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 Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:49 pm Post subject: Low Cost ELT Antenna |
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I’m several weeks away from completing my Cygnet project. The aircraft has no electrical system, and I’ve installed an older Narco ELT 10 as it is theoretically a two seat aircraft. However, I don’t have an antenna or a plan for one. What would be the simplest and least expensive way to go? The Cygnet is steel tube and fabric with a wood/fabric covered wing.
Thanks,
Jerry Folkerts
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Kellym
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:07 pm Post subject: Low Cost ELT Antenna |
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Hate to tell you this, but it is illegal to install an original type ELT
in any aircraft as a new install. If it had a Narco about 20 years ago,
before they were made obsolete by regulation, you could still replace
with same model legally, but you can't use one as a new install. The
ELT10 is a first generation, designed in the early 70's, and does not
meet current requirements, so only old installations are grandfathered.
You are going to need a second generation ELT, such as the Artex, ACK,
or Ameriking. The cheapest new are a little under 200. You also have to
use the antenna it comes with.
If your aircraft requires an ELT, it must be a TSO ELT of the second
generation or newer, and the TSO requires using the antenna with which
TSO was granted
On 1/12/2013 8:48 PM, Jerald Folkerts wrote:
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I’m several weeks away from completing my Cygnet project. The aircraft
has no electrical system, and I’ve installed an older Narco ELT 10 as
it is theoretically a two seat aircraft. However, I don’t have an
antenna or a plan for one. What would be the simplest and least
expensive way to go? The Cygnet is steel tube and fabric with a
wood/fabric covered wing.
Thanks,
Jerry Folkerts
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dalamphere(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 2:09 am Post subject: Low Cost ELT Antenna |
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The Cygnet is an experimental homebuilt - I don't believe there is any
restrictions as to what he installs.
There used to be do-it-yourself plans in several places including the
aeroelectric site if you wanted to do that. There are also (in my
opinion) affordable stub antennas you can buy. You'll probably have to
mount it on an aluminum panel or equivalent ground plane. On my
Tailwind I mounted my xpdr antenna on a belly pan.
Dave
On Jan 12, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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Hate to tell you this, but it is illegal to install an original type
ELT in any aircraft as a new install. If it had a Narco about 20
years ago, before they were made obsolete by regulation, you could
still replace with same model legally, but you can't use one as a
new install. The ELT10 is a first generation, designed in the early
70's, and does not meet current requirements, so only old
installations are grandfathered. You are going to need a second
generation ELT, such as the Artex, ACK, or Ameriking. The cheapest
new are a little under 200. You also have to use the antenna it
comes with.
If your aircraft requires an ELT, it must be a TSO ELT of the second
generation or newer, and the TSO requires using the antenna with
which TSO was granted
On 1/12/2013 8:48 PM, Jerald Folkerts wrote:
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> I’m several weeks away from completing my Cygnet project. The
> aircraft has no electrical system, and I’ve installed an older
> Narco ELT 10 as it is theoretically a two seat aircraft. However, I
> don’t have an antenna or a plan for one. What would be the simplest
> and least expensive way to go? The Cygnet is steel tube and fabric
> with a wood/fabric covered wing.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jerry Folkerts
>
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Kellym
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:40 am Post subject: Low Cost ELT Antenna |
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The ELT requirement applies to ALL aircraft that have to have one.
Experimental have to use an ELT meeting the TSO requirements, which you
are unlikely to be able to meet without actual testing. It is not an
area to go cheap. The first generation ELTs had rampant false alarms and
frequent failure to activate in crashes.
Given the under $200 price of a new, compliant ELT, trying to go cheap
with a non-compliant ELT is pennywise, pound foolish, as well as being
illegal.
You have a different situation with a transponder antenna, in that there
is test equipment, used in your certification and bi-annual tests that
shows your transponder system, including antenna meets the TSO requirement.
On 1/13/2013 3:09 AM, David & Elaine Lamphere wrote:
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<dalamphere(at)comcast.net>
The Cygnet is an experimental homebuilt - I don't believe there is any
restrictions as to what he installs.
There used to be do-it-yourself plans in several places including the
aeroelectric site if you wanted to do that. There are also (in my
opinion) affordable stub antennas you can buy. You'll probably have to
mount it on an aluminum panel or equivalent ground plane. On my
Tailwind I mounted my xpdr antenna on a belly pan.
Dave
On Jan 12, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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> <kellym(at)aviating.com>
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> Hate to tell you this, but it is illegal to install an original type
> ELT in any aircraft as a new install. If it had a Narco about 20
> years ago, before they were made obsolete by regulation, you could
> still replace with same model legally, but you can't use one as a new
> install. The ELT10 is a first generation, designed in the early 70's,
> and does not meet current requirements, so only old installations are
> grandfathered. You are going to need a second generation ELT, such as
> the Artex, ACK, or Ameriking. The cheapest new are a little under
> 200. You also have to use the antenna it comes with.
