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I am wondering how does one get transaction training for a single seat plane like Yak-50? It seems that training in a Yak-52 would be logical for the flying/handling part, but how about the take off/landing portion? I assume doing take off/landing in a Yak-52 does not help with take off/landing a Yak-50 which is a tail-dragger. Is there a place to receive training in a Yak-52TW?
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:32 pm Post subject: Yak-50 Transaction |
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You have to qualify yourself! Taildragger experience on another aircraft definitely helps.
The Yak 50 is not a nasty beast for landing, compared to a Pitts, for instance.
Only my 2 cents (and I'm not an instructor).
Jan
From: Robin Hou <rmhou(at)yahoo.com (rmhou(at)yahoo.com)>
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Subject: Yak-50 Transaction
I am wondering how does one get transaction training for a single seat plane like Yak-50? It seems that training in a Yak-52 would be logical for the flying/handling part, but how about the take off/landing portion? I assume doing take off/landing in a Yak-52 does not help with take off/landing a Yak-50 which is a tail-dragger. Is there a place to receive training in a Yak-52TW?
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jan.mevis(at)informavia.b
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:40 pm Post subject: Yak-50 Transaction |
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Flying and landing the Yak 52 from the backseat also helps.
That's how I learned it.
Jan
From: Jan Mevis <jan.mevis(at)informavia.be (jan.mevis(at)informavia.be)>
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Date: Friday 28 December 2012 21:30
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Subject: Re: Yak-50 Transaction
You have to qualify yourself! Taildragger experience on another aircraft definitely helps.
The Yak 50 is not a nasty beast for landing, compared to a Pitts, for instance.
Only my 2 cents (and I'm not an instructor).
Jan
From: Robin Hou <rmhou(at)yahoo.com (rmhou(at)yahoo.com)>
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Date: Friday 28 December 2012 20:35
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Subject: Yak-50 Transaction
I am wondering how does one get transaction training for a single seat plane like Yak-50? It seems that training in a Yak-52 would be logical for the flying/handling part, but how about the take off/landing portion? I assume doing take off/landing in a Yak-52 does not help with take off/landing a Yak-50 which is a tail-dragger. Is there a place to receive training in a Yak-52TW?
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:29 pm Post subject: Yak-50 Transaction |
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Three things:
1). Training and experience in a YAK 52 is important so you are thoroughly knowledgable in the single hand brake/rudder bar experience. This is 'unique' in a trike, critical in a tail wheel aircraft. Make sure you are comfortable in it.
2). The YAK 50 is BLIND on takeoff and landing!!! Until you get the tail up or when you put it down, you are BLIND forward vision. For practice have a WIDE and long runway. I have since operated off a 15 foot wide runway but didn't enjoy it.
3). The Yak 50 has LOTS of power for its weight. You DO NOT have enough rudder initially for a full power application. Lock the tail wheel and add power slowly until you get the tail up. The good need is you'll be off the ground less than 400 feet!
The Yak 50 is an easy tail wheel aircraft to takeoff and land, once you master the above. A truly a delight in the air, much, much better than a -52 and 'Chang. Plus you don't have to listen to anybody breathing in the intercom 
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On Dec 28, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis(at)informavia.be (jan.mevis(at)informavia.be)> wrote:
[quote]Flying and landing the Yak 52 from the backseat also helps.
That's how I learned it.
Jan
From: Jan Mevis <jan.mevis(at)informavia.be (jan.mevis(at)informavia.be)>
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Date: Friday 28 December 2012 21:30
To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)" <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Re: Yak-50 Transaction
You have to qualify yourself! Taildragger experience on another aircraft definitely helps.
The Yak 50 is not a nasty beast for landing, compared to a Pitts, for instance.
Only my 2 cents (and I'm not an instructor).
