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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:38 am Post subject: New LOMU member . . .

At 08:47 PM 11/10/2012, you wrote:

Re. Metcal

You guys got my curiosity peeked... so I bid and won one on Ebay... 

$28 bucks.  It just arrived and I took it up to the shop to try it 

out... Alas no tip.  So I'll will see what I can find on ebay.



    Which model did you buy? Are you sure of which

    style of tip to acquire?

Question:  Most of the soldering I do is wire splice and wire to 

connectors...Tefzel 18-24 ga. single and shielded.  Only occasional 

PCB assembly and/or repair.  Most being SMT now but some through 

hole.  What tips would you recommend?



     Here's a catalog of tip styles offered in the STTC

     series tips



http://tinyurl.com/d2p28z9



     Note the part numbers have a 'x' in them.

     Put a "1" in that space and you get a 700

     degree tip, a "0" gets you a 600 degree

     tip.



     About any style tip will get you 'soldered

     up for general wiring tasks. I.e., if you

     need to solder something together, don't

     have an iron, and run to the local RS or

     hardware store to get one, what ever they

     have in stock has 99% probability of getting

     your task done.  So the short answer is,

     "don't pass up a bargain on any tip style".



     Most of my bench work including SMD down to

     1206 components is done with tips like 04,

     25 or 37.  The heaviest tasks like assembling

     an enclosure out of copper clad or putting a

     terminal on a fat wire calls for a 17 or 65.

     Installing a .025 or .050 pitch SMD calls for

     the smallest of tips like a 22.



     I've acquired these or similar in both 600 and

     700 degree sizes. I've not seen much difference

     in outcome of the joint that I could attribute

     to tip temp.



     By the way, when installing new fine pitch

     integrated circuits on a board, I find that

     boards manufactured with the legacy tin/lead plating

     can be simply fluxed, the part held in place,

     and solder already in place simply pushed from

     the far end of the pad toward the pin to be

     soldered. No additional solder required, joints

     come out looking like an oven reflow job.



     I've only had to order specific tips and pay

     close to full freight (12 to 18 dollars) a couple

     times. Just ordered some 17's under that condition.

     All other tips were acquired in a what-you-see-is-

     what-you-get assortment of new/used tips. A little

     fist full of used tips can be VERY reasonable.

     Over the years, I think I've had perhaps one or two

     tips in bundles of used tips be inop.



     Good luck and welcome to LOMU (Loyal Order of

     Metcal Users).



   Bob . . .

rv8iator(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:12 pm Post subject: New LOMU member . . .

The Metcal is the SP200.  Also Eric chimed in that the holder is integral as it may provide a control function when the handpiece is holstered.  Thanks for the tip on tips...

Re SMT; I have been using paste on the pads and re-flowing with my trusty Weller.  Works fine most of the time.

 



chris



[quote] Re. Metcal

 You guys got my curiosity peeked... so I bid and won one on Ebay... $28 bucks.  It just arrived and I took it up to the shop to try it out... Alas no tip.  So I'll will see what I can find on ebay.

 

    Which model did you buy? Are you sure of which

    style of tip to acquire?

 

 

 Question:  Most of the soldering I do is wire splice and wire to connectors...Tefzel 18-24 ga. single and shielded.  Only occasional PCB assembly and/or repair.  Most being SMT now but some through hole.  What tips would you recommend?

  

     Here's a catalog of tip styles offered in the STTC

     series tips

 

 http://tinyurl.com/d2p28z9

 

     Note the part numbers have a 'x' in them.

     Put a "1" in that space and you get a 700

     degree tip, a "0" gets you a 600 degree

     tip.

 

     About any style tip will get you 'soldered

     up for general wiring tasks. I.e., if you

     need to solder something together, don't

     have an iron, and run to the local RS or

     hardware store to get one, what ever they

     have in stock has 99% probability of getting

     your task done.  So the short answer is,

     "don't pass up a bargain on any tip style".

 

     Most of my bench work including SMD down to

     1206 components is done with tips like 04,

     25 or 37.  The heaviest tasks like assembling

     an enclosure out of copper clad or putting a

     terminal on a fat wire calls for a 17 or 65.

     Installing a .025 or .050 pitch SMD calls for

     the smallest of tips like a 22.

 

     I've acquired these or similar in both 600 and

     700 degree sizes. I've not seen much difference

     in outcome of the joint that I could attribute

     to tip temp.

 

     By the way, when installing new fine pitch

     integrated circuits on a board, I find that

     boards manufactured with the legacy tin/lead plating

     can be simply fluxed, the part held in place,

     and solder already in place simply pushed from

     the far end of the pad toward the pin to be

     soldered. No additional solder required, joints

     come out looking like an oven reflow job.

