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jeff(at)rmmm.net
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:48 am Post subject: Europa For Sale

Hi All,Due to continuing health issues and a realignment of priorities I have decided to make an effort to find a new home for N128LJ / Gold Rush. Last summer I had Custom Flight Creations install a brand new 2012... 912 ULS engine hoping to keep her but thats not going to happen.  She flies perfect and runs smoother than I ever thought possible. 130 KTS without pushing her. Below is copy of the ad including all her features. If you are interested and may want more pictures you may contact me off list at jeff(at)rmmm.net (jeff(at)rmmm.net).

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Europa N128LJ is for Sale! 15 hours on new 2012 912ULS engine and new Sensenich ground adjustable prop! - 350 hours TT on proven airframe. She runs smooth and flies perfect. Trio autopilot, True Track ADI with internal GPS. AS, ALT, VSI, and MGL engine monitor with limits. Garmin transponder, I-Com radio, day night VFR equipped with all LED lighting. Radiator heater, custom interior, and much more. One of the most beautiful looking & flying planes out there. 130-KTS (at) 4.5 GPH. Roomy cabin great vision. Just annulled with engine install. $56K OBO. All logs, Fly NOW with a proven airframe and a new 912 ULS engine! • Contact builder. Jeff Roberts 615-406-8651 or email  jeff(at)rmmm.net (jeff(at)rmmm.net) 

Located Zephyrhills FL, USA. Can ship overseas if necessary.Yes she flys as good as she looks!

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Alan Carter

Joined: 02 Jul 2012
Posts: 378
Location: Kent, England.

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: Europa For Sale

Â£36600 in the uk.

It looks a beautiful Europa, with a new engine, if I did not have one,

I would give you the money tomorrow .

Over here you could not find one for that price.

Regards.

Alan

europajimkelly(at)gmail.c
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:58 am Post subject: Europa For Sale

Hi Alan,               You can't be looking hard enough. G-JHYS a cracker sold for £25k last October.  Another beauty with supberb avionics G-OBJT was very recently sold for the asking price of £30k.

 



Europajim

 



On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Alan Carter <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net (alancarteresq(at)onetel.net)> wrote:

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 £36600 in the uk.

 It looks a beautiful Europa, with a new engine, if I did not have one,

 I would give you the money tomorrow .

 Over here you could not find one for that price.

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Alan Carter

Joined: 02 Jul 2012
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Location: Kent, England.

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:47 am Post subject: Re: Europa For Sale

Hi Europajim 

Sorry you are wrong.

From what i can see of the body work, which is hard to judge from a photo, it looks neat.

And with a brand new engine which must have cost over Â£22000 i think its reasonable priced,

As for G-JHYS I think Â£25000  was about right, with a spend of Â£10000 in tidying it up you would have a compatible compassion.

G-OBJT don,t know anything about, photo looks good, 

I paid Â£35000 for mine, maybe Â£2000 over the top, but at the time only few on the market,and that cost me Â£500 in diesel driving up and down the country looking, and at 66 i have,t the time to wait looking i need to be flying.



Regards.

Alan

Roland

Joined: 30 Nov 2009
Posts: 334
Location: EDLE

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:16 am Post subject: Re: Europa For Sale

I paid 38.000 for mine from 2001 and 288 hours on the airframe. It is an XS (wings and fuselage) and has a Rotax 914 fitted. I think that this was a reasonable price and because my wish list was XS (and btw even that version is not very spacious for me with 1,82 Metres), Trigear and Rotax (at least the 912 S) the important remaining bit was to find a thoroughly built exemplar, which I luckily managed to. It was an honest offer from an honest man (also with hindsight) and so I didn't negotiate. I do not regret that I paid the price and I agree with Alan, that you cannot judge that much from photos or the description of the previous owner.



Just my 2 cents.



Roland

XS Trigear 914

PH-ZTI

Alan Carter

Joined: 02 Jul 2012
Posts: 378
Location: Kent, England.

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:50 am Post subject: Re: Europa For Sale

Hi Roland.

It is hard from a photo, but the fit of the inspection panels looks neat.

i have seen some untidy ones, and that's gives a little clue as to the build, it has a air vent on the fin, what,s this for,?

A fixed trim tab on the aileron, so needs a little tweaking.

Would like to see the Instrument Panel, Please post it on the forum,??



Alan

Trevpond(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:14 am Post subject: Europa For Sale

To Build a 914 Trigear, include a very good panel with a customised  interior will cost £60,000 for the bits!  I know of two being built at the  moment that will cost around £100,000 finished.

  

 I would remind you Guys about a Europa that was recently put on sale and  the owner was smothered in dreamers and others looking for free flights who  thought they could buy the aircraft for £20,000.  The syndicates are the  best, 5 lads all looking for a flight for free!!

  

 I agree that some of the old Classics were cheap to build, were fairly  basic with a 912 engine and gave amazing performance and so much pleasure to  their owners, but a Europa these days costs three times as much to build.

  

 Trev

 G-LINN

  

  

  

  

  

  In a message dated 16/04/2013 11:51:26 GMT Daylight Time,  alancarteresq(at)onetel.net writes:

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Hi Roland.

It is hard from a photo,    but the fit of the inspection panels looks neat.

i have seen some untidy    ones, and that's gives a little clue as to the build, it has a air vent on the    fin, what,s this for,?

A fixed trim tab on the aileron, so needs a little    tweaking.

Would like to see the Instrument Panel, Please post it on the    forum,??



Alan





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Alan Carter

Joined: 02 Jul 2012
Posts: 378
Location: Kent, England.

