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First pic: I found this pick in the wing. I was thinking that maybe this wing hadn't been resealed before.
Second pic: I'm getting down to the short strokes now.
I've got about 25 hours in this wing. At this point, I wish I had not started on the top half of the rib. Got burned once on a wing by not doing both sides so . . . . .
Did the Polysulfide stripper work? Well, yes and no. It's difficult to control. It strips, but, not all that well. The Polysulfide in this tank is almost black. It doesn't look like anything I've ever used. It is a bit brittle compared to PS890. It also sticks like crazy. It's nearly impossible to get under it and scrape up a piece. THe other stuff I can grab onto with suture clamps and drag out a chunk. This stuff breaks off.
Gary
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| Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:16 pm Post subject: Wing tank reseal |
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I hate to ask this but how often do you need to “reseal” tanks? I have had my 1977 Cheetah since 1981. Over 5000 hrs. No leaks.
John
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary L Vogt
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Subject: Wing tank reseal
First pic: I found this pick in the wing. I was thinking that maybe this wing hadn't been resealed before.
Second pic: I'm getting down to the short strokes now.
I've got about 25 hours in this wing. At this point, I wish I had not started on the top half of the rib. Got burned once on a wing by not doing both sides so . . . . .
Did the Polysulfide stripper work? Well, yes and no. It's difficult to control. It strips, but, not all that well. The Polysulfide in this tank is almost black. It doesn't look like anything I've ever used. It is a bit brittle compared to PS890. It also sticks like crazy. It's nearly impossible to get under it and scrape up a piece. THe other stuff I can grab onto with suture clamps and drag out a chunk. This stuff breaks off.
Gary
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| Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:04 pm Post subject: Wing tank reseal |
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It depends on how much turbulence you fly through 
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On Mar 18, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Hosler, John wrote:
| Quote: | I hate to ask this but how often do you need to “reseal” tanks? I have had my 1977 Cheetah since 1981. Over 5000 hrs. No leaks.
John
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary L Vogt
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:07 PM
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Subject: Wing tank reseal
First pic: I found this pick in the wing. I was thinking that maybe this wing hadn't been resealed before.
Second pic: I'm getting down to the short strokes now.
I've got about 25 hours in this wing. At this point, I wish I had not started on the top half of the rib. Got burned once on a wing by not doing both sides so . . . . .
Did the Polysulfide stripper work? Well, yes and no. It's difficult to control. It strips, but, not all that well. The Polysulfide in this tank is almost black. It doesn't look like anything I've ever used. It is a bit brittle compared to PS890. It also sticks like crazy. It's nearly impossible to get under it and scrape up a piece. THe other stuff I can grab onto with suture clamps and drag out a chunk. This stuff breaks off.
Gary
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| Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:45 pm Post subject: Wing tank reseal |
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Then I am in big trouble.
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mel Beckman
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 4:34 PM
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Subject: Re: Wing tank reseal
It depends on how much turbulence you fly through
-mel
On Mar 18, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Hosler, John wrote:
I hate to ask this but how often do you need to “reseal” tanks? I have had my 1977 Cheetah since 1981. Over 5000 hrs. No leaks.
John
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Gary L Vogt
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:07 PM
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Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Wing tank reseal
First pic: I found this pick in the wing. I was thinking that maybe this wing hadn't been resealed before.
Second pic: I'm getting down to the short strokes now.
I've got about 25 hours in this wing. At this point, I wish I had not started on the top half of the rib. Got burned once on a wing by not doing both sides so . . . . .
Did the Polysulfide stripper work? Well, yes and no. It's difficult to control. It strips, but, not all that well. The Polysulfide in this tank is almost black. It doesn't look like anything I've ever used. It is a bit brittle compared to PS890. It also sticks like crazy. It's nearly impossible to get under it and scrape up a piece. THe other stuff I can grab onto with suture clamps and drag out a chunk. This stuff breaks off.
Gary
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| Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:17 pm Post subject: Wing tank reseal |
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Sounds like a bitch Gary.
From: "Gary L Vogt" <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com>
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Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 11:07:04 AM
Subject: Wing tank reseal
First pic: I found this pick in the wing. I was thinking that maybe this wing hadn't been resealed before.
Second pic: I'm getting down to the short strokes now.