 

     I've only had to order specific tips and pay

     close to full freight (12 to 18 dollars) a couple

     times. Just ordered some 17's under that condition.

     All other tips were acquired in a what-you-see-is-

     what-you-get assortment of new/used tips. A little

     fist full of used tips can be VERY reasonable.

     Over the years, I think I've had perhaps one or two

     tips in bundles of used tips be inop.

 

     Good luck and welcome to LOMU (Loyal Order of

     Metcal Users).

 

 

 

   Bob . . . 

 

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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:42 am Post subject: New LOMU member . . .

At 05:11 PM 11/11/2012, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  The Metcal is the SP200.


	


   Okay, those are a different series of tips so

   you'll have to flush those quail out of another

   bush



http://tinyurl.com/2vpw7s



 Also Eric chimed in that the holder is integral as it may provide a 

control function when the handpiece is holstered.



    Hmmm . . . don't think so. It's not mentioned in the

    manual



http://tinyurl.com/ab6sm7p

 	  Quote: 	
		  Re SMT; I have been using paste on the pads and re-flowing with my 

trusty Weller.  Works fine most of the time.


	


   'Paste'??? Like the black greasy stuff in the

    blue snuff can? Be careful of the use of

    any form of additional flux on electronics

    soldering. Many of the legacy products are

    VERY effective for structural soldering where

    the surfaces are easily cleaned after . . . but

    are exceedingly conductive and corrosive.



    Look for a "no-clean" flux pen. Here is one

    example of many.



http://tinyurl.com/ashqcvh



    It takes only the tiniest 'wetting' of the

    surface and one of these pens will last you for

    years as long as you don't leave the cap off.



    You will find that the smallest surface mount

    joints can be made with no solder added to

    a tin-lead plated board. This includes the SOT-23

    like devices.

   Bob . . .

rv8iator(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:48 am Post subject: New LOMU member . . .

Bob...

The solder paste is in the .5 cc syringes etc.

http://tinyurl.com/dyjlsrw

  



I'll try the flux pen as well... Â I haven't been able toÂ consistentlyÂ getÂ 

re-flow and good wetting as my trust Weller EC100 tip sometimes won't release

 the solder. Â Acts as if the surface tension on the solder melt wont't break.

I'm hoping this new Metcal will improve this characteristic.Â 

 Â I borrowed a tip from one of the older Metcal stations at work and will try it out.

Thanks for your insights.

 chris



  





[quote]  

  	  Quote: 	
		   The Metcal is the SP200.

 	
 



 Â  Okay, those are a different series of tips so

 Â  you'll have to flush those quail out of another

 Â  bush

 

 http://tinyurl.com/2vpw7s

 

 Also Eric chimed in that the holder is integral as it may provide a control function when the handpiece is holstered.

 



 Â  Â Hmmm . . . don't think so. It's not mentioned in the

 Â  Â manual

 

 http://tinyurl.com/ab6sm7p

 

 

  	  Quote: 	
		   Re SMT; I have been using paste on the pads and re-flowing with my trusty Weller. Â Works fine most of the time.

 	
 



 Â  'Paste'??? Like the black greasy stuff in the

 Â  Â blue snuff can? Be careful of the use of

 Â  Â any form of additional flux on electronics

 Â  Â soldering. Many of the legacy products are

 Â  Â VERY effective for structural soldering where

 Â  Â the surfaces are easily cleaned after . . . but

 Â  Â are exceedingly conductive and corrosive.

 

 Â  Â Look for a "no-clean" flux pen. Here is one

 Â  Â example of many.

 

 http://tinyurl.com/ashqcvh

 

 Â  Â It takes only the tiniest 'wetting' of the

 Â  Â surface and one of these pens will last you for

 Â  Â years as long as you don't leave the cap off.

 

 Â  Â You will find that the smallest surface mount

 Â  Â joints can be made with no solder added to

 Â  Â a tin-lead plated board. This includes the SOT-23

 Â  Â like devices.

 

 

 Â  Bob . . . 

 

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uuccio(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:52 pm Post subject: New LOMU member . . .

I think I'm also a new LOMU member... Just bought a second hand SP200 on ebay, had to pay up ($70) to get a 230VAC version and then some more for shipping to Italy (and will have to pay import duties, levy and 21% sales tax because the Italian customs are basically thieves), but I'm looking forward to it! Also ordered the other accessories (holder, a few tips) and will add a flux pen too. 

Sacha

On 12/nov/2012, at 10:40, "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 At 05:11 PM 11/11/2012, you wrote:

> The Metcal is the SP200.

  Okay, those are a different series of tips so

  you'll have to flush those quail out of another

  bush

 http://tinyurl.com/2vpw7s

 Also Eric chimed in that the holder is integral as it may provide a control function when the handpiece is holstered.

