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Jaybannist(at)cs.com
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 Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:08 am Post subject: Help! (Riveting) |
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Help! Need Advice!
I am working on my XL fuselage. I have riveted the rear bottom skin to the angles & longerons. I have also riveted the firewall. Otherwise, I just have lots & lots of installed clecoes and I have seen nothing in the guidelines about riveting.
How far does one have to go on setting clecoes without riveting? I just can't feature having the whole fuselage assembled with clecoes, then taking it all apart to deburr and prime.
Is that what I must do, or are there some parts that can be riveted without interfering with later construction?
Anxious - Jay in Dallas
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nfivesl(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:35 am Post subject: Help! (Riveting) |
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Hi Jay:
I feel your pain brother! This has got to be the most
difficult place to get past. Just ask Gig Giacona.
He and I fretted over this for a while, then I just
started riveting parts together.
If you think it through and study your plans you can
get comfortable with how much you want to rivet and
how much you want to leave cleco'd. In my case it was
when I ran out of clecos. Just remember the worst
case is that you have to drive out and drill a few
rivets. I went a long way before having to do that,
but here near the end I've become a real pro at it!
Take a small punch and knock out the stem, then drill
off the head, then the hole. It takes seconds to do
the whole process. Remove the head from the drill bit
with a gloved hand.
Back to the riveting - plan it out and move forward
with some riveting. I had to crawl into the baggage
area and do some creative drilling later when I
installed my seat belts and my ELT, so plan ahead for
this.
I fretted this for two weeks, then went from this:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/9_19_04_FrontSkin.JPG
to this:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/9_19_04_Riveted.jpg
in one afternoon.
Don't let it slow you down - plan, then move forward.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
Building Canopy Frame
--- Jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:
| Quote: | Help! Need Advice!
I am working on my XL fuselage. I have riveted the
rear bottom skin to the
angles & longerons. I have also riveted the
firewall. Otherwise, I just have
lots & lots of installed clecoes and I have seen
nothing in the guidelines
about riveting.
How far does one have to go on setting clecoes
without riveting? I just
can't feature having the whole fuselage assembled
with clecoes, then taking it all
apart to deburr and prime.
Is that what I must do, or are there some parts that
can be riveted without
interfering with later construction?
Anxious - Jay in Dallas
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JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:49 am Post subject: Help! (Riveting) |
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Jay, I agree with Scott. And the point he's emphasizing is that you have to read way ahead, visualize all your following steps for installation of stuff and plan out how your going to get there. Always factoring whether will riveting something hinder that accessibility? We have all been there. I found a cold beer to be an excellent lubricant for visualizing and planing. Try it setting in the shade, looking at you obsession with the breathless expectation of soaring thru the blue, smile on you face and a song of joy and pleasure in your heart. Worked for me. Best to you, Bill of Georgia
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paulrod36(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:27 am Post subject: Help! (Riveting) |
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<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> Ah. welcome to the brotherhood of the confused. We all go through that. Just think ahead, plan to run your wirin for the strobe, taillight, trim, etc.even if you only run string through the holes and later pull wire and cable. Since I was scratch building my fuselage, I made my elevator and rudder cables in two parts, with turnbuckles in the rear fuselage, and a fairly large access hatch close to them in the bottom skin. You might also consider only riveting the left or right side of the top skins, and finishing the job when all cables and wires have been strung.
Paul Rodriguez
601XL/Corvair
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armyret(at)mchsi.com
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:33 am Post subject: Help! (Riveting) |
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Jay- The best answer I can give you is the longer you wait before actually riveting the better off you'll be. Tha doesn't mean that you can't debur and prime as you go, just put the clecos back until you need some, then just rivet from the rear forward. The bottom longrens can be riveted along with the rear fuselage (see 6B4) as soon as you have finished the cable outlet fairings and the 6B3-3 and 6B3-4 attachment brackets. Have fun- it's worth it.
Regards,
Al Young N601AY
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zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:59 pm Post subject: Help! (Riveting) |
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Hi Everyone, as you all know Jon Croke is once again airborne, for those
of you who are not familiar with Jon's story please click here
http://www.ch601.org/stories/croke_crash.htm
For those of you who know the story click here
www.ch701.com
Keep in mind that this is the same spot and departure that Jon first
noticed his original problem. I give the man credit for rebuilding a
project completely after the first incident and I must say he has
titanium balls for departing on the same route that claimed his first
bird !!!
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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archermj(at)swbell.net
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject: Help! (Riveting) |
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I waited to rivet most of the fuselage and spent a lot of time with the forward skins clecoed. I was glad I did. It really helped to be able to have access with the skins off to assemble the flight controls, fuel system and brakes. I used the laser level a lot and really was able to make sure everything was lined up. Just finished riveting most of it last week.
You can check my web site
Cheers
Matt
www.zodiacxl.com
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rjscep(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject: Help! (Riveting) |
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| Quote: | Paul, I'm afraid you just have to do that. See if
everything fits, take it apart, deburr and prime.
start riveting. Mkae sure everything is lined up
properly. The clecos should keep keep everything
in line as you rivet. Rivet every other one and
keep a cleco in the hole. Sometimes its best to
start in the middle and work your way out. Good luck
Do Not Archive....Bob Sceppa
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--- paulrod36(at)msn.com wrote:
[quote] Ah. welcome to the brotherhood of the confused. We
all go through that. Just think ahead, plan to run
your wirin for the strobe, taillight, trim, etc.even
if you only run string through the holes and later
pull wire and cable. Since I was scratch building
my fuselage, I made my elevator and rudder cables in
two parts, with turnbuckles in the rear fuselage,
and a fairly large access hatch close to them in the
bottom skin. You might also consider only riveting
the left or right side of the top skins, and
finishing the job when all cables and wires have
been strung.
Paul Rodriguez
601XL/Corvair
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