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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:01 am Post subject: Dynon Skyview software version 5.0?

Does anybody on the list have SkyView software version 5.0 (not 5.1) that they can email me?



Thanks.



Jesse Saint

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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:17 am Post subject: Dynon Skyview software version 5.0?

http://www.dynonavionics.com/downloads/Software/SkyView-5.0.0-dynon_update.dup



If you only want the firmward download, the original download link still 

works. This does not include any of the map data updates at all, but I 

don't think there were any map changes anyway with 5.1.



Jae



On 2/1/2013 10:00 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:

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 Does anybody on the list have SkyView software version 5.0 (not 5.1) that they can email me?



 Thanks.



 Jesse Saint

 Saint Aviation, Inc.

 jesse(at)saintaviation.com

 C: 352-427-0285

 F: 815-377-3694

Kellym

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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:57 am Post subject: Dynon Skyview software version 5.0?

Is there an issue with 5.1? I have 5.0, but haven't loaded it yet.

On 2/1/2013 11:17 AM, Jae Chang wrote:

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 http://www.dynonavionics.com/downloads/Software/SkyView-5.0.0-dynon_update.dup 

 If you only want the firmward download, the original download link 

 still works. This does not include any of the map data updates at all, 

 but I don't think there were any map changes anyway with 5.1.

 Jae

 On 2/1/2013 10:00 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:

> 

>

> Does anybody on the list have SkyView software version 5.0 (not 5.1) 

> that they can email me?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Jesse Saint

> Saint Aviation, Inc.

> jesse(at)saintaviation.com

> C: 352-427-0285

> F: 815-377-3694

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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:11 pm Post subject: Dynon Skyview software version 5.0?

I have a VP-200, the new EMS stream that allows Data logging for the Dynon 

apparently is incompatible with the Vertical Power.



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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:17 pm Post subject: Dynon Skyview software version 5.0?

Did your VP-200 just stop receiving EMS data from the Skyview after the upgrade to 5.1?  I was going to install 5.1 tomorrow, but it sounds like I might want to hold off?



Matt



At 01:11 PM 2/1/2013 Friday, you wrote:

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I have a VP-200, the new EMS stream that allows Data logging for the Dynon apparently is incompatible with the Vertical Power.

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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:40 pm Post subject: Dynon Skyview software version 5.0?

My apologies, In my rush to respond, I used the wrong word. I should have

said "May be" versus "apparently is". As far as I know,  no one has tested 

it

to confirm one way or the other. My theory is Dynon mentioned there was an

upgrade to the EMS information so I threw that out as a "potential issue".



If I was able I would install the upgrade this weekend and confirm. Worst

case I would just reinstall the 5.0.0 firmware.



Pascal



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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:40 pm Post subject: Dynon Skyview software version 5.0?

My apologies, In my rush to respond, I used the wrong word. I should have 

said "May be" versus "apparently is". As far as I knw,  no one has tested it 

to confirm one way or the other. My theory is Dynon mentioned there was an 

upgrade to the EMS information so I threw that out as a "potential issue".



If I was able I would install the upgrade this weekend and confirm. Worst 

case I would just reinstall the 5.0.0 firmware.



Pascal



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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:47 pm Post subject: Dynon Skyview software version 5.0?

At 04:40 PM 2/1/2013 Friday, you wrote:

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My apologies, In my rush to respond, I used the wrong word. I should have

said "May be" versus "apparently is". As far as I know,  no one has tested it

to confirm one way or the other. My theory is Dynon mentioned there was an

upgrade to the EMS information so I threw that out as a "potential issue".



If I was able I would install the upgrade this weekend and confirm. Worst

case I would just reinstall the 5.0.0 firmware.



Pascal


	




Below is my dialog with Dynon over the issue.  I also emailed Vertical Power about it.  Seems like a roll back to 5.0 if 5.1 didn't prove viable would be worth the trouble at this point.



