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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:40 am Post subject: Proseal cartridges

Looking at doing a set of tanks, last time I just used

quarts of proseal.  I'm considering just doing that again,

as it looks like the cheapest way to go.  I know that

there were semco guns and cartridges for proseal though.

Van's shows them and they're only 3.5 oz kits.

Is there something in between that I'm missing?

I mean, if I want to get like 1.5 quarts worth, is there

any *affordable* way to do this with cartridges so that

I don't have the mix and mess....or should I just tough

it out and do the old ziploc bag squeezer thing again?

I hate proseal...as does everyone, but I'm glad to build

my own tanks so I know they were built leak-free with

plenty of goo.

Tim

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charliewaffles

Joined: 15 Mar 2011
Posts: 18

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:59 am Post subject: Re: Proseal cartridges

You could do a hybrid solution. Those SEM catridges can be re-used. So you could get two of the cartridges and a quart of proseal. When the cartridge is used up, you pull the plunger and wait for it to cure, pull the proseal out and refill from the quart container.

Bajajim

Joined: 21 Aug 2012
Posts: 30

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:09 am Post subject: Proseal cartridges

You could also go to Home Depot, Buy a $2 tube of latex calk, empty the

cartridge and use it...

Works GREAT!!!

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jeff(at)westcottpress.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:09 am Post subject: Proseal cartridges

Hi Tim,



I mixed small batches with tongue depressors on paper cards... then spread it on the flanges with the tongue depressors... could almost pull it off without gloves.



Jeff Carpenter

40304

On Jan 2, 2013, at 8:39 AM, Tim Olson wrote:



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 Looking at doing a set of tanks, last time I just used

 quarts of proseal.  I'm considering just doing that again,

 as it looks like the cheapest way to go.  I know that

 there were semco guns and cartridges for proseal though.

 Van's shows them and they're only 3.5 oz kits.

 Is there something in between that I'm missing?

 I mean, if I want to get like 1.5 quarts worth, is there

 any *affordable* way to do this with cartridges so that

 I don't have the mix and mess....or should I just tough

 it out and do the old ziploc bag squeezer thing again?

 I hate proseal...as does everyone, but I'm glad to build

 my own tanks so I know they were built leak-free with

 plenty of goo.

 Tim

 do not archive

rv10pro(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:32 am Post subject: Proseal cartridges

Your killing me Tim.  By now you should know we blow through more than a dozen cartridges a day at work. 

Just let me know how many you want.  I demo using a HF air tip with rubber boot to reverse blow the cured empty cartridge apart.  The thermoplastic is re- usable.  I also have different new tips for various reaches.  

Allows batches to be mixed in buckets or cups and then loaded for use into pre-used cartridges.  Let me know if you don't have access to a pneumatic pro seal gun.  Will loan whatever you need as late birthday present.  Keeping you cost low is payback for all that you have done for the RV-10 family.  

The baggies went the way of H-5606 back in the dark ages of building those first RV-10's  

OK I knew there would someday be an advantage of getting old and taking a decade on builds. 

John 40600 On Jan 2, 2013 8:44 AM, "Tim Olson" <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:[quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

 

 Looking at doing a set of tanks, last time I just used

 quarts of proseal.  I'm considering just doing that again,

 as it looks like the cheapest way to go.  I know that

 there were semco guns and cartridges for proseal though.

 Van's shows them and they're only 3.5 oz kits.

 Is there something in between that I'm missing?

 I mean, if I want to get like 1.5 quarts worth, is there

 any *affordable* way to do this with cartridges so that

 I don't have the mix and mess....or should I just tough

 it out and do the old ziploc bag squeezer thing again?

 I hate proseal...as does everyone, but I'm glad to build

 my own tanks so I know they were built leak-free with

 plenty of goo.

 Tim

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Tim Olson

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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:33 am Post subject: Proseal cartridges

On 1/2/2013 11:08 AM, JimVillani wrote:

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 You could also go to Home Depot, Buy a $2 tube of latex calk, empty the

 cartridge and use it...

 Works GREAT!!!




	


You know, after seeing the reply on the empty tubes, I was

thinking that same thing to myself....."why can't I just buy

a nice plastic tube of caulk and do the same dang thing".

That's a great idea.

Sold!

Tim

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:36 am Post subject: Proseal cartridges

That's pretty much what I did the first time.  Mixed it on

paper plates and use tongue depressors.  I found that

loading a flexible ziploc bag was tough...the bag was

too flimsy.  But, the caulk tube, now THAT would be easier

to load.  The plate thing will work too, as a backup, because

that's how I'll mix it to load the tubes.  So I think that's

a winning combination....and of course, once I have the ribs

in place, I'll use the tongue depressors to get the top sides

of the rivets too.

Very good, thanks guys.