Jan
From: Robin Hou <rmhou(at)yahoo.com (rmhou(at)yahoo.com)>
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Date: Friday 28 December 2012 20:35
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Subject: Yak-50 Transaction
I am wondering how does one get transaction training for a single seat plane like Yak-50? It seems that training in a Yak-52 would be logical for the flying/handling part, but how about the take off/landing portion? I assume doing take off/landing in a Yak-52 does not help with take off/landing a Yak-50 which is a tail-dragger. Is there a place to receive training in a Yak-52TW?
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:57 pm Post subject: Yak-50 Transaction |
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Oh poop!
Bill
On Dec 28, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Jj <Jetj01(at)aol.com (Jetj01(at)aol.com)> wrote:
[quote]Three things:
1). Training and experience in a YAK 52 is important so you are thoroughly knowledgable in the single hand brake/rudder bar experience. This is 'unique' in a trike, critical in a tail wheel aircraft. Make sure you are comfortable in it.
2). The YAK 50 is BLIND on takeoff and landing!!! Until you get the tail up or when you put it down, you are BLIND forward vision. For practice have a WIDE and long runway. I have since operated off a 15 foot wide runway but didn't enjoy it.
3). The Yak 50 has LOTS of power for its weight. You DO NOT have enough rudder initially for a full power application. Lock the tail wheel and add power slowly until you get the tail up. The good need is you'll be off the ground less than 400 feet!
The Yak 50 is an easy tail wheel aircraft to takeoff and land, once you master the above. A truly a delight in the air, much, much better than a -52 and 'Chang. Plus you don't have to listen to anybody breathing in the intercom
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 28, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis(at)informavia.be (jan.mevis(at)informavia.be)> wrote:
| Quote: | Flying and landing the Yak 52 from the backseat also helps.
That's how I learned it.
Jan
From: Jan Mevis <jan.mevis(at)informavia.be (jan.mevis(at)informavia.be)>
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Date: Friday 28 December 2012 21:30
To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)" <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Re: Yak-50 Transaction
You have to qualify yourself! Taildragger experience on another aircraft definitely helps.
The Yak 50 is not a nasty beast for landing, compared to a Pitts, for instance.
Only my 2 cents (and I'm not an instructor).
Jan
From: Robin Hou <rmhou(at)yahoo.com (rmhou(at)yahoo.com)>
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Date: Friday 28 December 2012 20:35
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Subject: Yak-50 Transaction
I am wondering how does one get transaction training for a single seat plane like Yak-50? It seems that training in a Yak-52 would be logical for the flying/handling part, but how about the take off/landing portion? I assume doing take off/landing in a Yak-52 does not help with take off/landing a Yak-50 which is a tail-dragger. Is there a place to receive training in a Yak-52TW?
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:57 pm Post subject: Yak-50 Transaction |
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Not sure what is meant by Bill's comment?
Been flying the 50 for roughly 5 years. It is almost as much fun as the Viper.. I said almost.
Blind TO till the tail is up is true. Three points look exactly the same as when you are sitting on the numbers for TO. Remember that site picture as you sit with your but 2 feet off the ground. Your whole visual field is what you see out of your angle window as you sit there at 13.5 deg. Alpha. You are going fly your base turn and final at that alpha to slow her down to full stall with your butt 2 feet off the ground in the three point landing. AS- Perch 150 kilometers/hr, Final 130KPH, hold her off over the numbers at about 2 1/2 feet off the deck until she stalls at 103 KPH.
Will give more info later. Wife pissed..our wedding anniversary and I'm talking about flying the YAK 50...Hmmmm... after 38 years...priorities!
Love the girl though... Named my 52 after her.
P.S.
Backseat landings in the 52 helps but your butt is 9 feet off the ground when all is said and done so you will be looking for that site picture sub consciously the first time or so.
Doc
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On Dec 28, 2012, at 3:54 PM, Bill Geipel <czech6(at)mesanetworks.net (czech6(at)mesanetworks.net)> wrote:
[quote]Oh poop!