> If your aircraft requires an ELT, it must be a TSO ELT of the second
> generation or newer, and the TSO requires using the antenna with
> which TSO was granted
>
> On 1/12/2013 8:48 PM, Jerald Folkerts wrote:
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>> I’m several weeks away from completing my Cygnet project. The
>> aircraft has no electrical system, and I’ve installed an older Narco
>> ELT 10 as it is theoretically a two seat aircraft. However, I don’t
>> have an antenna or a plan for one. What would be the simplest and
>> least expensive way to go? The Cygnet is steel tube and fabric with
>> a wood/fabric covered wing.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jerry Folkerts
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harley(at)AgelessWings.co
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:06 am Post subject: Low Cost ELT Antenna |
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Haven't seen another point addressed yet. Or else I missed it. But, these new multi frequency ELTs that go for around $200-$300 are usually portable units and don't trigger automatically in a crash situation. Are these allowable in experimental aircraft? Do we need to install something that triggers by itself if need be, or are those that have to be manually activated after the "landing" sufficient for the FAA?
Harley
On 1/13/2013 10:39 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
[quote]The ELT requirement applies to ALL aircraft that have to have one. Experimental have to use an ELT meeting the TSO requirements, which you are unlikely to be able to meet without actual testing. It is not an area to go cheap. The first generation ELTs had rampant false alarms and frequent failure to activate in crashes.
Given the under $200 price of a new, compliant ELT, trying to go cheap with a non-compliant ELT is pennywise, pound foolish, as well as being illegal.
You have a different situation with a transponder antenna, in that there is test equipment, used in your certification and bi-annual tests that shows your transponder system, including antenna meets the TSO requirement. [b]
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Kellym
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:48 am Post subject: Low Cost ELT Antenna |
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The second generation ELTs are TSO-C91A compliant. They must be
"installed", but some are removable for portable use. Example Ameri-king
AK-450 for ~$190. They are Not PLBs, and they are only 121.5/243.0mhz
units. To get a legal 406mhz ELT you are looking at ~$600 minimum such
as ACK E-04.
On 1/13/2013 9:05 AM, Harley wrote:
| Quote: | Haven't seen another point addressed yet. Or else I missed it. But,
these new multi frequency ELTs that go for around $200-$300 are
usually portable units and don't trigger automatically in a crash
situation. Are these allowable in experimental aircraft? Do we need
to install something that triggers by itself if need be, or are those
that have to be manually activated after the "landing" sufficient for
the FAA?
Harley
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dalamphere(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:41 pm Post subject: Low Cost ELT Antenna |
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Yes, the ELT has to meet requirements - I was talking about the
Transponder antenna - don't know why I didn't see "ELT" - Oh well... I
agree <$200 is a reason to go with a new ELT. Not to mention, the new
ones can used multiple "D" cell batteries - a big cost savings over
time.
Dave
On Jan 13, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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The ELT requirement applies to ALL aircraft that have to have one.
Experimental have to use an ELT meeting the TSO requirements, which
you are unlikely to be able to meet without actual testing. It is
not an area to go cheap. The first generation ELTs had rampant false
alarms and frequent failure to activate in crashes.
Given the under $200 price of a new, compliant ELT, trying to go
cheap with a non-compliant ELT is pennywise, pound foolish, as well
as being illegal.
You have a different situation with a transponder antenna, in that
there is test equipment, used in your certification and bi-annual
tests that shows your transponder system, including antenna meets
the TSO requirement.
On 1/13/2013 3:09 AM, David & Elaine Lamphere wrote:
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> >
>
> The Cygnet is an experimental homebuilt - I don't believe there is
> any restrictions as to what he installs.
>
> There used to be do-it-yourself plans in several places including
> the aeroelectric site if you wanted to do that. There are also (in
> my opinion) affordable stub antennas you can buy. You'll probably
> have to mount it on an aluminum panel or equivalent ground plane.
> On my Tailwind I mounted my xpdr antenna on a belly pan.
>
> Dave
>
> On Jan 12, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
>>
>> >
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>> Hate to tell you this, but it is illegal to install an original
>> type ELT in any aircraft as a new install. If it had a Narco about
>> 20 years ago, before they were made obsolete by regulation, you
>> could still replace with same model legally, but you can't use one
>> as a new install. The ELT10 is a first generation, designed in the
>> early 70's, and does not meet current requirements, so only old
>> installations are grandfathered. You are going to need a second
>> generation ELT, such as the Artex, ACK, or Ameriking. The cheapest
>> new are a little under 200. You also have to use the antenna it
>> comes with.
>> If your aircraft requires an ELT, it must be a TSO ELT of the
>> second generation or newer, and the TSO requires using the antenna
>> with which TSO was granted
>>
>> On 1/12/2013 8:48 PM, Jerald Folkerts wrote:
>>>
>>> I’m several weeks away from completing my Cygnet project. The
>>> aircraft has no electrical system, and I’ve installed an older
>>> Narco ELT 10 as it is theoretically a two seat aircraft. However,
>>> I don’t have an antenna or a plan for one. What would be the
>>> simplest and least expensive way to go? The Cygnet is steel tube
>>> and fabric with a wood/fabric covered wing.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jerry Folkerts
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> *
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>>
>>
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>> No virus found in this message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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>>
>>
>>
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