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1. 07:36 AM - Re: Delayed tail cone attaching? (Bill Judge)
2. 08:13 AM - Re: Delayed tail cone attaching? (Phil White)
3. 08:32 AM - Glideslope Antennas (Phillip Perry)
4. 08:43 AM - Re: Glideslope Antennas (Strasnuts)
5. 08:49 AM - Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas (Phillip Perry)
6. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas (Marcus Cooper)
7. 09:59 AM - Re: Glideslope Antennas (Bob Turner)
8. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas (Seano)
9. 11:18 AM - Re: Glideslope Antennas (Bob Turner)
10. 11:27 AM - Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas (Robin Marks)
11. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: Delayed tail cone attaching? (Tim Olson)
12. 11:39 AM - Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas (Ed Kranz)
13. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas (Tim Olson)
14. 12:06 PM - New AntiSplat Prop Wrench For Sale (Sean Stephens)
15. 12:10 PM - Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas (Robin Marks)
16. 12:13 PM - Re: Glideslope Antennas (Bob Turner)
17. 12:41 PM - Re: New AntiSplat Prop Wrench For Sale (pilotdds)
18. 01:38 PM - Re: New AntiSplat Prop Wrench For Sale (John MacCallum)
19. 01:45 PM - Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas (Ed Kranz)
20. 02:26 PM - Re: Glideslope Antennas (David Maib)
21. 03:11 PM - Re: New AntiSplat Prop Wrench For Sale (Sean Stephens)
22. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas (Bill Watson)
23. 05:07 PM - Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas (Phillip Perry)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 07:36:19 AM PST US
From: Bill Judge <bjudge(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Delayed tail cone attaching?
Thanks for the advice.
So, if you were length constrained, it sounds like the best you could do
would be to cleco the tailcone on, fit the cabin top, finish the doors and
interior then pull the tail cone off to do the fire wall forward work. In
that case all you're saving is the length from the firewall to the spinner,
bottom line is that you need 20 feet at least.
Wing and empannage storage isn't a problem, I've got a hangar for that, I
just know that the longer you stay at the house the faster you get done.
VR,
Bill
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> 1. 02:58 PM - Delayed tail cone attaching? (Bill Judge)
> 2. 03:09 PM - Re: Delayed tail cone attaching? (Phillip Perry)
> 3. 03:09 PM - Re: Delayed tail cone attaching? (John Cox)
> 4. 03:57 PM - Re: Delayed tail cone attaching? (Jesse Saint)
> 5. 06:10 PM - Re: Delayed tail cone attaching? (Bob Leffler)
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> Time: 02:58:17 PM PST US
> From: Bill Judge <bjudge(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Delayed tail cone attaching?
>
> Greetings,
> I'm figuring out space for building an RV-10, translation is that my wife
> and I are passively shopping for a house.
>
> I'm wondering if you can delay attaching the tail cone until after you've
> completed the firewall forward, interior, windows, doors and just about
> everything else that takes forever to finish?
>
> Seems like you'd be able to build the RV-10 in a much smaller place if you
> didn't have to attach the tail cone until much later, like at the airport.
>
> Anyway, I'd love to hear some opinions on this.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Judge
> N84WJ, RV-8, 843 hrs
> http://rv-8.blogspot.com/
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> Time: 03:09:09 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Delayed tail cone attaching?
> From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
>
> I don't think that would be a problem. The only issue that I can think of
> would be at the baggage bulkhead. I think you'd have to wait to do that
> until the tailcone is attached.
>
> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Bill Judge <bjudge(at)gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Seems like you'd be able to build the RV-10 in a much smaller place if
> you
>> didn't have to attach the tail cone until much later, like at the
> airport.
>>
>
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> Time: 03:09:41 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Delayed tail cone attaching?
> From: John Cox <rv10pro(at)gmail.com>
>
> Longerons are integral to FWF and fuselage.
>
> John 40600
> On Dec 4, 2012 3:02 PM, "Bill Judge" <bjudge(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>> I'm figuring out space for building an RV-10, translation is that my wife
>> and I are passively shopping for a house.
>>
>> I'm wondering if you can delay attaching the tail cone until after you've
>> completed the firewall forward, interior, windows, doors and just about
>> everything else that takes forever to finish?
>>
>> Seems like you'd be able to build the RV-10 in a much smaller place if
> you
>> didn't have to attach the tail cone until much later, like at the
> airport.
>>
>> Anyway, I'd love to hear some opinions on this.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bill Judge
>> N84WJ, RV-8, 843 hrs
>> http://rv-8.blogspot.com/
>>
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> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
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> Time: 03:57:55 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Delayed tail cone attaching?
> From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
>
> You really need the tailbone attached to be able to do doors and other
> thing
> s. You could possibly attach the rear windows to the cabin top, but that's
> n
> ot a big job. The cabin top installation requires the tailbone to be
> attache
> d.
>
> On the firewall forward, you would really want the upper forward fuselage
> at
> a minimum, and I may worry about things being deformed in the back if I
> did
> n't have the tailcone on, as John mentioned. I have replaced a tailcone on
> a
> finished plane before, so it isn't physically impossible, but the
> tailcone h
> ad originally been on when the rest had been done.