Matt Dralle



[quote]Matt:



Another customer told us today that Vertical Power recommended not updating to v5.1 because of changes Dynon made to the streaming data format.



We advise talking to Vertical Power first.

Thanks,



Steve



Dynon Avionics Technical Support

support(at)dynonavionics.com

Phone: 425-402-0433 - 07:00-17:00 Pacific weekdays

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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: Dynon Skyview software version 5.0?

I got the email below from Vertical Power today regarding the VP-200 compatibility with the new 5.1 Skyview EMS data.



You know, I want to say that this is now the SECOND time Dynon has changed the format of the EMS data and caused issues with the VP-200.   Dynon needs to rev their data streams and not obsolete the previous versions.  Each new major change to the data stream format should be a new version that is selectable from the serial menu.  e.g. EMS 1.0, EMS 2.0, EMS 3.0.  Expecting every vendor in the world to update their equipment to retain compatibility is simply not acceptable, IMHO. 



Backward protocol compatibility must be a prime concern when adding features. 



Matt Dralle

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Do not upgrade to 5.1 until we have a fix for the changes to the data stream.



We expect to have that release in Q2 some time.



Thanks,



Marc Ausman

Vertical Power, Inc.

(505) 715-6172

marc(at)VerticalPower.com

http://www.verticalpower.com

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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:09 pm Post subject: Dynon Skyview software version 5.0?

Especially since only Dynon charges its customers for software support 

of Vertical Power, unlike the other EFIS vendors.



On 2/1/2013 6:58 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:

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 I got the email below from Vertical Power today regarding the VP-200 compatibility with the new 5.1 Skyview EMS data.



 You know, I want to say that this is now the SECOND time Dynon has changed the format of the EMS data and caused issues with the VP-200.   Dynon needs to rev their data streams and not obsolete the previous versions.  Each new major change to the data stream format should be a new version that is selectable from the serial menu.  e.g. EMS 1.0, EMS 2.0, EMS 3.0.  Expecting every vendor in the world to update their equipment to retain compatibility is simply not acceptable, IMHO.



 Backward protocol compatibility must be a prime concern when adding features.



 Matt Dralle

 RV-8/RV-6/RV-4






	




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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: Dynon Skyview software version 5.0?

Fear not.  Dynon Skyview 5.1 AHRS/EMS data output *IS* fully compatible with the latest version of the VP-200.  Confirmed this morning.



Note that the SKyview WILL NOT let you DOWNGRADE the software from 5.1 to 5.0!  That's seems lame.



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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:35 pm Post subject: Dynon Skyview software version 5.0?

Thank you Matt!

Appreciate the effort to put this to rest!

Pascal



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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Dynon Skyview software version 5.0?

Well, I spoke too soon.  Turns out, that the VP-200 sync's up on the data stream, but mis-interprets most if not all of the data objects.  When I first got things up on the new version, the big red X's on the VP-200 EMS data went away and I was elated.  It wasn't until later in the day when I started the engine that I noticed that the RPM wasn't working.  Then I looked closer and noticed that the EGT/CHT wasn't right, and some of the others.



So, that's an Epic Fail.  I am really flabbergasted that Dynon would break their AHRS/EMS protocol like that.  The whole point of a "protocol" is that it represents some semblance of stability.  I'd get fired for making a protocol change to our product at work that wasn't backwardly compatible.



Anyway, so I did try to roll back to 5.0.0.xxxx but the Skyview wouldn't let me.  Is there some way to force it to go back to an older version on the Skyview?



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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:04 pm Post subject: Dynon Skyview software version 5.0?

Seems there would be a way to force the old data.  I know the G3X is to hold 

down the toggle button while turning on the unit with the old software in 

the data card slot.  I think there should be if they screw up on a software 

upgrade.

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Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:25 pm Post subject: Dynon Skyview software version 5.0?

Matt;

Here is the response from Dynon support. Give them a call.



