries

On 9/20/2012 1:14 PM, Roger & Jean Curtis wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 I think you are touching on the key point here.  In the certificated

 world, battery replacement is specified for the ELT and has nothing to

 do with a battery's expiration date.

 	If an ELT is TSO'ed and the manufacturer says to use Duracel

 Alkaline D cells, to be replaced at expiration date printed on the cells, I

 tend to believe that this is the way it should be done.  Elt operation is

 checked at annual, and you can check it at regular intervals in between, if

 you like.



 If you distrust the Hugh amount of testing that goes into the TSO, then by

 all means, change the batteries as often as makes you feel comfortable.



 Roger

I agree.  The TSOs for the 2 ELTs I have experience with specified 
	


battery replacement in  2 and 5 years with no mention of the date on the 

battery.  But a TSO that references the battery expiration is better.



Who is Hugh?



Bill

Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:25 pm Post subject: elt batteries

You are correct. The main ELT -04 battery is a five year lithium. It is 

the remote batteries than can go 10 years.

On 9/20/2012 8:38 AM, Ken wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 The manufacturer's manuals for the ELT's that concern me are on the web.



 Section 15 of the ACK E-04 manual (P/N E04M REV DATE 02/22/2012

 Rev 1.6) specifies a 5 year battery life. If there is a 10 year 

 battery the manual does not seem to mention it.

 Section 11 says the battery is not airworthy after the expiration date 

 on the battery which in my case was just over 5 years. Yes don't 

 forget the additional small battery in the both the buzzer and also in 

 the remote control.



 My 121.5 ELT with 'D' cells required battery replacement at two years 

 regardless of battery date to remain legal. Not sure if that was a 

 manufacturer thing or an MOT regulation. However battery terminal 

 corrosion became an issue if I waited two years so I changed them out 

 every year.



 I do value the confirmation emails from the Rescue Center that I 

 receive when I do the manufacturer specified 3 month test on my 

 Canadian registered 406 ELT. Don't know if any other countries do that 

 but it is nice to have confirmation that the satellites are receiving 

 and processing the test signal. Of course I follow the written 

 procedure to make sure I don't accidentally put out a real distress 

 signal.



 Ken



 On 20/09/2012 12:00 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

> 

> <kellym(at)aviating.com>

>

> On the ACK E-04 it is 10 yrs on lithium main, remote and alarm

> batteries. 5 yrs on remote alkaline if you go that route.

>

> On 9/19/2012 3:34 PM, Ed Holyoke wrote:

>> Don't forget the battery in the remote. It has an expiration of 8yrs,

>> lithium or 4yrs, alkaline if I remember correctly. If you don't have a

>> record of what battery was installed in the remote and when, you

>> should replace it and record the due date in your logbook.

>>

>> Pax,

>>

>> Ed Holyoke

>> A&P

>>

>> On 9/19/2012 1:39 PM, bob noffs wrote:

>>> thanks all,

>>> i did change the duracell batteries in my elt today. the elt mfgr

>>> specifies duracell. the new set of d batteries have an expiration

>>> date of 2022!. don't think i will wait 10 yrs.

>>> bob noffs

>>>

>>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com

>>> <mailto:Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>> wrote:

>>>

>>> My old ELT (10 years old) required new batteries every 24 months.

>>>

>>> My new ACK 406Mh ELT specifies 5 years for the lithium batteries.

>>>

>>> Bill

>>>

>>>

>>> On 9/19/2012 7:47 AM, R. curtis wrote:

>>>>

>>>> starting on my first annual.

>>>> do i remember correctly........the d batteries in the elt

>>>> must be changed every year?

>>>> thanks bob noffs

>>>> **

>>>> Normally the manufacturer specifies that you use date

>>>> coded alkaline batteries, and they are to be changed before

>>>> the end of the coded period. They do not have to be changed

>>>> each year.

