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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:23 am    Post subject: Operating Limitations - Again Reply with quote

Group,
Please let me know what you think and any suggested solutions.
My friend is still trying to get his Operation Limitations amended for change of ownership and tail number for over 6 weeks now . After a slow and unsuccessful attempt to get the Atlanta FSDO to do it, he checked with a DAR who told him that he should put the airctraft back in Phase 1 and start all over. Does this sound right to anyone and what do you think should or could be done?

Med


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:37 am    Post subject: Operating Limitations - Again Reply with quote

Med,
That makes no sense. Under the original FAA Order 8130.2F, he is required to notify the geographically responsible FSDO of the change in ownership and location, and provide them with a copy of the FAA approved maintenance program if one exists as it does for jets.

HIs ops limitations are on file in DC. His AW cert does not expire. It, and the AW cert, go with the aircraft. He only has to notify them of the change in location and ownership. However, his FSDO may be using the N number change as an excuse to reissue ops imits. Of course he will get the new ones from FAA Order 8130.2G. For Yaks and CJs that should be quite good. There are more groups but honestly, te jets are the ones the FAA is trying to stymie.

Tell him to look up those two FAA Orders and thoroughly read chapter 10. Then he can make an appointment with his FSDO and perhaps push things along.

Hope this helps. Feel free to call my Dir of Mx at IJ Shane Phillips 256-442-8099 if your friend has any questions or wants to hire someone to handle the situation.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:41 am    Post subject: Operating Limitations - Again Reply with quote

Med,
Putting the airplane back in to Phase 1 is, IMHO, totally unnecessary,
unless of course he wants the DAR to issue the OL's and Special
Airworthiness Certificate AND pay the DAR's fees.

Does your friend have the new, hard copy of the registration or is he
still waiting on it? The FSDO or the DAR can not issue a new set of
OL's and Special Airworthiness Certificate unless he does have the hard
copy.

Other than having the new registration, what seems to be the problem
with the FSDO issuing the new OL's? Did he contact the EAA and ask for
their help? The EAA has proven to be quite 'influential' in the past
when owners have problem with a FSDO issuing OL's and airworthiness
certificates.

Dennis
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Group,
Please let me know what you think and any suggested solutions.
My friend is still trying to get his Operation Limitations amended for change of ownership and tail number for over 6 weeks now . After a slow and unsuccessful attempt to get the Atlanta FSDO to do it, he checked with a DAR who told him that he should put the airctraft back in Phase 1 and start all over. Does this sound right to anyone and what do you think should or could be done?

Med



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:38 am    Post subject: Operating Limitations - Again Reply with quote

Thank you Dennis and Rich, I agree that it is totally Un necessary. Wayne joined the Yak list but i'll forward your comments to him also.
Once again, many thanks guys for the response
Med
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Group,
Please let me know what you think and any suggested solutions.
My friend is still trying to get his Operation Limitations amended for change of ownership and tail number for over 6 weeks now . After a slow and unsuccessful attempt to get the Atlanta FSDO to do it, he checked with a DAR who told him that he should put the airctraft back in Phase 1 and start all over. Does this sound right to anyone and what do you think should or could be done?

Med








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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:46 am    Post subject: Operating Limitations - Again Reply with quote

Call the manager at the FSDO. Tell him that you have filled all the required squares. You must call the manager. Been there done that.
When that doesn't work, your local senator or congressman.
It is better to have a good relationship with your local FAA, however, they are employees and will
Get away with what they can.

Bill

On Sep 26, 2012, at 6:20 AM, "Ahmed M. Ragheb" <f16ftrplt(at)aol.com> wrote:

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Group,
Please let me know what you think and any suggested solutions.
My friend is still trying to get his Operation Limitations amended for change of ownership and tail number for over 6 weeks now . After a slow and unsuccessful attempt to get the Atlanta FSDO to do it, he checked with a DAR who told him that he should put the airctraft back in Phase 1 and start all over. Does this sound right to anyone and what do you think should or could be done?

Med








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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:27 am    Post subject: Operating Limitations - Again Reply with quote

Geez, this is unfortunate. Kinda sounds like a case of total complacency or maybe a powertrip...? Of course you never know how much an official knows regarding type and sometimes establishing ANY policy LOOKS stronger and more authoritative than taking the time to research correct procedure. My FSDO in Milwaukee was top shelf - very friendly, patient and forthright. Once I got him all pertinent info, he threw my packet in the mail and "voila!" I don't know if they ever "share notes / cross reference," but his name is Pete Carao, MILW FSDO / 414.486.2920

   

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Bill Geipel <czech6(at)mesanetworks.net (czech6(at)mesanetworks.net)> wrote:
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Call the manager at the FSDO. Tell him that you have filled all the required squares. You must call the manager. Been there done that.
When that doesn't work, your local senator or congressman.
It is better to have a good relationship with your local FAA, however, they are employees and will
Get away with what they can.

