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robert.hitchcock(at)virgi
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:04 am Post subject: Certificate of English Language proficiency

Hi 

Have just received my certificate of proficiency in the English language level 6. !



Just a reminder to everyone in the UK who is currently converting their licence to the the new pan European licence. Our now expired proficiency in English  was granted some years ago at the beginning of the new language assessment scheme as an automatic "gift" to all native Englishmen.  Under the new euro rules we have to demonstrate our ability to speak English. Do not ignore this need. It an absolute requirement to have a valid certificate when applying for the new EASA licence. You can obtain a certificate following a successful Flight test (remember to ask) or RT test, or accredited Language school or CAA approved circumstance.



Will send off the paperwork tonight. All being well should then get a shiny new Euro licence. That ought to let me fly EASA and non - EASA annex ii aircraft like the Europa. 



Of course we can fly the Europa on the new LAPL as well, but for the me the EASA has more privileges and costs much less. But the rate varies significantly dependant on each individual case. There are pro and cons to EASA and LAPL licence variants



Anyone else applied for the new licence yet? Any other known hassles?



Regards



Bob

pete(at)lawless.info
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:14 pm Post subject: Certificate of English Language proficiency

Only in the EU could a proficiency certificate in the English language

expire!  What do they think has happened - maybe you forgot how to talk

English.



What an absolute nonsense it all is.



Pete



DO NO ARCHIVE



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alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:51 pm Post subject: Certificate of English Language proficiency

I've emailed the CAA for a copy of my records as the last flight examiner couldn't tell me what he had provided to the CAA. My CAA licence just says English!



I'm still waiting for a response - two weeks so far.



Alan

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On 14 Feb 2013, at 19:03, Bob Hitchcock <robert.hitchcock(at)virgin.net> wrote:



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 Hi 

 

 

 Have just received my certificate of proficiency in the English language level 6. !

 

 Just a reminder to everyone in the UK who is currently converting their licence to the the new pan European licence. Our now expired proficiency in English  was granted some years ago at the beginning of the new language assessment scheme as an automatic "gift" to all native Englishmen.  Under the new euro rules we have to demonstrate our ability to speak English. Do not ignore this need. It an absolute requirement to have a valid certificate when applying for the new EASA licence. You can obtain a certificate following a successful Flight test (remember to ask) or RT test, or accredited Language school or CAA approved circumstance.

 

 Will send off the paperwork tonight. All being well should then get a shiny new Euro licence. That ought to let me fly EASA and non - EASA annex ii aircraft like the Europa. 

 

 Of course we can fly the Europa on the new LAPL as well, but for the me the EASA has more privileges and costs much less. But the rate varies significantly dependant on each individual case. There are pro and cons to EASA and LAPL licence variants

 

 Anyone else applied for the new licence yet? Any other known hassles?

 

 Regards

 

 Bob

robert.hitchcock(at)virgi
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:40 pm Post subject: Certificate of English Language proficiency

Hi All

I know it seems like bureaucracy gone mad, but on the paper chase of documents you do need it.

The following may help 

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/srg_lts_Std%20Doc%2051V1_21122012.pdf

Regards

Bob  



On 14 Feb 2013, at 20:51, Alan Burrill <alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk (alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk)> wrote:

[quote]--> Europa-List message posted by: Alan Burrill <alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk (alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk)>



I've emailed the CAA for a copy of my records as the last flight examiner couldn't tell me what he had provided to the CAA. My CAA licence just says English!



I'm still waiting for a response - two weeks so far.



Alan

#0303



Sent from my iPad

 The CAA

On 14 Feb 2013, at 19:03, Bob Hitchcock <robert.hitchcock(at)virgin.net (robert.hitchcock(at)virgin.net)> wrote:



[quote]--> Europa-List message posted by: Bob Hitchcock <robert.hitchcock(at)virgin.net (robert.hitchcock(at)virgin.net)>



Hi 

Have just received my certificate of proficiency in the English language level 6. !