Bill
On Dec 28, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Jj <Jetj01(at)aol.com (Jetj01(at)aol.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Three things:
1). Training and experience in a YAK 52 is important so you are thoroughly knowledgable in the single hand brake/rudder bar experience. This is 'unique' in a trike, critical in a tail wheel aircraft. Make sure you are comfortable in it.
2). The YAK 50 is BLIND on takeoff and landing!!! Until you get the tail up or when you put it down, you are BLIND forward vision. For practice have a WIDE and long runway. I have since operated off a 15 foot wide runway but didn't enjoy it.
3). The Yak 50 has LOTS of power for its weight. You DO NOT have enough rudder initially for a full power application. Lock the tail wheel and add power slowly until you get the tail up. The good need is you'll be off the ground less than 400 feet!
The Yak 50 is an easy tail wheel aircraft to takeoff and land, once you master the above. A truly a delight in the air, much, much better than a -52 and 'Chang. Plus you don't have to listen to anybody breathing in the intercom
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 28, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis(at)informavia.be (jan.mevis(at)informavia.be)> wrote:
| Quote: | Flying and landing the Yak 52 from the backseat also helps.
That's how I learned it.
Jan
From: Jan Mevis <jan.mevis(at)informavia.be (jan.mevis(at)informavia.be)>
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Date: Friday 28 December 2012 21:30
To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)" <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Re: Yak-50 Transaction
You have to qualify yourself! Taildragger experience on another aircraft definitely helps.
The Yak 50 is not a nasty beast for landing, compared to a Pitts, for instance.
Only my 2 cents (and I'm not an instructor).
Jan
From: Robin Hou <rmhou(at)yahoo.com (rmhou(at)yahoo.com)>
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Date: Friday 28 December 2012 20:35
To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)" <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Yak-50 Transaction
I am wondering how does one get transaction training for a single seat plane like Yak-50? It seems that training in a Yak-52 would be logical for the flying/handling part, but how about the take off/landing portion? I assume doing take off/landing in a Yak-52 does not help with take off/landing a Yak-50 which is a tail-dragger. Is there a place to receive training in a Yak-52TW?
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:47 pm Post subject: Yak-50 Transaction |
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It was for Jj. (LoL)
Bill
On Dec 28, 2012, at 8:54 PM, "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com (viperdoc(at)mindspring.com)> wrote:
[quote]Not sure what is meant by Bill's comment?
Been flying the 50 for roughly 5 years. It is almost as much fun as the Viper.. I said almost.
Blind TO till the tail is up is true. Three points look exactly the same as when you are sitting on the numbers for TO. Remember that site picture as you sit with your but 2 feet off the ground. Your whole visual field is what you see out of your angle window as you sit there at 13.5 deg. Alpha. You are going fly your base turn and final at that alpha to slow her down to full stall with your butt 2 feet off the ground in the three point landing. AS- Perch 150 kilometers/hr, Final 130KPH, hold her off over the numbers at about 2 1/2 feet off the deck until she stalls at 103 KPH.
Will give more info later. Wife pissed...our wedding anniversary and I'm talking about flying the YAK 50...Hmmmm... after 38 years...priorities!
Love the girl though... Named my 52 after her.
P.S.
Backseat landings in the 52 helps but your butt is 9 feet off the ground when all is said and done so you will be looking for that site picture sub consciously the first time or so.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 28, 2012, at 3:54 PM, Bill Geipel <czech6(at)mesanetworks.net (czech6(at)mesanetworks.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | Oh poop!
Bill
On Dec 28, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Jj <Jetj01(at)aol.com (Jetj01(at)aol.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Three things:
1). Training and experience in a YAK 52 is important so you are thoroughly knowledgable in the single hand brake/rudder bar experience. This is 'unique' in a trike, critical in a tail wheel aircraft. Make sure you are comfortable in it.
2). The YAK 50 is BLIND on takeoff and landing!!! Until you get the tail up or when you put it down, you are BLIND forward vision. For practice have a WIDE and long runway. I have since operated off a 15 foot wide runway but didn't enjoy it.