Bill

On Sep 26, 2012, at 6:20 AM, "Ahmed M. Ragheb" <f16ftrplt(at)aol.com (f16ftrplt(at)aol.com)> wrote:

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Group,
Please let me know what you think and any suggested solutions.
My friend is still trying to get his Operation Limitations amended for change of ownership and tail number for over 6 weeks now . After a slow and unsuccessful attempt to get the Atlanta FSDO to do it, he checked with a DAR who told him that he should put the airctraft back in Phase 1 and start all over. Does this sound right to anyone and what do you think should or could be done?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:51 am    Post subject: Operating Limitations - Again Reply with quote

Med, My FSDO told mr the same thing, i.e. need new OL, go hire a DAR, cannot fly my new CJ until receives new airworthiness certificate, ....I called EAA Warbirds of America and they emailed me the "Deviation to FAA Order 8130.2G, Change 1". Your friend needs to send a copy of this Deviation to his FSDO; don't assume his FSDO has a copy or know about it. The revised paragraph 4107c(2) of this Deviation to Order took away local FSDO's power to request re-issuance of airworthiness certificate for change of ownership or home base. Ask your friend to call EAA for help.Robin
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Thank you Dennis and Rich, I agree that it is totally Un necessary. Wayne joined the Yak list but i'll forward your comments to him also.
Once again, many thanks guys for the response
Med
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Group,
Please let me know what you think and any suggested solutions.
My friend is still trying to get his Operation Limitations amended for change of ownership and tail number for over 6 weeks now . After a slow and unsuccessful attempt to get the Atlanta FSDO to do it, he checked with


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:57 am    Post subject: Operating Limitations - Again Reply with quote

Hi Med,I just read your post again and noticed that it was your friend who asked FSDO to change the OL. I that case, I am not sure the Deviation to Order would help him. The Deviation took away local FSDO's power to request re-issurance but the new owner could still request re-issurance. Since it was your friend who asked for a new OL, his local FSDO could make him jump through hoops.Good luck to your friend.Robin
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:59 am    Post subject: Operating Limitations - Again Reply with quote

Has this person spoken with the EAA Govt. Rep about this issue? Randy Hanson in particular?

If not, he should. If he does not want to for some reason, hire a lawyer and pay for the same service.

Mark Bitterlich


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Sent: Wed 9/26/2012 8:35 AM
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Med,
That makes no sense. Under the original FAA Order 8130.2F, he is required to notify the geographically responsible FSDO of the change in ownership and location, and provide them with a copy of the FAA approved maintenance program if one exists as it does for jets.

HIs ops limitations are on file in DC. His AW cert does not expire. It, and the AW cert, go with the aircraft. He only has to notify them of the change in location and ownership. However, his FSDO may be using the N number change as an excuse to reissue ops imits. Of course he will get the new ones from FAA Order 8130.2G. For Yaks and CJs that should be quite good. There are more groups but honestly, te jets are the ones the FAA is trying to stymie.

Tell him to look up those two FAA Orders and thoroughly read chapter 10. Then he can make an appointment with his FSDO and perhaps push things along.

Hope this helps. Feel free to call my Dir of Mx at IJ Shane Phillips 256-442-8099 if your friend has any questions or wants to hire someone to handle the situation.

Mongoose

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:42 pm    Post subject: Operating Limitations - Again Reply with quote

I already told you how to fix this. Which part didn't you understand? I have certified and re-certified almost 50 of these import warbirds.
The FAA FSDO does not want to be preached to by Washington and they are paranoid about signing anything. As I said, it's nice to be friends with the FSDO, however they are not here to be your best friend. Know the rules and walk in and tell them what you want. You have to deal with the manager of the FSDO.
Or just keep asking for more input from this group until you get an answer you like.

Bill

On Sep 27, 2012, at 11:55 AM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil> wrote:

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Has this person spoken with the EAA Govt. Rep about this issue? Randy Hanson in particular?

If not, he should. If he does not want to for some reason, hire a lawyer and pay for the same service.

Mark Bitterlich


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Med,
That makes no sense. Under the original FAA Order 8130.2F, he is required to notify the geographically responsible FSDO of the change in ownership and location, and provide them with a copy of the FAA approved maintenance program if one exists as it does for jets.

HIs ops limitations are on file in DC. His AW cert does not expire. It, and the AW cert, go with the aircraft. He only has to notify them of the change in location and ownership. However, his FSDO may be using the N number change as an excuse to reissue ops imits. Of course he will get the new ones from FAA Order 8130.2G. For Yaks and CJs that should be quite good. There are more groups but honestly, te jets are the ones the FAA is trying to stymie.

Tell him to look up those two FAA Orders and thoroughly read chapter 10. Then he can make an appointment with his FSDO and perhaps push things along.

Hope this helps. Feel free to call my Dir of Mx at IJ Shane Phillips 256-442-8099 if your friend has any questions or wants to hire someone to handle the situation.

Mongoose



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