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 Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:23 pm Post subject: LARAGO ELT info needed |
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Anyone recognize this ELT, or the antenna connector used? The antenna is
missing, & the owner needs either an original 'fixed' antenna, or an
adapter to a regular BNC connector/cable for an external antenna. He has
the telescoping accessory antenna, but his IA won't sign off the plane
with only that antenna.
Thanks,
Charlie
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:40 am Post subject: LARAGO ELT info needed |
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I have a question about this statment.
It's my understanding that a part that must meet TSO
is a part that must be built to meet a Tech spec order.
The manufacturer might build it or an individual might
build it but it must be built to meet the specs of the order.
I take that to mean that I could take a homebuilt ant. to
an avionics shop and have them certify that it meets
the TSO. Where am I going wrong ?
Larry
On Dec 17, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
| Quote: | Charlie, I had this conversation about antennae for ELT's with the Wichita FSDO last summer. The antenna is part of the TSO for the unit. You cannot use any other antenna other than that which the manufacturer supplied with it. Not legally, anyway.
Rick Girard
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:42 am Post subject: LARAGO ELT info needed |
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Richard,Thanks for the info.
Larry
On Dec 17, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
[quote]Larry, Sorry, I'm not an expert on such. I contacted the FSDO to see if I could legally repair an ELT antenna that the previous owner of the aircraft had modified and return it to service. The answer was no. Then I asked if I could make an antenna for it. Again, no. Could I use an antenna from another ELT of the same frequency? Nope. My understanding is that the ELT and its accessories are granted approval to the TSO as a unit. You cannot legally change anything, not even the mounting screws supplied by the mfr.
Rick
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Larry Mac Donald <lm4(at)juno.com (lm4(at)juno.com)> wrote:
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I have a question about this statment.
It's my understanding that a part that must meet TSO
is a part that must be built to meet a Tech spec order.
The manufacturer might build it or an individual might
build it but it must be built to meet the specs of the order.
I take that to mean that I could take a homebuilt ant. to
an avionics shop and have them certify that it meets
the TSO. Where am I going wrong ?
Larry
On Dec 17, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Charlie, I had this conversation about antennae for ELT's with the Wichita FSDO last summer. The antenna is part of the TSO for the unit. You cannot use any other antenna other than that which the manufacturer supplied with it. Not legally, anyway.
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> Rick Girard
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:51 am Post subject: LARAGO ELT info needed |
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<< My understanding is that the ELT and its accessories are granted approval to the TSO as a unit. You cannot legally change anything, not even the mounting screws supplied by the mfr. >>
There is a very small loophole. If the manufacturer's manual gives you an option or specification, you can legally use it. For example, the ACK E-04 manual talks about a ground plane in composite aircraft. They specify 6 pieces of copper tape at least 12" long spaced equidistant around the base. These tapes could be 1/32" wide or 1" wide or wider and still meet the letter of the regulation. Five or seven pieces would not, however. But if I used a solid sheet of metal doubt if anyone would complain.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:02 am Post subject: LARAGO ELT info needed |
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Good Morning All,
This discussion brings up a point with which I do not think all of our participants are aware.
It is very rarely advisable to go to any FSDO to ask a question. Each FSDO is a kingdom unto itself. You will commonly get different answers at different FSDOs .It is not unusual to get different answers from different inspectors at the same FSDO!
Best that we thoroughly research the regulations and, once we determine a consensus in our own mind, press on with the project.
What I generally do is decide what I will say at the hearing.
If I think I have a good case, I will press on.
If I feel my arguments are a bit weak, I back off.
It is kinda like when we tell our children not to do anything you don't want your mother to know about!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 12/17/2012 11:43:09 A.M. Central Standard Time, lm4(at)juno.com writes:
| Quote: | Richard, Thanks for the info.