I've got about 25 hours in this wing. At this point, I wish I had not started on the top half of the rib. Got burned once on a wing by not doing both sides so . . . . .
Did the Polysulfide stripper work? Well, yes and no. It's difficult to control. It strips, but, not all that well. The Polysulfide in this tank is almost black. It doesn't look like anything I've ever used. It is a bit brittle compared to PS890. It also sticks like crazy. It's nearly impossible to get under it and scrape up a piece. THe other stuff I can grab onto with suture clamps and drag out a chunk. This stuff breaks off.
Gary
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| Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:22 pm Post subject: Wing tank reseal |
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Only needs to resealed when it leaks. Not that common.
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On Mar 18, 2013, at 1:14 PM, "Hosler, John" <JHOSLER(at)epri.com (JHOSLER(at)epri.com)> wrote:
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I hate to ask this but how often do you need to “reseal” tanks? I have had my 1977 Cheetah since 1981. Over 5000 hrs. No leaks.
John
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary L Vogt
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:07 PM
To: Teamgrumman List
Subject: Wing tank reseal
First pic: I found this pick in the wing. I was thinking that maybe this wing hadn't been resealed before.
Second pic: I'm getting down to the short strokes now.
I've got about 25 hours in this wing. At this point, I wish I had not started on the top half of the rib. Got burned once on a wing by not doing both sides so . . . . .
Did the Polysulfide stripper work? Well, yes and no. It's difficult to control. It strips, but, not all that well. The Polysulfide in this tank is almost black. It doesn't look like anything I've ever used. It is a bit brittle compared to PS890. It also sticks like crazy. It's nearly impossible to get under it and scrape up a piece. THe other stuff I can grab onto with suture clamps and drag out a chunk. This stuff breaks off.
Gary
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| Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:31 pm Post subject: Wing tank reseal |
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"It depends on how much turbulence you fly through "
I put this under old wives tales. If it leaks, odds are there was a bubble in the sealant when it was sealed. Or a small spot was missed. I've got a 74 Traveler That's never had the wings opened. Another customer has a much misused and abused Cheetah with no wing leak history. One plane has been crashed twice, nothing serious, wings bonded and still no leaks.
On the other hand, I had a 2004 Tiger with a leak from the factory. Several serial numbers later another 2004 is dry.
It's the luck of the draw.
Gar y
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On Mar 18, 2013, at 2:44 PM, "Hosler, John" <JHOSLER(at)epri.com (JHOSLER(at)epri.com)> wrote:
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Then I am in big trouble.
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mel Beckman
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 4:34 PM
To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com (teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Wing tank reseal
It depends on how much turbulence you fly through
-mel
On Mar 18, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Hosler, John wrote:
I hate to ask this but how often do you need to “reseal” tanks? I have had my 1977 Cheetah since 1981. Over 5000 hrs. No leaks.
John
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Gary L Vogt
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:07 PM
To: Teamgrumman List
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Wing tank reseal
First pic: I found this pick in the wing. I was thinking that maybe this wing hadn't been resealed before.
Second pic: I'm getting down to the short strokes now.
I've got about 25 hours in this wing. At this point, I wish I had not started on the top half of the rib. Got burned once on a wing by not doing both sides so . . . . .
Did the Polysulfide stripper work? Well, yes and no. It's difficult to control. It strips, but, not all that well. The Polysulfide in this tank is almost black. It doesn't look like anything I've ever used. It is a bit brittle compared to PS890. It also sticks like crazy. It's nearly impossible to get under it and scrape up a piece. THe other stuff I can grab onto with suture clamps and drag out a chunk. This stuff breaks off.
Gary
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| Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:34 pm Post subject: Wing tank reseal |
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If you haven't had a leaky tank, then all I can say is thank someone above. It is by far the biggest PITA! My IA wont even fix them anymore, especially on moonies. Apparently they are worse than grummans. The only reason he helped me is he didn't do much except shoot the rivets to fix my delaminated wing and inspect everything before I put it all together. I got to do all the scraping, and cleaning, and sealing. I really hope I never have to do that again.
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 19, 2013, at 12:31 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com (teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
[quote]"It depends on how much turbulence you fly through "
I put this under old wives tales. If it leaks, odds are there was a bubble in the sealant when it was sealed. Or a small spot was missed. I've got a 74 Traveler That's never had the wings opened. Another customer has a much misused and abused Cheetah with no wing leak history. One plane has been crashed twice, nothing serious, wings bonded and still no leaks.