PS: The RV14 is so very similar in starting the wings to

the RV-10...it's amazing. I started to scratch my head

a couple times and then looked at my RV-10 website photos

and it was instantly clear.  I can't believe it's been

almost 7 years since I first flew, and that puts it

at nearly 9 years since I built wings.  Time sure funs

when you're having flytime!

Tim

On 1/2/2013 11:09 AM, Jeff Carpenter wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Hi Tim,

 I mixed small batches with tongue depressors on paper cards... then spread it on the flanges with the tongue depressors... could almost pull it off without gloves.

 Jeff Carpenter

 40304

 On Jan 2, 2013, at 8:39 AM, Tim Olson wrote:

> 

>

> Looking at doing a set of tanks, last time I just used

> quarts of proseal.  I'm considering just doing that again,

> as it looks like the cheapest way to go.  I know that

> there were semco guns and cartridges for proseal though.

> Van's shows them and they're only 3.5 oz kits.

> Is there something in between that I'm missing?

> I mean, if I want to get like 1.5 quarts worth, is there

> any *affordable* way to do this with cartridges so that

> I don't have the mix and mess....or should I just tough

> it out and do the old ziploc bag squeezer thing again?

> I hate proseal...as does everyone, but I'm glad to build

> my own tanks so I know they were built leak-free with

> plenty of goo.

> Tim

> do not archive

>

seipel(at)seznam.cz
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:49 am Post subject: Proseal cartridges

Tim,



I bought a used semco gun on ebay for $30, and the empty cartridges from 

Aircraft Spruce (although they seem to be available on ebay as well, 

maybe cheaper) and filled them myself from the quart kit.  Not as cheap 

as using a ziplock bag, but much more controllable and way less messy in 

my opinion.  Overall costs less than using the pre-filled cartridges, 

but you still have to mix and then shove the goo into the cartridge. 

I've also used the semco gun/cartridges for applying epoxy/micro, etc so 

I feel like it was a worthwhile purchase.



If you go with that route, be advised that you need the empty cartridge, 

the nozzle, and the plunger which are sold separately and altogether 

cost about $2.60 a set from ACS.



PJ Seipel

RV-10 #40032 - I'll finish someday..



On 1/2/2013 08:39, Tim Olson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Looking at doing a set of tanks, last time I just used

 quarts of proseal.  I'm considering just doing that again,

 as it looks like the cheapest way to go.  I know that

 there were semco guns and cartridges for proseal though.

 Van's shows them and they're only 3.5 oz kits.

 Is there something in between that I'm missing?

 I mean, if I want to get like 1.5 quarts worth, is there

 any *affordable* way to do this with cartridges so that

 I don't have the mix and mess....or should I just tough

 it out and do the old ziploc bag squeezer thing again?

 I hate proseal...as does everyone, but I'm glad to build

 my own tanks so I know they were built leak-free with

 plenty of goo.

 Tim

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rv10flyer(at)live.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:49 am Post subject: Proseal cartridges

I used Q-tips, took the cotton off and used the sticks to work around the 

rivets. My thought was to use as little proseal without missing a pin hole. 

The other option is the wooden coffee stirrer found at supermarkets.

The caulk tube option is another way. put the end-tip over the rivet (put 

the tip into the rivet until it is flush with the skin) and by default the 

proseal will cover the area than use a smaller piece as above to smooth it 

around the rivets- if needed.

7 years.. gee whiz you aren't kidding! I can't believe it has been that long 

either.

Pascal



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rleffler

Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Posts: 680

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:09 am Post subject: Re: Proseal cartridges

I bought empty cartridges to fill.  I found it much easier just to mix on a paper plate and use a tongue depressor to apply, that to go through the fuss of filling the tube.  It also cut down on your working time, but then it took me awhile to get the tube filled.



You can buy empty cartridges from the local supply shops.  They're pretty inexpensive.   



I do know somebody that has one of the large cartridges from Van's with I believe a 3/13 expiration that I'm sure he'll make a deal if somebody wanted it.  Email me for the contact information if interested.



bob

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Lenny Iszak

Joined: 23 Mar 2008
Posts: 270

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Proseal cartridges

Tim,



You could also use these: 



http://www.merrittsupply.com/products/27915-west-system-fillable-caulking-tube-pn-810-24.aspx



They are just empty caulking tubes. Cheap enough to not have to worry about cleaning them up.



Lenny

Ron B.

Joined: 17 Feb 2009
Posts: 103
Location: Nova Scotia

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: Proseal cartridges

By utilizing used caulk tubes, are we not concerned about contamination and what it might do to proseal cure?

Bajajim

Joined: 21 Aug 2012
Posts: 30

Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:43 pm Post subject: Proseal cartridges

Latex Calk,

Soap and water clean up...

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