3). The Yak 50 has LOTS of power for its weight. You DO NOT have enough rudder initially for a full power application. Lock the tail wheel and add power slowly until you get the tail up. The good need is you'll be off the ground less than 400 feet!
The Yak 50 is an easy tail wheel aircraft to takeoff and land, once you master the above. A truly a delight in the air, much, much better than a -52 and 'Chang. Plus you don't have to listen to anybody breathing in the intercom
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 28, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis(at)informavia.be (jan.mevis(at)informavia.be)> wrote:
| Quote: | Flying and landing the Yak 52 from the backseat also helps.
That's how I learned it.
Jan
From: Jan Mevis <jan.mevis(at)informavia.be (jan.mevis(at)informavia.be)>
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Date: Friday 28 December 2012 21:30
To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)" <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Re: Yak-50 Transaction
You have to qualify yourself! Taildragger experience on another aircraft definitely helps.
The Yak 50 is not a nasty beast for landing, compared to a Pitts, for instance.
Only my 2 cents (and I'm not an instructor).
Jan
From: Robin Hou <rmhou(at)yahoo.com (rmhou(at)yahoo.com)>
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Date: Friday 28 December 2012 20:35
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Subject: Yak-50 Transaction
I am wondering how does one get transaction training for a single seat plane like Yak-50? It seems that training in a Yak-52 would be logical for the flying/handling part, but how about the take off/landing portion? I assume doing take off/landing in a Yak-52 does not help with take off/landing a Yak-50 which is a tail-dragger. Is there a place to receive training in a Yak-52TW?
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Find a good tailwheel instructor in a J-3. You can't see anything from the back of a J-3 (where you solo it from). Forget a Citabira or Decathlon unless they put you in the back so all you see is their head in front of you. This will give you the blind forward sight picture and let you learn how to track down the runway looking sideways (like on an element takeoff). The difference is that these plane have full rudder authority on initial t/o roll and from what I read, the 50 does not. Get some time in a 52 or CJ to learn the differential braking.
Per the FAA you will need a tw endorsement anyway unless you are grandfathered in with tw PIC time prior to April 15, 1991.
FAR 61.31
(i) Additional training required for operating tailwheel airplanes. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (i)(2) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of a tailwheel airplane unless that person has received and logged flight training from an authorized instructor in a tailwheel airplane and received an endorsement in the person's logbook from an authorized instructor who found the person proficient in the operation of a tailwheel airplane. The flight training must include at least the following maneuvers and procedures:
(i) Normal and crosswind takeoffs and landings;
(ii) Wheel landings (unless the manufacturer has recommended against such landings); and
(iii) Go-around procedures.
(2) The training and endorsement required by paragraph (i)(1) of this section is not required if the person logged pilot-in-command time in a tailwheel airplane before April 15, 1991.
Hope this helps.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:59 am Post subject: Re: Yak-50 Transaction |
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My agreement is with Jj. 52 time is a must. For most people getting the 52 to the runway is the hardest part of flying one, let alone parking it where you want it. I flew the Super Decathlon first and learned to keep it straight. I practiced adding power slow in the 52 to counter the prop and found it along with the 52TW roll straight for quite a while if you don't get in a big hurry. Get in a hurry and add lots of power and you will be greeted with a wild ride if you don't know how to use the air brakes and your use to adding right rudder. If you fly the back seat of a 52 with a 6'4" pilot in the front like me your pretty much IFR in the back seat anyway. I fly from the back seat of a 52 and feel the landing view is the same as a 52TW in a three point all the way to touchdown on final. Being farther back behind the wing gives you a better feel of crab or slip in the longitudinal axis of the plane and makes it easier to keep it straight on final until touchdown when the world disappears . The 52TW also has toe brakes and has nothing in common with the 52/50 in that respect. Now if you could find someone to give you time in a 52TD back seat your all set.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:38 pm Post subject: Yak-50 Transaction |
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Copy, Bill.