>>>> Roger

>>>>






	


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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:20 pm Post subject: elt batteries

Funny.  I just received by biennial letter from Emergency Beacon Corp 

reminding me that battery replacement is due on my EBC-502 ELT.  It goes 

on to state that it must be replaced per FAR 91.52.  Cost is 83.50 to 

ship a replacement pack to me.  Fortunately, I no longer own an EBC-502.



Interestingly, 91.52 no longer exists from the best I can tell.



It seems that 91.209 is now the relevant reg and it states in part:



(2) When 50 percent of their useful

life (or, for rechargeable batteries, 50

percent of their useful life of charge)

has expired, as established by the

transmitter manufacturer under its approval.

The new expiration date for replacing

(or recharging) the battery must be

legibly marked on the outside of the

transmitter and entered in the aircraft

maintenance record.



Just another data point.



Bill



On 9/20/2012 4:25 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <kellym(at)aviating.com>



 You are correct. The main ELT -04 battery is a five year lithium. It 

 is the remote batteries than can go 10 years.

 On 9/20/2012 8:38 AM, Ken wrote:

> 

>

> The manufacturer's manuals for the ELT's that concern me are on the web.

>

> Section 15 of the ACK E-04 manual (P/N E04M REV DATE 02/22/2012

> Rev 1.6) specifies a 5 year battery life. If there is a 10 year 

> battery the manual does not seem to mention it.

> Section 11 says the battery is not airworthy after the expiration 

> date on the battery which in my case was just over 5 years. Yes don't 

> forget the additional small battery in the both the buzzer and also 

> in the remote control.

>

> My 121.5 ELT with 'D' cells required battery replacement at two years 

> regardless of battery date to remain legal. Not sure if that was a 

> manufacturer thing or an MOT regulation. However battery terminal 

> corrosion became an issue if I waited two years so I changed them out 

> every year.

>

> I do value the confirmation emails from the Rescue Center that I 

> receive when I do the manufacturer specified 3 month test on my 

> Canadian registered 406 ELT. Don't know if any other countries do 

> that but it is nice to have confirmation that the satellites are 

> receiving and processing the test signal. Of course I follow the 

> written procedure to make sure I don't accidentally put out a real 

> distress signal.

>

> Ken

>

> On 20/09/2012 12:00 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

>> 

>> <kellym(at)aviating.com>

>>

>> On the ACK E-04 it is 10 yrs on lithium main, remote and alarm

>> batteries. 5 yrs on remote alkaline if you go that route.

>>

>> On 9/19/2012 3:34 PM, Ed Holyoke wrote:

>>> Don't forget the battery in the remote. It has an expiration of 8yrs,

>>> lithium or 4yrs, alkaline if I remember correctly. If you don't have a

>>> record of what battery was installed in the remote and when, you

>>> should replace it and record the due date in your logbook.

>>>

>>> Pax,

>>>

>>> Ed Holyoke

>>> A&P

>>>

>>> On 9/19/2012 1:39 PM, bob noffs wrote:

>>>> thanks all,

>>>> i did change the duracell batteries in my elt today. the elt mfgr

>>>> specifies duracell. the new set of d batteries have an expiration

>>>> date of 2022!. don't think i will wait 10 yrs.

>>>> bob noffs

>>>>

>>>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com

>>>> <mailto:Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> My old ELT (10 years old) required new batteries every 24 months.

>>>>

>>>> My new ACK 406Mh ELT specifies 5 years for the lithium batteries.

>>>>

>>>> Bill

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> On 9/19/2012 7:47 AM, R. curtis wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> starting on my first annual.

>>>>> do i remember correctly........the d batteries in the elt

>>>>> must be changed every year?

>>>>> thanks bob noffs

>>>>> **

>>>>> Normally the manufacturer specifies that you use date

>>>>> coded alkaline batteries, and they are to be changed before

>>>>> the end of the coded period. They do not have to be changed

>>>>> each year.

>>>>> Roger

>>>>>

>

>



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