   Hmmm . . . don't think so. It's not mentioned in the

   manual

 http://tinyurl.com/ab6sm7p

> Re SMT; I have been using paste on the pads and re-flowing with my trusty Weller.  Works fine most of the time.

  'Paste'??? Like the black greasy stuff in the

   blue snuff can? Be careful of the use of

   any form of additional flux on electronics

   soldering. Many of the legacy products are

   VERY effective for structural soldering where

   the surfaces are easily cleaned after . . . but

   are exceedingly conductive and corrosive.

   Look for a "no-clean" flux pen. Here is one

   example of many.

 http://tinyurl.com/ashqcvh

   It takes only the tiniest 'wetting' of the

   surface and one of these pens will last you for

   years as long as you don't leave the cap off.

   You will find that the smallest surface mount

   joints can be made with no solder added to

   a tin-lead plated board. This includes the SOT-23

   like devices.

  Bob . . .

Eric M. Jones

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 565
Location: Massachusetts

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: New LOMU member . . .

 	  Quote: 	
		  Also Eric chimed in that the holder is integral as it may provide a 

control function when the handpiece is holstered. 



Hmmm . . . don't think so. It's not mentioned in the 

manual 	




The stand has a big magnet in it that puts the station into "Sleep Mode", which lowers the temperature but does not turn the power off. This reduces heat-up time to a few seconds. See:

www.okinternational.com/binary/articles/AutosleepWorkstands.pdf

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email(at)jaredyates.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:09 pm Post subject: New LOMU member . . .

It looks like I'll have to wait a few weeks to get one for myself,

after the rest of the aeroelectric list members quit running up the

ebay prices:)



On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Sacha <uuccio(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 I think I'm also a new LOMU member... Just bought a second hand SP200 on ebay, had to pay up ($70) to get a 230VAC version and then some more for shipping to Italy (and will have to pay import duties, levy and 21% sales tax because the Italian customs are basically thieves), but I'm looking forward to it! Also ordered the other accessories (holder, a few tips) and will add a flux pen too.



 Sacha

 On 12/nov/2012, at 10:40, "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> wrote:



> 

>

> At 05:11 PM 11/11/2012, you wrote:

>> The Metcal is the SP200.

>

>  Okay, those are a different series of tips so

>  you'll have to flush those quail out of another

>  bush

>

> http://tinyurl.com/2vpw7s

>

> Also Eric chimed in that the holder is integral as it may provide a control function when the handpiece is holstered.

>

>   Hmmm . . . don't think so. It's not mentioned in the

>   manual

>

> http://tinyurl.com/ab6sm7p

>> Re SMT; I have been using paste on the pads and re-flowing with my trusty Weller.  Works fine most of the time.

>

>  'Paste'??? Like the black greasy stuff in the

>   blue snuff can? Be careful of the use of

>   any form of additional flux on electronics

>   soldering. Many of the legacy products are

>   VERY effective for structural soldering where

>   the surfaces are easily cleaned after . . . but

>   are exceedingly conductive and corrosive.

>

>   Look for a "no-clean" flux pen. Here is one

>   example of many.

>

> http://tinyurl.com/ashqcvh

>

>   It takes only the tiniest 'wetting' of the

>   surface and one of these pens will last you for

>   years as long as you don't leave the cap off.

>

>   You will find that the smallest surface mount

>   joints can be made with no solder added to

>   a tin-lead plated board. This includes the SOT-23

>   like devices.

>  Bob . . .

>

>

rv8iator(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:54 pm Post subject: New LOMU member . . .

http://tinyurl.com/adkgqow

 

check it out...





 ...chris





 



On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Jared Yates <email(at)jaredyates.com (email(at)jaredyates.com)> wrote:

 [quote]--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jared Yates <email(at)jaredyates.com (email(at)jaredyates.com)>

  

 It looks like I'll have to wait a few weeks to get one for myself,

 after the rest of the aeroelectric list members quit running up the

 ebay prices:)

 

 On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Sacha <uuccio(at)gmail.com (uuccio(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Sacha <uuccio(at)gmail.com (uuccio(at)gmail.com)>

 >

 > I think I'm also a new LOMU member... Just bought a second hand SP200 on ebay, had to pay up ($70) to get a 230VAC version and then some more for shipping to Italy (and will have to pay import duties, levy and 21% sales tax because the Italian customs are basically thieves), but I'm looking forward to it! Also ordered the other accessories (holder, a few tips) and will add a flux pen too.

  >

 > Sacha

 >

 >

 > On 12/nov/2012, at 10:40, "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:

 >

 >> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)>

 >>

 >> At 05:11 PM 11/11/2012, you wrote:

 >>> The Metcal is the SP200.