Doc
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On Dec 28, 2012, at 10:43 PM, Bill Geipel <czech6(at)mesanetworks.net (czech6(at)mesanetworks.net)> wrote:
[quote]It was for Jj. (LoL)
Bill
On Dec 28, 2012, at 8:54 PM, "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com (viperdoc(at)mindspring.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Not sure what is meant by Bill's comment?
Been flying the 50 for roughly 5 years. It is almost as much fun as the Viper.. I said almost.
Blind TO till the tail is up is true. Three points look exactly the same as when you are sitting on the numbers for TO. Remember that site picture as you sit with your but 2 feet off the ground. Your whole visual field is what you see out of your angle window as you sit there at 13.5 deg. Alpha. You are going fly your base turn and final at that alpha to slow her down to full stall with your butt 2 feet off the ground in the three point landing. AS- Perch 150 kilometers/hr, Final 130KPH, hold her off over the numbers at about 2 1/2 feet off the deck until she stalls at 103 KPH.
Will give more info later. Wife pissed...our wedding anniversary and I'm talking about flying the YAK 50...Hmmmm... after 38 years...priorities!
Love the girl though... Named my 52 after her.
P.S.
Backseat landings in the 52 helps but your butt is 9 feet off the ground when all is said and done so you will be looking for that site picture sub consciously the first time or so.
Doc
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On Dec 28, 2012, at 3:54 PM, Bill Geipel <czech6(at)mesanetworks.net (czech6(at)mesanetworks.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | Oh poop!
Bill
On Dec 28, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Jj <Jetj01(at)aol.com (Jetj01(at)aol.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Three things:
1). Training and experience in a YAK 52 is important so you are thoroughly knowledgable in the single hand brake/rudder bar experience. This is 'unique' in a trike, critical in a tail wheel aircraft. Make sure you are comfortable in it.
2). The YAK 50 is BLIND on takeoff and landing!!! Until you get the tail up or when you put it down, you are BLIND forward vision. For practice have a WIDE and long runway. I have since operated off a 15 foot wide runway but didn't enjoy it.
3). The Yak 50 has LOTS of power for its weight. You DO NOT have enough rudder initially for a full power application. Lock the tail wheel and add power slowly until you get the tail up. The good need is you'll be off the ground less than 400 feet!
The Yak 50 is an easy tail wheel aircraft to takeoff and land, once you master the above. A truly a delight in the air, much, much better than a -52 and 'Chang. Plus you don't have to listen to anybody breathing in the intercom
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On Dec 28, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis(at)informavia.be (jan.mevis(at)informavia.be)> wrote:
| Quote: | Flying and landing the Yak 52 from the backseat also helps.
That's how I learned it.
Jan
From: Jan Mevis <jan.mevis(at)informavia.be (jan.mevis(at)informavia.be)>
Reply-To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)" <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>
Date: Friday 28 December 2012 21:30
To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)" <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Re: Yak-50 Transaction
You have to qualify yourself! Taildragger experience on another aircraft definitely helps.
The Yak 50 is not a nasty beast for landing, compared to a Pitts, for instance.
Only my 2 cents (and I'm not an instructor).
Jan
From: Robin Hou <rmhou(at)yahoo.com (rmhou(at)yahoo.com)>
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Date: Friday 28 December 2012 20:35
To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)" <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Yak-50 Transaction
I am wondering how does one get transaction training for a single seat plane like Yak-50? It seems that training in a Yak-52 would be logical for the flying/handling part, but how about the take off/landing portion? I assume doing take off/landing in a Yak-52 does not help with take off/landing a Yak-50 which is a tail-dragger. Is there a place to receive training in a Yak-52TW?
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:27 am Post subject: Yak-50 Transaction |
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Dale,
Agree also with what you and Jj say the but is in where your Butt is in the sight picture over the thresh hold and on the numbers. When I'm on final in the 50 I don't see anything over the nose unless I slip or push the nose over to see the centerline. Push the nose over and get rewarded with an almost instant 10-20 KPH increase in airspeed. Meaning landing long for the three point landing. So I slip on short final to watch the approach on short final. Granted this is for three point landings. My personal preference since the aircraft has a much shorter roll out and is better controlled in cross winds. Not that 3 m squared is much of a crosswind.