>
> In short, it can probably be done, but it would introduce more risks than
> I w
> ould want. At the very least I would want to Cleco the tailcone on and
> insta
> ll the cabin top permanently before going to the fwf, and that would be
> abso
> lutely necessary, IMHO, before doing the doors.
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse(at)itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> www.mavericklsa.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> O: 352-465-4545
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 4, 2012, at 6:09 PM, John Cox <rv10pro(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Longerons are integral to FWF and fuselage.
>>
>> John 40600
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2012 3:02 PM, "Bill Judge" <bjudge(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Greetings,
>>> I'm figuring out space for building an RV-10, translation is that my
> wife
> and I are passively shopping for a house.
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if you can delay attaching the tail cone until after
> you've
> completed the firewall forward, interior, windows, doors and just about
> eve
> rything else that takes forever to finish?
>>>
>>> Seems like you'd be able to build the RV-10 in a much smaller place if
> yo
> u didn't have to attach the tail cone until much later, like at the
> airport.
>
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'd love to hear some opinions on this.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Bill Judge
>>> N84WJ, RV-8, 843 hrs
>>> http://rv-8.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com
>>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com
>>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com
>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>>>
>>
>>
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> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
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> Time: 06:10:05 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Delayed tail cone attaching?
> From: Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
>
>
> I built 90% of my project in one half of a two car garage. You'll want
> to a
> ttach the tail cone, but you'll can leave the horizontal and vertical off
> un
> til the airport. The biggest issue is where to store the empennage parts
> w
> hile building the wings. I hung mine from the ceiling, but I have 14'
> ceil
> ings in the garage. I couldn't put on the engine mount on in my garage
> due
> to other things in the garage, but if your two car is empty, it shouldn't
> b
> e an issue.
>
> The fuselage and wings will take about the same amount of space.
>
> You won't be able to complete many tasks without the tail cone riveted to
> th
> e fuselage. Leaving it off wouldn't be my recommendation.
>
> Bob
>
>
>> On Dec 4, 2012 3:02 PM, "Bill Judge" <bjudge(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Greetings,
>>> I'm figuring out space for building an RV-10, translation is that my
> wife
> and I are passively shopping for a house.
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if you can delay attaching the tail cone until after
> you've
> completed the firewall forward, interior, windows, doors and just about
> eve
> rything else that takes forever to finish?
>>>
>>> Seems like you'd be able to build the RV-10 in a much smaller place if
> yo
> u didn't have to attach the tail cone until much later, like at the
> airport.
>
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'd love to hear some opinions on this.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Bill Judge
>>> N84WJ, RV-8, 843 hrs
>>> http://rv-8.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com
>>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com
>>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com
>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>>>
>>
>>
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________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 08:13:30 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Delayed tail cone attaching?
From: "Phil White" <philwhite9(at)aol.com>
Bill: I built my -10 in one half a modest 2 car garage, attached tail cone, and
hung my Mazda engine (which with PSRU, is 6" longer than stock to prop flange),
and I could close the garage door with 1/2" to spare. Not easy to pull out
and re-park, but I did it several times, with jockeying. Also built a cradle
that stored both wings leading edge down plus the horiz stab between, and it
fit beside the fuse.
All this to maintain marital peace by allowing wife's car to be in out of Chicago
winters for several years.
Better by far to build at home than drive to a hangar. Those late nite work
session from 10:30 to 11:30 were very productive.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389902#389902
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 08:32:15 AM PST US
Subject: Glideslope Antennas
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
I haven't seen much discussion about the location for glideslope antennas
and I'm going to need to make that decision sometime soon.
What seems to be the standard choice for antenna type and placement? Also
what type of results are you seeing?
Thanks,
Phil
#40750
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 08:43:51 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Glideslope Antennas
From: "Strasnuts" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/comant157p.php
and
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/coupler507.php?clickkey=11684
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40936
RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389905#389905
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 08:49:23 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
That sounds pretty easy. Maybe that's why I never heard any discussion
about it. 
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Strasnuts <sean(at)braunandco.com> wrote:
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> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/comant157p.php
>
> and
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/coupler507.php?clickkey=11684
>
> --------
> 40936
> RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389905#389905
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________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 09:00:37 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas
From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com>
I used the Bob Archer VOR wingtip antenna and the splitter mentioned below. Works
great.
Marcus
40286
On Dec 5, 2012, at 11:43 AM, "Strasnuts" <sean(at)braunandco.com> wrote:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/comant157p.php
and
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/coupler507.php?clickkey=11684
--------
40936
RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389905#389905
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 09:59:41 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Glideslope Antennas
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
As you are seeing, although it is possible to have a separate GS antenna (ever
been in a Cessna with the bow tie antenna on the windscreen?) most people are
using a VOR antenna with a splitter. If you have an SL30 it isn't even an option
- it has a splitter built in for the GS, and the only input is for a VOR antenna.
I too use the Archer wingtip antenna, and it works great. It may have a directionally-dependent
slightly reduced range for VORs, but I have heard no complaints
about it when used for the localizer or GS.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389913#389913
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 10:02:16 AM PST US
From: "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas
There will be a bunch of combinations and personal opinions but just for
reference I installed the Bob Archer in my wingtip for Nav 2 (SL30). My
430W is my NAV1 with the CI-157P on the vertical stab and it uses the
diplexer. At 7000 feet I was averaging around 30-40 miles better
reception on the cat whiskers than the Bob Archer.
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