Just a reminder to everyone in the UK who is currently converting their licence to the the new pan European licence. Our now expired proficiency in English  was granted some years ago at the beginning of the new language assessment scheme as an automatic "gift" to all native Englishmen.  Under the new euro rules we have to demonstrate our ability to speak English. Do not ignore this need. It an absolute requirement to have a valid certificate when applying for the new EASA licence. You can obtain a certificate following a successful Flight test (remember to ask) or RT test, or accredited Language school or CAA approved circumstance.



Will send off the paperwork tonight. All being well should then get a shiny new Euro licence. That ought to let me fly EASA and non - EASA annex ii aircraft like the Europa. 



Of course we can fly the Europa on the new LAPL as well, but for the me the EASA has more privileges and costs much less. But the rate varies significantly dependant on each individual case. There are pro and cons to EASA and LAPL licence variants



Anyone else applied for the new licence yet? Any other known hassles?



Regards



Bob



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Fred Klein

Joined: 26 Mar 2012
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:38 pm Post subject: Certificate of English Language proficiency

...almost on topic...



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		  a Romanian news site launched a campaign designed to attract British  tourists, featuring such slogans as “We speak better English than  anywhere you’ve been in France.” 	




	http://www.rferl.org/content/romanian-bulgaria-ads-migration-britain/24888013.html

do not archive



On Feb 14, 2013, at 1:39 PM, Bob Hitchcock wrote:

[quote]Hi All

I know it seems like bureaucracy gone mad, but on the paper chase of documents you do need it.

The following may help 

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/srg_lts_Std%20Doc%2051V1_21122012.pdf

Regards

Bob  



On 14 Feb 2013, at 20:51, Alan Burrill <alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk (alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk)> wrote:

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		  --> Europa-List message posted by: Alan Burrill <alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk (alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk)>



I've emailed the CAA for a copy of my records as the last flight examiner couldn't tell me what he had provided to the CAA. My CAA licence just says English!



I'm still waiting for a response - two weeks so far.



Alan

#0303



Sent from my iPad

 The CAA

On 14 Feb 2013, at 19:03, Bob Hitchcock <robert.hitchcock(at)virgin.net (robert.hitchcock(at)virgin.net)> wrote:



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Hi 

Have just received my certificate of proficiency in the English language level 6. !



Just a reminder to everyone in the UK who is currently converting their licence to the the new pan European licence. Our now expired proficiency in English  was granted some years ago at the beginning of the new language assessment scheme as an automatic "gift" to all native Englishmen.  Under the new euro rules we have to demonstrate our ability to speak English. Do not ignore this need. It an absolute requirement to have a valid certificate when applying for the new EASA licence. You can obtain a certificate following a successful Flight test (remember to ask) or RT test, or accredited Language school or CAA approved circumstance.



Will send off the paperwork tonight. All being well should then get a shiny new Euro licence. That ought to let me fly EASA and non - EASA annex ii aircraft like the Europa. 



Of course we can fly the Europa on the new LAPL as well, but for the me the EASA has more privileges and costs much less. But the rate varies significantly dependant on each individual case. There are pro and cons to EASA and LAPL licence variants



Anyone else applied for the new licence yet? Any other known hassles?



Regards



Bob



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Roland

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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: Certificate of English Language proficiency

Hi Pete,



as far as I know it doesn't expire, provided that you reach level 6. This shouldn't be a problem for you English folks (envy)    



Regards

Roland



 	  pete(at)lawless.info wrote: 	
		  Only in the EU could a proficiency certificate in the English language

expire!  What do they think has happened - maybe you forgot how to talk

English.



What an absolute nonsense it all is.



Pete



DO NO ARCHIVE



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frans(at)privatepilots.nl
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:39 am Post subject: Certificate of English Language proficiency

On 02/15/2013 07:23 AM, Roland wrote:



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		   as far as I know it doesn't expire, provided that you reach level 6.


	


That's right. I succeeded in reaching level 6 some years ago (as

examined by a Dutch examiner  ) and I never have to apply for it

again. This is only true for level 6.



