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Matt Dralle
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 Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:19 pm Post subject: Skyview 5.1 to 5.0 Downgrade Successful... |
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Dear Listers,
Good news. I was able to roll back to Skyview 5.0.0 using a special roll-back file supplied Mike Schofield at Dynon and carefully followed a procedure he outlined to accomplish the task at hand. I am again getting an EMS data feed from the Skyview to the VP-200. I haven't flown or started the engine yet, but I flipped on the Boost pump and saw fuel pressure so that's a good sign.
Hopefully Vertical Power will have an update for the VP-200 soon...
I had a long phone conversation with Mike Schofield, Marketing Manager at Dynon about the trials and tribulations of late. He was sympathetic to the plight of those of us utilizing their EMS protocol, but didn't seem like they were planning on really doing anything procedurally any different in the future with respect to not compromising the data integrity of the data format for devices such as the VP-200 in the field. I indicated that as a developer of products that might potentially use those protocols, I would be uncomfortable choosing to use those data feeds because of the lack of commitment to their stability and continuity by Dynon. I guess I got my point across. He went on to say that they hadn't intended for the protocol to be used by autonomous devices like the VP-200, but rather foresaw it simply being used as raw data that would be captured and used for post-analysis like with a spreadsheet. I countered that even in those applications, some consistency of format is expected and consumers of the data might very will write scripts and/or code to interpret the data and would be put off by constant format changes.
Anyway, Dynon is a small company and they've got a lot on their plate and a lot of customers asking for a lot of different things. I think they get it, but it sometimes takes events like this to show them exactly why these things are important.
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Matt Dralle
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Matt Dralle
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Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 26320
Location: Livermore CA USA
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:19 pm Post subject: Skyview 5.1 to 5.0 Downgrade Successful... |
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Dear Listers,
Good news. I was able to roll back to Skyview 5.0.0 using a special roll-back file supplied Mike Schofield at Dynon and carefully followed a procedure he outlined to accomplish the task at hand. I am again getting an EMS data feed from the Skyview to the VP-200. I haven't flown or started the engine yet, but I flipped on the Boost pump and saw fuel pressure so that's a good sign.
Hopefully Vertical Power will have an update for the VP-200 soon...
I had a long phone conversation with Mike Schofield, Marketing Manager at Dynon about the trials and tribulations of late. He was sympathetic to the plight of those of us utilizing their EMS protocol, but didn't seem like they were planning on really doing anything procedurally any different in the future with respect to not compromising the data integrity of the data format for devices such as the VP-200 in the field. I indicated that as a developer of products that might potentially use those protocols, I would be uncomfortable choosing to use those data feeds because of the lack of commitment to their stability and continuity by Dynon. I guess I got my point across. He went on to say that they hadn't intended for the protocol to be used by autonomous devices like the VP-200, but rather foresaw it simply being used as raw data that would be captured and used for post-analysis like with a spreadsheet. I countered that even in those applications, some consistency of format is expected and consumers of the data might very will write scripts and/or code to interpret the data and would be put off by constant format changes.
Anyway, Dynon is a small company and they've got a lot on their plate and a lot of customers asking for a lot of different things. I think they get it, but it sometimes takes events like this to show them exactly why these things are important.
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 140+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
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Matt Dralle
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Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 26320
Location: Livermore CA USA
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:19 pm Post subject: Skyview 5.1 to 5.0 Downgrade Successful... |
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Dear Listers,
Good news. I was able to roll back to Skyview 5.0.0 using a special roll-back file supplied Mike Schofield at Dynon and carefully followed a procedure he outlined to accomplish the task at hand. I am again getting an EMS data feed from the Skyview to the VP-200. I haven't flown or started the engine yet, but I flipped on the Boost pump and saw fuel pressure so that's a good sign.
Hopefully Vertical Power will have an update for the VP-200 soon...
I had a long phone conversation with Mike Schofield, Marketing Manager at Dynon about the trials and tribulations of late. He was sympathetic to the plight of those of us utilizing their EMS protocol, but didn't seem like they were planning on really doing anything procedurally any different in the future with respect to not compromising the data integrity of the data format for devices such as the VP-200 in the field. I indicated that as a developer of products that might potentially use those protocols, I would be uncomfortable choosing to use those data feeds because of the lack of commitment to their stability and continuity by Dynon. I guess I got my point across. He went on to say that they hadn't intended for the protocol to be used by autonomous devices like the VP-200, but rather foresaw it simply being used as raw data that would be captured and used for post-analysis like with a spreadsheet. I countered that even in those applications, some consistency of format is expected and consumers of the data might very will write scripts and/or code to interpret the data and would be put off by constant format changes.
Anyway, Dynon is a small company and they've got a lot on their plate and a lot of customers asking for a lot of different things. I think they get it, but it sometimes takes events like this to show them exactly why these things are important.
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 140+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:50 am Post subject: Skyview 5.1 to 5.0 Downgrade Successful... |
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Thank you Matt for the update. Dynon needs to hear that having compatibility
with other hardware is critical. Unless they are looking for an autonomous
system, they need to carefully consider changing a stream that is working.
There are a few that pushed Mike and Robert for VP-200 compatibility a few
years ago, in my case for well over 1 year. Dynon is very aware of this
compatibility, yet said that Vertical Power needs to "fix" this, with a
discontinued component, its low priority for VP.
Making haphazard changes be someone else's issue is simply something that
they MUST change. If it never worked, fine, however, not good when it was
working and Dynon broke it and moved on with "we don’t support..."
Dynon is a good company, you are right they are trying to take on all sorts
of upgrades to their Skyview but they need to understand that their forums
have customers asking for 3rd party compatibility, if they don’t get a
protocol that works and leave it, it will happen to someone else next time.
With the change of command at Dynon, I hope that Mike will take your call
seriously and consider the implications in the future.
thx
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