Doc
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On Dec 29, 2012, at 9:59 AM, "Dale" <dale(at)frii.com> wrote:
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My agreement is with Jj. 52 time is a must. For most people getting the 52 to the runway is the hardest part of flying one, let alone parking it where you want it. I flew the Super Decathlon first and learned to keep it straight. I practiced adding power slow in the 52 to counter the prop and found it along with the TW roll straight for quite a while if you don't get in a big hurry. Get in a hurry and add lots of power and you will be greeted with a wild ride if you don't know how to use the air brakes and your use to adding right rudder. If you fly the back seat of a 52 with a 6'4" pilot in the front like me your pretty much IFR in the back seat anyway. I fly from the back seat of a 52 and feel the landing view is the same as a TW in a three point all the way to touchdown on final. Being farther back behind the wing gives you a better feel of crab or slip in the longitudinal axis of the plane and makes it easier to keep it straight on final until touchdown when the w!
orld disappears . The TW also has toe brakes and has nothing in common with the 52/50 in that respect. Now if you could find someone to give you time in a TD back seat your all set.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:47 am Post subject: Yak-50 Transaction |
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Since I've owned my 50, I've read quite a number of times that you need to add power slowly because there is not enough rudder for full power applications on take-off.
Sadly, I did not know that when I purchased mine and did it anyway. I also swerved all over the place until I finally got my feet working the way they should.
It is indeed a learned reaction, but it can be done with a little practice. It's like doing the perfect slow roll, not something you can really think about as it happens, it has to instead be a case of muscle memory.
Not disagreeing with Jj in anyway, just adding a personal observation.
Mark
From: Jj
Sent: Fri 12/28/2012 4:26 PM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-50 Transaction
Three things:
1). Training and experience in a YAK 52 is important so you are thoroughly knowledgable in the single hand brake/rudder bar experience. This is 'unique' in a trike, critical in a tail wheel aircraft. Make sure you are comfortable in it.
2). The YAK 50 is BLIND on takeoff and landing!!! Until you get the tail up or when you put it down, you are BLIND forward vision. For practice have a WIDE and long runway. I have since operated off a 15 foot wide runway but didn't enjoy it.
3). The Yak 50 has LOTS of power for its weight. You DO NOT have enough rudder initially for a full power application. Lock the tail wheel and add power slowly until you get the tail up. The good need is you'll be off the ground less than 400 feet!
The Yak 50 is an easy tail wheel aircraft to takeoff and land, once you master the above. A truly a delight in the air, much, much better than a -52 and 'Chang. Plus you don't have to listen to anybody breathing in the intercom
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 28, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis(at)informavia.be (jan.mevis(at)informavia.be)> wrote:
[quote] Flying and landing the Yak 52 from the backseat also helps.
That's how I learned it.
Jan
From: Jan Mevis <jan.mevis(at)informavia.be (jan.mevis(at)informavia.be)>
Reply-To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)" <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>
Date: Friday 28 December 2012 21:30
To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)" <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Re: Yak-50 Transaction
You have to qualify yourself! Taildragger experience on another aircraft definitely helps.
The Yak 50 is not a nasty beast for landing, compared to a Pitts, for instance.
Only my 2 cents (and I'm not an instructor).
Jan
From: Robin Hou <rmhou(at)yahoo.com (rmhou(at)yahoo.com)>
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Date: Friday 28 December 2012 20:35
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Subject: Yak-50 Transaction
I am wondering how does one get transaction training for a single seat plane like Yak-50? It seems that training in a Yak-52 would be logical for the flying/handling part, but how about the take off/landing portion? I assume doing take off/landing in a Yak-52 does not help with take off/landing a Yak-50 which is a tail-dragger. Is there a place to receive training in a Yak-52TW?
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