On the other hand, I had a 2004 Tiger with a leak from the factory. Several serial numbers later another 2004 is dry.
It's the luck of the draw.
Gar y
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 18, 2013, at 2:44 PM, "Hosler, John" <JHOSLER(at)epri.com (JHOSLER(at)epri.com)> wrote:
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Then I am in big trouble.
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Mel Beckman
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 4:34 PM
To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com (teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Wing tank reseal
It depends on how much turbulence you fly through
-mel
On Mar 18, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Hosler, John wrote:
I hate to ask this but how often do you need to “reseal” tanks? I have had my 1977 Cheetah since 1981. Over 5000 hrs. No leaks.
John
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Gary L Vogt
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:07 PM
To: Teamgrumman List
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Wing tank reseal
First pic: I found this pick in the wing. I was thinking that maybe this wing hadn't been resealed before.
Second pic: I'm getting down to the short strokes now.
I've got about 25 hours in this wing. At this point, I wish I had not started on the top half of the rib. Got burned once on a wing by not doing both sides so . . . . .
Did the Polysulfide stripper work? Well, yes and no. It's difficult to control. It strips, but, not all that well. The Polysulfide in this tank is almost black. It doesn't look like anything I've ever used. It is a bit brittle compared to PS890. It also sticks like crazy. It's nearly impossible to get under it and scrape up a piece. THe other stuff I can grab onto with suture clamps and drag out a chunk. This stuff breaks off.
Gary
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I got the tank, pretty much, all cleaned today. Figure about 30 hours total so far. Just some final cleaning and then the sealant.
On-the-whole, this is about average. The last tank I resealed was in 2007. I only resealed the top half of the rib. The top half of the rib had been resealed 6 times previously. I dug out a LOT of sealant. I had about 25 hours in cleaning half a rib. It is a major PITA to clean the tank.
Gary
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On Mar 19, 2013, at 9:33 PM, Brock <n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com (n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
[quote]If you haven't had a leaky tank, then all I can say is thank someone above. It is by far the biggest PITA! My IA wont even fix them anymore, especially on moonies. Apparently they are worse than grummans. The only reason he helped me is he didn't do much except shoot the rivets to fix my delaminated wing and inspect everything before I put it all together. I got to do all the scraping, and cleaning, and sealing. I really hope I never have to do that again.
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 19, 2013, at 12:31 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com (teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | "It depends on how much turbulence you fly through "
I put this under old wives tales. If it leaks, odds are there was a bubble in the sealant when it was sealed. Or a small spot was missed. I've got a 74 Traveler That's never had the wings opened. Another customer has a much misused and abused Cheetah with no wing leak history. One plane has been crashed twice, nothing serious, wings bonded and still no leaks.
On the other hand, I had a 2004 Tiger with a leak from the factory. Several serial numbers later another 2004 is dry.
It's the luck of the draw.
Gar y
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 18, 2013, at 2:44 PM, "Hosler, John" <JHOSLER(at)epri.com (JHOSLER(at)epri.com)> wrote:
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Then I am in big trouble.
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Mel Beckman
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 4:34 PM
To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com (teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Wing tank reseal
It depends on how much turbulence you fly through
-mel
On Mar 18, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Hosler, John wrote:
I hate to ask this but how often do you need to “reseal” tanks? I have had my 1977 Cheetah since 1981. Over 5000 hrs. No leaks.
John
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Gary L Vogt
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:07 PM
To: Teamgrumman List
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Wing tank reseal
First pic: I found this pick in the wing. I was thinking that maybe this wing hadn't been resealed before.
Second pic: I'm getting down to the short strokes now.
I've got about 25 hours in this wing. At this point, I wish I had not started on the top half of the rib. Got burned once on a wing by not doing both sides so . . . . .
Did the Polysulfide stripper work? Well, yes and no. It's difficult to control. It strips, but, not all that well. The Polysulfide in this tank is almost black. It doesn't look like anything I've ever used. It is a bit brittle compared to PS890. It also sticks like crazy. It's nearly impossible to get under it and scrape up a piece. THe other stuff I can grab onto with suture clamps and drag out a chunk. This stuff breaks off.
Gary
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