   We updated the serial stream because we had some important customers that 

asked for specific elements to be added to the stream. We knew this was a 

possibility since day one, and even put a version number in the serial 

stream so an application can tell that the stream has been changed. We would 

always prefer to not change the format, but at some point you need to 

balance the needs of a variety of customers, and we had a clear business 

case to support customers asking for new features in the serial stream.



One of the issues here is that the VP-200 is not a product we "support." 

While we have official support for the VP-X,

Vertical Power used our serial stream for the VP-200 on their own accord 

without any input from us. This is fine and in fact the whole reason that we 

created a documented serial stream, but this means we didn't even really 

know they were using it so it's hard for us to realize that we were going to 

break anything.  Compatibility is something that we test every release for 

products we support, but isn't something that we can promise for arbitrary 

3rd party devices that few of our customers use.



We only moved a few parameters around in the new serial stream, so it's 

unfortunate that it will take them months to fix this as it's likely just a 

few constants in their code to make it work again.



It is possible to revert to 5.0 without much hassle. Contact support via 

email or phone and we can send you instructions.



Pascal



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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:16 am Post subject: Dynon Skyview software version 5.0?

I don't know if this has already been addressed, but this is an issue with the VP-200, not the VP-X. It is frustrating, especially since Dynon doesn't have a way to roll back to earlier software. If anybody gets brave enough to try 5.1 with a VP-200, let us know if it works.

Thanks.

Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

C: 352-427-0285

F: 815-377-3694

On Feb 1, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> wrote:

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 Especially since only Dynon charges its customers for software support of Vertical Power, unlike the other EFIS vendors.

 On 2/1/2013 6:58 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:

> 

> 

> I got the email below from Vertical Power today regarding the VP-200 compatibility with the new 5.1 Skyview EMS data.

> 

> You know, I want to say that this is now the SECOND time Dynon has changed the format of the EMS data and caused issues with the VP-200.   Dynon needs to rev their data streams and not obsolete the previous versions.  Each new major change to the data stream format should be a new version that is selectable from the serial menu.  e.g. EMS 1.0, EMS 2.0, EMS 3.0.  Expecting every vendor in the world to update their equipment to retain compatibility is simply not acceptable, IMHO.

> 

> Backward protocol compatibility must be a prime concern when adding features.

> 

> Matt Dralle

> RV-8/RV-6/RV-4

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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:43 am Post subject: Dynon Skyview software version 5.0?

Disregard that last email. I just finished reading the threads.



do not archive



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

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C: 352-427-0285

F: 815-377-3694



On Feb 5, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> wrote:



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 I don't know if this has already been addressed, but this is an issue with the VP-200, not the VP-X. It is frustrating, especially since Dynon doesn't have a way to roll back to earlier software. If anybody gets brave enough to try 5.1 with a VP-200, let us know if it works.

 

 Thanks.

 

 Jesse Saint

 Saint Aviation, Inc.

 jesse(at)saintaviation.com

 C: 352-427-0285

 F: 815-377-3694

 

 On Feb 1, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> wrote:

 

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> Especially since only Dynon charges its customers for software support of Vertical Power, unlike the other EFIS vendors.

> 

> On 2/1/2013 6:58 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:

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>> I got the email below from Vertical Power today regarding the VP-200 compatibility with the new 5.1 Skyview EMS data.

>> 

>> You know, I want to say that this is now the SECOND time Dynon has changed the format of the EMS data and caused issues with the VP-200.   Dynon needs to rev their data streams and not obsolete the previous versions.  Each new major change to the data stream format should be a new version that is selectable from the serial menu.  e.g. EMS 1.0, EMS 2.0, EMS 3.0.  Expecting every vendor in the world to update their equipment to retain compatibility is simply not acceptable, IMHO.

>> 

>> Backward protocol compatibility must be a prime concern when adding features.

>> 

>> Matt Dralle

>> RV-8/RV-6/RV-4

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