 >>

 >> Â Okay, those are a different series of tips so

 >> Â you'll have to flush those quail out of another

 >> Â bush

 >>

 >> http://tinyurl.com/2vpw7s

 >>

 >> Also Eric chimed in that the holder is integral as it may provide a control function when the handpiece is holstered.

 >>

 >> Â  Hmmm . . . don't think so. It's not mentioned in the

 >> Â  manual

 >>

 >> http://tinyurl.com/ab6sm7p

 >>

 >>

 >>> Re SMT; I have been using paste on the pads and re-flowing with my trusty Weller. Â Works fine most of the time.

 >>

 >> Â 'Paste'??? Like the black greasy stuff in the

 >> Â  blue snuff can? Be careful of the use of

 >> Â  any form of additional flux on electronics

 >> Â  soldering. Many of the legacy products are

 >> Â  VERY effective for structural soldering where

 >> Â  the surfaces are easily cleaned after . . . but

 >> Â  are exceedingly conductive and corrosive.

 >>

 >> Â  Look for a "no-clean" flux pen. Here is one

 >> Â  example of many.

 >>

 >> http://tinyurl.com/ashqcvh

 >>

 >> Â  It takes only the tiniest 'wetting' of the

 >> Â  surface and one of these pens will last you for

 >> Â  years as long as you don't leave the cap off.

 >>

 >> Â  You will find that the smallest surface mount

 >> Â  joints can be made with no solder added to

 >> Â  a tin-lead plated board. This includes the SOT-23

 >> Â  like devices.

 >>

 >>

 >> Â Bob . . .

 >>

 >>

 >>

 >>

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 

 

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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:16 am Post subject: New LOMU member . . .

[quote]   



http://tinyurl.com/adkgqow   



   check it    out...

   



   ...chris

   



        Rather expensive    shipping!!!

    

              Roger

    

   Do not  archive



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email(at)jaredyates.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:32 am Post subject: New LOMU member . . .

That one used to be on my watch list...



On Nov 12, 2012, at 22:53, Christopher Cee Stone <rv8iator(at)gmail.com (rv8iator(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]http://tinyurl.com/adkgqow

 

check it out...





 ...chris





 



On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Jared Yates <email(at)jaredyates.com (email(at)jaredyates.com)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jared Yates <email(at)jaredyates.com (email(at)jaredyates.com)>

  

 It looks like I'll have to wait a few weeks to get one for myself,

 after the rest of the aeroelectric list members quit running up the

 ebay prices:)

 

 On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Sacha <uuccio(at)gmail.com (uuccio(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Sacha <uuccio(at)gmail.com (uuccio(at)gmail.com)>

 >

 > I think I'm also a new LOMU member... Just bought a second hand SP200 on ebay, had to pay up ($70) to get a 230VAC version and then some more for shipping to Italy (and will have to pay import duties, levy and 21% sales tax because the Italian customs are basically thieves), but I'm looking forward to it! Also ordered the other accessories (holder, a few tips) and will add a flux pen too.

  >

 > Sacha

 >

 >

 > On 12/nov/2012, at 10:40, "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:

 >

 >> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)>

 >>

 >> At 05:11 PM 11/11/2012, you wrote:

 >>> The Metcal is the SP200.

 >>

 >>  Okay, those are a different series of tips so

 >>  you'll have to flush those quail out of another

 >>  bush

 >>

 >> http://tinyurl.com/2vpw7s

 >>

 >> Also Eric chimed in that the holder is integral as it may provide a control function when the handpiece is holstered.

 >>

 >>   Hmmm . . . don't think so. It's not mentioned in the

 >>   manual

 >>

 >> http://tinyurl.com/ab6sm7p

 >>

 >>

 >>> Re SMT; I have been using paste on the pads and re-flowing with my trusty Weller.  Works fine most of the time.

 >>

 >>  'Paste'??? Like the black greasy stuff in the

 >>   blue snuff can? Be careful of the use of

 >>   any form of additional flux on electronics

 >>   soldering. Many of the legacy products are

 >>   VERY effective for structural soldering where

 >>   the surfaces are easily cleaned after . . . but

 >>   are exceedingly conductive and corrosive.

 >>

 >>   Look for a "no-clean" flux pen. Here is one

 >>   example of many.

 >>

 >> http://tinyurl.com/ashqcvh

 >>

 >>   It takes only the tiniest 'wetting' of the

 >>   surface and one of these pens will last you for

 >>   years as long as you don't leave the cap off.

 >>

 >>   You will find that the smallest surface mount

 >>   joints can be made with no solder added to

 >>   a tin-lead plated board. This includes the SOT-23

 >>   like devices.

 >>

 >>

 >>  Bob . . .

 >>

 >>

 >>

 >>

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 

 

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