Frans

pjeffers(at)talktalk.net
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:52 am Post subject: Certificate of English Language proficiency

AS far as I can gather Level 6 was only invented in 2008 so if you have an

English language qualification dated prior to this you will almost certainly

need to have your records updated.  



Pete Jeffers



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Roland

Joined: 30 Nov 2009
Posts: 334
Location: EDLE

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:58 am Post subject: Re: Certificate of English Language proficiency

Can you please introduce me to that dutch examiner?



If the plans of Prime Minister Cameron turn into reality, the Englishmen don't have to take care about EU-regulation any longer

Alan Carter

Joined: 02 Jul 2012
Posts: 378
Location: Kent, England.

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: Certificate of English Language proficiency

Hi All

The government seem to print the benefits form in every language under the sun. I'm not to sure what English is any more. Why does this spell check keep coming up with airplane its aeroplane even that can,t spell English.

I'm sticking with my Nppl  so i  can speak National English.

Crazy Crazy f Country.

Alan

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robert.hitchcock(at)virgi
Guest

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:38 pm Post subject: Certificate of English Language proficiency

Hi Alan



Sadly you cannot do that. The new LAPL licence is similar to the EASA licence in this respect



Unfortunately unless you qualified recently I.e. in the seven years you will only have basic English endorsed on your licence. So would still recommend that you have ask for the certificate the next time you have some form of check with an instructor or take advantage of one of the other routes I mentioned earlier



In respect of the of the NPPL. Though there is an extra years grace on the validation of the licence itself the CAA application form refers to both NPPL and EASA. 



Have some sympathy for the CAA. We are now a multicultural society in the UK. Many natural born Englishmen do not necessarily have English as their first language.



So get the certificate level 6 ( Expert) and you need not be bothered about it again. Trust this helps



Regards



Bob





On 16 Feb 2013, at 23:20, "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net> wrote:



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 Hi All

 The government seem to print the benefits form in every language under the sun. I'm not to sure what English is any more. Nobody speaks it round here.

 Look how bling i am, thats a real raggy piece of kit in that bling airplane.

 Why does this spell check keep coming up with airplane its aeroplane even that can,t spell English.

 I'm sticking with my Nppl  so i  can speak National English.

 Crazy Crazy f Country.

 Alan

 

 

 

 

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europajimkelly(at)gmail.c
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:46 am Post subject: Certificate of English Language proficiency

All true, we must do as the French, if you live here speak the lanuage.  There's only one exception to French in France and that's Breton (all most Welsh).Jim

On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Bob Hitchcock <robert.hitchcock(at)virgin.net (robert.hitchcock(at)virgin.net)> wrote:

 [quote]--> Europa-List message posted by: Bob Hitchcock <robert.hitchcock(at)virgin.net (robert.hitchcock(at)virgin.net)>

 Hi Alan

 Sadly you cannot do that. The new LAPL licence is similar to the EASA licence in this respect

 Unfortunately unless you qualified recently I.e. in the seven years you will only have basic English endorsed on your licence. So would still recommend that you have ask for the certificate the next time you have some form of check with an instructor or take advantage of one of the other routes I mentioned earlier

 In respect of the of the NPPL. Though there is an extra years grace on the validation of the licence itself the CAA application form refers to both NPPL and EASA.

 Have some sympathy for the CAA. We are now a multicultural society in the UK. Many natural born Englishmen do not necessarily have English as their first language.

 So get the certificate level 6 ( Expert) and you need not be bothered about it again. Trust this helps

 Regards

 Bob

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 > Why does this spell check keep coming up with airplane its aeroplane even that can,t spell English.

 > I'm sticking with my Nppl  so i  can speak National English.

 > Crazy Crazy f Country.

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Alan Carter

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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:19 am Post subject: Re: Certificate of English Language proficiency

Hi

I am 66 and many years ago passed the RT license in English and have used it speaking on the RT for 25000 hours s, so now i need a piece of paper stating i can speak English. And you are saying i need this piece of paper to maintain my Nppl is this correct. 

My lady friend is 63 , her name is not Smith its Windmill and ancestry goes way back in this  country , yet we where called in for an interview before it was issued, the office was full of interpreters, thought i might need one, 

My Old PPL was validated for life, so the goal posts are altered at will, its wrong and should be honored for life, .

