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jim.kulbeth(at)insightbb.
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Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:25 am Post subject: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/13

I read most of the blogs but seldom respond. It is very informative. Many of the problems that I see,  I have no experienced here in the USA.  I use a 91 octane no lead, no alcohol gas in my Jabiru. I have only used it for about 6 months. Main reason is I also have a Rotax in a motor glider and it hates lead, so it is convenient to fill the tanks at same time. My question is,"if What are the results in engine life and performance if you can run a non alcohol gas?  With the Rotax it seems to be 50 hr oil changes instead of 25 hrs. It also means I can go to 2000 hrs TBO if I take care of it and I know of several that have.  Can anyone give your history with the Jabiru in the lighting or any other aircraft for that matter.



Regards

Jimmy



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     1. 01:37 AM - Proven sloshing fluid for Ethanol?  (James, Clive R)

 

 

 

 ________________________________  Message 1  _____________________________________

 

 

 Time: 01:37:59 AM PST US

 Subject: Proven sloshing fluid for Ethanol?

 From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>

 

 Has anyone found a good fluid yet? Seems someone has proven the early 

 Jabiru fluid was indeed not good enough. See attached.

 

 Appreciate if anyone has info on an alcohol proof fluid yet.

 

 

 Regards, Clive

 

 P.S. suggestions from folk to only use avgas are only accepted for folk 

 who are paying less than $14 a gallon for it

 

 

 From: Dave (Skycraft) [mailto:dave(at)sky-craft.co.uk] 

 Sent: 15 March 2013 12:25

 Subject: CAA Safety Sense Leaflet 4

 

 

 Dear Jabiru and Rans Owners,

 

 

 Attached is a copy of the CAA Safety Sense Leaflet No 4 which is about 

 Mogas and Ethanol.

 

 

 Although this leaflet has been around since January 2012 I thought  I 

 would re-send it.

 

 

 We have a Jabiru customer who has been using Mogas in his aircraft and 

 had not realized the implications of the fuel suppliers adding ethanol 

 to their supplies. The Ethanol has eaten away the inside of his wing 

 fuel tanks, leaked out into the wing causing further damage. The long 

 and short of this sad tale is that both his wings are scrap and not 

 covered by his insurance.

 

 

 Looking through the aircraft's log books I calculate that the savings of 

 using Mogas since ethanol was added may be about =A340, a replacement 

 set of wings will be several thousand pounds.  If there is 10% Ethanol 

 in the fuel and the ethanol is washed out this in effect increases your 

 garage pump price by about 14p.

 

 

 So it's just not worth it in our opinion.

 

 

 Regards

 

 

 Dave Almey

 

 

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Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:27 am Post subject: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/13

Jim, greetings from S.W. Florida.  I operate two Jabiru powered aircraft 

out of Buckingham Field. My Alpi 200 Pioneer is a Jabiru 85 h.p. has over

256 hours on unleaded auto gas. I have switched to non ethanol because my 

other aircraft is a Arion Lightning with a Jabiru 120 h.p. The Jabiru

engine does not require non ethanol, how ever the airframe does require that 

fuel or avgas.  No problems with either power plant. There is no

perceptual lack of power with  avgas or recreational gas.  The spark plugs 

remain as new looking, no carbon or soot build up, no carb ice.  The 

combustion

chambers are free of carbon deposits as usually found using avgas.  Bob Haas 

, N380BH N330BH.



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jim.kulbeth(at)insightbb.
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:22 pm Post subject: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/13

Thank you for the response.  It is easy to get non ethanol and no lead

here in my town.  Not available in lots of areas.  Gas with Ethanol

has never been an option for me.   I run 91 octane and could get 93

Octane but need to go to another town.  I have 150 hours on the

Lightning and about 110 with the Lambada which is 80 HP Rotax.  When I

pull the valve covers they look as new.  I am in Southern  Indiana and

the only complaint about the Jabiru is it does not like cold weather.

Otherwise it is nice engine and very smooth. I just bought a Cessna

182 and will probably sell the lightning, or so my wife tells me but

she does not know everything.  My email address is

jimkulbeth(at)insightbb.com.  I would like to ask you a few questions but

do not want it posted.. I am not too sure how this blog thing works

and got my butt in trouble one time on Facebook thinking I was talking

to one person and it went out to the world.



Let me hear from you.



Jimmy



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jim.kulbeth(at)insightbb.
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:13 pm Post subject: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/13

Well after what Nick said  I am back to 100LL.  Seems it is not the engine but the tank that has the problem. Do not need that problem.  The answer is the metal tank which I cannot have with my plane.  So 25 hr oil changes will be the norm on both of my machines. 



Regards

Jimmy



On Mar 17, 2013, at 12:27 PM, "Bob Haas" <checkpoint2(at)centurylink.net> wrote:



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   Jim, greetings from S.W. Florida.  I operate two Jabiru powered aircraft out of Buckingham Field. My Alpi 200 Pioneer is a Jabiru 85 h.p. has over

 256 hours on unleaded auto gas. I have switched to non ethanol because my other aircraft is a Arion Lightning with a Jabiru 120 h.p. The Jabiru

 engine does not require non ethanol, how ever the airframe does require that fuel or avgas.  No problems with either power plant. There is no

 perceptual lack of power with  avgas or recreational gas.  The spark plugs remain as new looking, no carbon or soot build up, no carb ice.  The combustion

 chambers are free of carbon deposits as usually found using avgas.  Bob Haas , N380BH N330BH.

 

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