Larry
On Dec 17, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
| Quote: | Larry, Sorry, I'm not an expert on such. I contacted the FSDO to see if I could legally repair an ELT antenna that the previous owner of the aircraft had modified and return it to service. The answer was no. Then I asked if I could make an antenna for it. Again, no. Could I use an antenna from another ELT of the same frequency? Nope. My understanding is that the ELT and its accessories are granted approval to the TSO as a unit. You cannot legally change anything, not even the mounting screws supplied by the mfr.
Rick
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Larry Mac Donald <lm4(at)juno.com (lm4(at)juno.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald <lm4(at)juno.com (lm4(at)juno.com)>
I have a question about this statment.
It's my understanding that a part that must meet TSO
is a part that must be built to meet a Tech spec order.
The manufacturer might build it or an individual might
build it but it must be built to meet the specs of the order.
I take that to mean that I could take a homebuilt ant. to
an avionics shop and have them certify that it meets
the TSO. Where am I going wrong ?
Larry
On Dec 17, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
| Quote: | Charlie, I had this conversation about antennae for ELT's with the Wichita FSDO last summer. The antenna is part of the TSO for the unit. You cannot use any other antenna other than that which the manufacturer supplied with it. Not legally, anyway.
Rick Girard
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:17 am Post subject: LARAGO ELT info needed |
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It is kinda like when we tell our children not to do anything you don't want your mother to know about! |
You beat me to it sir . . . practical advice in
a very impractical world.
Bob . . . [quote][b]
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ceengland7(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:30 am Post subject: LARAGO ELT info needed |
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Well said, by both Bobs! 
Want to hear the story of the FSDO that forced a homebuilder to surrender the data plate off his Lycoming engine before they'd issue his a/w cert? And at a later date, when he used the same engine on another build, was told that he couldn't get an a/w without the data plate being on the engine.....
I'll bet that you can't find a factory built single engine a/c that has quarterwave antenna installations (other than xponder or gps freqs) that meets TSO for installation.
No one can ID the connector??
Thanks,
Charlie
On 12/17/2012 12:01 PM, BobsV35B(at)aol.com (BobsV35B(at)aol.com) wrote:
[quote] Good Morning All,
This discussion brings up a point with which I do not think all of our participants are aware.
It is very rarely advisable to go to any FSDO to ask a question. Each FSDO is a kingdom unto itself. You will commonly get different answers at different FSDOs .It is not unusual to get different answers from different inspectors at the same FSDO!
Best that we thoroughly research the regulations and, once we determine a consensus in our own mind, press on with the project.
What I generally do is decide what I will say at the hearing.
If I think I have a good case, I will press on.
If I feel my arguments are a bit weak, I back off.
It is kinda like when we tell our children not to do anything you don't want your mother to know about!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 12/17/2012 11:43:09 A.M. Central Standard Time, lm4(at)juno.com (lm4(at)juno.com) writes:
| Quote: | Richard, Thanks for the info.
Larry
On Dec 17, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
| Quote: | Larry, Sorry, I'm not an expert on such. I contacted the FSDO to see if I could legally repair an ELT antenna that the previous owner of the aircraft had modified and return it to service. The answer was no. Then I asked if I could make an antenna for it. Again, no. Could I use an antenna from another ELT of the same frequency? Nope. My understanding is that the ELT and its accessories are granted approval to the TSO as a unit. You cannot legally change anything, not even the mounting screws supplied by the mfr.
Rick
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Larry Mac Donald <lm4(at)juno.com (lm4(at)juno.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald <lm4(at)juno.com (lm4(at)juno.com)>
I have a question about this statment.
It's my understanding that a part that must meet TSO
is a part that must be built to meet a Tech spec order.
The manufacturer might build it or an individual might
build it but it must be built to meet the specs of the order.
I take that to mean that I could take a homebuilt ant. to
an avionics shop and have them certify that it meets
the TSO. Where am I going wrong ?
Larry
On Dec 17, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Charlie, I had this conversation about antennae for ELT's with the Wichita FSDO last summer. The antenna is part of the TSO for the unit. You cannot use any other antenna other than that which the manufacturer supplied with it. Not legally, anyway.
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> Rick Girard
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