My Flying Club at Lydd, say i don,t need it for a nppl which only allows me to fly in the UK., are they wrong ??

Does it cost any money, , What happens if you have an O or A level in English, are they exemptions, Grandfather's rights.

Alan,

dg.watts(at)talktalk.net
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:48 am Post subject: Certificate of English Language proficiency

Alan,



If you are staying with the UK issued CAA NPPL or even a PPL (which you are

perfectly entitled to do with the restrictions that entails) you can

continue without a Language Proficiency endorsement.

You only need the Language Proficiency endorsement if you plan on changing

to an EASA license, be it PPL or LAPL.



Dave Watts  G-BXDY



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Alan Carter

Joined: 02 Jul 2012
Posts: 378
Location: Kent, England.

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Certificate of English Language proficiency

Hi Dave.

Many thanks, I was talking to an Examiner today ,and he said he will sign my bit of paper, but its a crazy situation when you have spoken English from birth.

And yes i sticking to my Nppl  IOW is the only bit of water i want to cross.

Regards 

Alan

David , you know about Europa,s which wing do i pull out first for de rigging.

robert.hitchcock(at)virgi
Guest

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:02 pm Post subject: Certificate of English Language proficiency

Hi Alan, Hi Dave



Agree, if you only want to fly annex ii and never want to fly out of the UK NPPL is for you



Regards



Bob



On 17 Feb 2013, at 10:48, "David Watts" <dg.watts(at)talktalk.net> wrote:



[quote] 

 

 Alan,

 

 If you are staying with the UK issued CAA NPPL or even a PPL (which you are

 perfectly entitled to do with the restrictions that entails) you can

 continue without a Language Proficiency endorsement.

 You only need the Language Proficiency endorsement if you plan on changing

 to an EASA license, be it PPL or LAPL.

 

 Dave Watts  G-BXDY

 

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europajimkelly(at)gmail.c
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:30 pm Post subject: Certificate of English Language proficiency

Alan, The IOW !!!  Ever been to the Scillies ?  It's the best kept secret in Europe, have a gander on Google Earth.Jim



On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Alan Carter <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net (alancarteresq(at)onetel.net)> wrote:

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 Hi Dave.

 Many thanks, I was talking to an Examiner today ,and he said he will sign my bit of paper, but its a crazy situation when you have spoken English from birth.

 And yes i sticking to my Nppl  IOW is the only bit of water i want to cross.

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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:27 pm Post subject: Certificate of English Language proficiency

Jim

agree with that, bit like landing on an aircraft carrier though aproaching from the west. 

No problem for a Europa monowheel but I'd think twice in my Long EZ! I'm not as sharp as I used to be.

Graham

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Alan Carter

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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: Certificate of English Language proficiency

Hi Jim.

Yes i have flown to the scillies  in a C150, spent a week under my wing in a tent always woke up outside at the bottom of it, its a bit hilly there,  think it was called St Mary,s.

Harold Wilson was sitting in his garden, You are right it is a loverly place to visit, but its 30 miles across the water, IOW about my mark, but maybe i will one day, Always better to fly as a pair over water, so if there another pilot wants to do it this summer let me know.

I have done all those things had my 9 life's and quit a few more, and i want to get as long a pension as possible out of the government .

Alan

europajimkelly(at)gmail.c
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:37 am Post subject: Certificate of English Language proficiency

You sound like a top bloke Alan.Fair Winds

Jim



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 Hi Jim.

 Yes i have flown to the scillies  in a C150, spent a week under my wing in a tent always woke up outside at the bottom of it, its a bit hilly there,  think it was called St Mary,s.

 Harold Wilson was sitting in his garden, You are right it is a loverly place to visit, but its 30 miles across the water, IOW about my mark, but maybe i will one day, Always better to fly as a pair over water, so if there another pilot wants to do it this summer let me know.

  I have done all those things had my 9 life's and quit a few more, and i want to get as long a pension as possible out of the government .

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