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 Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:37 am Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/31/12 |
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Hello Brad. I flew in Richard Pike's Classic with him. There was room for us both though a little tight in the shoulders and leg room. I am building an Xtra. There is a little more width in the cabin and definitely more length in the cabin for long legs. I am 250lbs and 6'3" tall. I like the Classics doors better but the Xtra's seem to work well. The newest version of the Xtra for a while had flaps and ailerons but I heard they were going back to the flaperons, which is what I have.
I am using a Great Plains Aviation VW conversion 2180 cc with re-drive built by Steve Bennett and with a wood prop on mine. This will give me 100hp for take-off and 65-70hp for cruise.
I plan to get up to the fly-in this month but the plane will not be flying by then.
I am sure Richard and I will be glad to take some measurements for you if you like.
Bob Green
Building N830PB
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From: Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Fwd: Kolb Homecoming
All,
I'm trying to find a MK III Xtra to compare to the Classic. Is anyone who owns a MK III Xtra going to Kolb's homecoming on 16th and 17th of November? Apparently Kolb doesn't have a Xtra for Demo. It seems that every time they build one it gets sold.
Is there any difference in cabin width or length between the Classic and the Xtra?According to the Kolb website the Xtra is a couple feet longer but that could be a longer tail boom.
Has anyone flow both, the Xtra and Classic?
Thanks in advance,
Brad
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nationcap(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:27 pm Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/31/12 |
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Bob,
Thanks for the information, which leads to more questions.
What is the difference between the Classic and Xtra doors.
Why did you choose the VW engine and what other engines were you considering?
Hope to see you at the homecoming.
Brad
On Nov 1, 2012, at 7:36 , Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> wrote:
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Hello Brad. I flew in Richard Pike's Classic with him. There was room for us both though a little tight in the shoulders and leg room. I am building an Xtra. There is a little more width in the cabin and definitely more length in the cabin for long legs. I am 250lbs and 6'3" tall. I like the Classics doors better but the Xtra's seem to work well. The newest version of the Xtra for a while had flaps and ailerons but I heard they were going back to the flaperons, which is what I have.
I am using a Great Plains Aviation VW conversion 2180 cc with re-drive built by Steve Bennett and with a wood prop on mine. This will give me 100hp for take-off and 65-70hp for cruise.
I plan to get up to the fly-in this month but the plane will not be flying by then.
I am sure Richard and I will be glad to take some measurements for you if you like.
Bob Green
Building N830PB
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Time: 06:32:56 PM PST US
From: Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Fwd: Kolb Homecoming
All,
I'm trying to find a MK III Xtra to compare to the Classic. Is anyone who owns a MK III Xtra going to Kolb's homecoming on 16th and 17th of November? Apparently Kolb doesn't have a Xtra for Demo. It seems that every time they build one it gets sold.
Is there any difference in cabin width or length between the Classic and the Xtra?According to the Kolb website the Xtra is a couple feet longer but that could be a longer tail boom.
Has anyone flow both, the Xtra and Classic?
Thanks in advance,
Brad
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neilsenrm(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:10 am Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/31/12 |
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Brad
You can save over $10,000 by putting a VW on a Kolb over the cost of a Rotax 912. It is more work, there has to be some reduced reliability, it gets hot quickly on the ground, and it weighs more. My redrive VW has been extremely reliable, easy to work on and when it comes time to rebuild the engine it can be done for less than a gasket set of a Rotax. My redrive VW powered MKIIIC weighs 598lbs but worked at keeping it light.
Rick Neilsen
1st Redrive VW powered Kolb MKIIIC
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net (nationcap(at)comcast.net)> wrote:
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Bob,
Thanks for the information, which leads to more questions.
What is the difference between the Classic and Xtra doors.
Why did you choose the VW engine and what other engines were you considering?
Hope to see you at the homecoming.
Brad
On Nov 1, 2012, at 7:36 , Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org (bgreen(at)bimi.org)> wrote:
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> Hello Brad. I flew in Richard Pike's Classic with him. There was room for us both though a little tight in the shoulders and leg room. I am building an Xtra. There is a little more width in the cabin and definitely more length in the cabin for long legs. I am 250lbs and 6'3" tall. I like the Classics doors better but the Xtra's seem to work well. The newest version of the Xtra for a while had flaps and ailerons but I heard they were going back to the flaperons, which is what I have.
> I am using a Great Plains Aviation VW conversion 2180 cc with re-drive built by Steve Bennett and with a wood prop on mine. This will give me 100hp for take-off and 65-70hp for cruise.
> I plan to get up to the fly-in this month but the plane will not be flying by then.
> I am sure Richard and I will be glad to take some measurements for you if you like.
> Bob Green
> Building N830PB
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> I'm trying to find a MK III Xtra to compare to the Classic. Is anyone who owns a MK III Xtra going to Kolb's homecoming on 16th and 17th of November? Apparently Kolb doesn't have a Xtra for Demo. It seems that every time they build one it gets sold.
> Is there any difference in cabin width or length between the Classic and the Xtra?According to the Kolb website the Xtra is a couple feet longer but that could be a longer tail boom.
> Has anyone flow both, the Xtra and Classic?
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> Thanks in advance,
> Brad
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Richard Pike
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/31/12 |
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Went out tonight and did some measurements, my MKIII Classic is about 34" across the hips, and 42" across the shoulders. The foot pedal bar is movable with a little work, and when I took Bob for a ride, it was in the middle position, since I am shorter than he is, and I am not long-legged for my height. There is 4" total adjustment ability on the MKIII Classic rudder pedal mechanism.
Currently I actually have the pedals back another 2", since I have been taking my 5' tall 10 year old niece flying, hoping for her to learn the basics of stick and ruddering in the MKIII. So far it is not going real well... <grin> but it is consistently entertaining. Or at least to me - For her to reach the pedals, we had to make a special booster foam seat back to get her close enough.
The Classic and Xtra doors hinge different. The Classic doors hinge from the tube that goes along the edge of the windscreen via piano hinges, the Xtra doors hinge from welded pivots near the front of the doors. So the Classic door swings up and over, the Xtra door swings out.
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