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:18 am Post subject: Re: Europa For Sale

Hi Trevor.

Its a labour of love, you spend 60000 on bits 20000 in time and it cost you Â£80000, stick it up for sale the next day and you would be lucky to  get 50000. its unfortunate but that, the way it is, I think builder do it because its there hobby and enjoy making things, and don't really bother about how much it has cost them, Some have built and sold within a year, and started a new one.

As for costs ,I was walking down the road on Google Earth the other day.

garage forecourt sign petrol Â£1.01 per litre  ,I looked at the date on the bottom of the screen, 2009. Today Â£1.50 litre. and we a,nt got any money.



Regards.

Alan

jeff(at)rmmm.net
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:22 am Post subject: Europa For Sale

Gentlemen,

The NACA opening on the tail is connected to a 2.5 inch tube that pushes air into two vents behind the pilot & passenger's heads. It's very effective in flight and somewhat on the ground. There's two swivel valves you can tun on or off like that in airliners. I'm sending two pictures here. We'll see if they go thru.

Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush





Thats an Ave Map pannel mounted and connected to the trio single axes auto pilot. 



Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush



On Apr 16, 2013, at 6:50 AM, Alan Carter wrote:



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 Hi Roland.

 It is hard from a photo, but the fit of the inspection panels looks neat.

 i have seen some untidy ones, and that's gives a little clue as to the build, it has a air vent on the fin, what,s this for,?

 A fixed trim tab on the aileron, so needs a little tweaking.

 Would like to see the Instrument Panel, Please post it on the forum,??

 

 Alan

 

 

 

 

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jeff(at)rmmm.net
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:23 am Post subject: Europa For Sale

Another two pictures of Gold Rush.

Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush



The landing light under the prop is an HID with ballast that looks like a 727 coming in.





On Apr 16, 2013, at 6:50 AM, Alan Carter wrote:



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 Hi Roland.

 It is hard from a photo, but the fit of the inspection panels looks neat.

 i have seen some untidy ones, and that's gives a little clue as to the build, it has a air vent on the fin, what,s this for,?

 A fixed trim tab on the aileron, so needs a little tweaking.

 Would like to see the Instrument Panel, Please post it on the forum,??

 

 Alan

 

 

 

 

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Alan Carter

Joined: 02 Jul 2012
Posts: 378
Location: Kent, England.

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:36 am Post subject: Re: Europa For Sale

Hey Jeff.

That,s a posh looking little aeroplane you have.

Wish mine was as nice,

Many thanks.

Alan

europajimkelly(at)gmail.c
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:22 am Post subject: Europa For Sale

Hi Jeff,             I mentioned to Alan earlier today about some Europa owners expecting a little too much for their aircraft, yours is without doubt an exception, she's truly a nice one.  I hope you find a buyer soon.  I'm currently searching for a good Europa and just missed the best one that I've seen (G-OBJT) because the surveyor couldn't get to examine her due to weather, sods law.

There is a LAA document No TL 1.06 issue 3 01/01/08 that advises potential buyers of homebuilt aircraft particularly from the USA, this should be studied.

 Jeff, if you could email me direct I'd be grateful : europajimkelly(at)gmail.com (europajimkelly(at)gmail.com)

Best wishes

Jim 

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Jeffrey Roberts <jeff(at)rmmm.net (jeff(at)rmmm.net)> wrote:

[quote] Gentlemen,

 The NACA opening on the tail is connected to a 2.5 inch tube that pushes air into two vents behind the pilot & passenger's heads. It's very effective in flight and somewhat on the ground. There's two swivel valves you can tun on or off like that in airliners. I'm sending two pictures here. We'll see if they go thru.

  Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush

 Thats an Ave Map pannel mounted and connected to the trio single axes auto pilot.

 Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush

 On Apr 16, 2013, at 6:50 AM, Alan Carter wrote:

 > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net (alancarteresq(at)onetel.net)>

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 > Hi Roland.

 > It is hard from a photo, but the fit of the inspection panels looks neat.

 > i have seen some untidy ones, and that's gives a little clue as to the build, it has a air vent on the fin, what,s this for,?

 > A fixed trim tab on the aileron, so needs a little tweaking.

 > Would like to see the Instrument Panel, Please post it on the forum,??

 >

 > Alan

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 > Read this topic online here:

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rlborger(at)mac.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:23 am Post subject: Europa For Sale

Jeff,



I'm very sorry to hear that you have to sell Gold Rush.  I know how much it means to you.  I wish you the best with your health issues and pray you find your solution.

Gents,



I've seen Gold Rush.  It is a jewel.  Beautifully finished to the last detail.  Very well equipped panel.  It is an absolute steal at Jeff's asking price.  Some very lucky person will have themselves a great aircraft for 50% of what it would cost to build from kit and pieces.  Not to mention the saving in build time.  If I were in the market for a fine touring aircraft, I'd be on this like a duck on a june bug.  What a deal!



Blue skies & tailwinds,

Bob Borger

Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.

Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP

3705 Lynchburg Dr.

Corinth, TX  76208-5331

Cel: 817-992-1117

rlborger(at)mac.com



On Apr 16, 2013, at 9:20 AM, Jeffrey Roberts <jeff(at)rmmm.net> wrote:



Gentlemen,

The NACA opening on the tail is connected to a 2.5 inch tube that pushes air into two vents behind the pilot & passenger's heads. It's very effective in flight and somewhat on the ground. There's two swivel valves you can tun on or off like that in airliners. I'm sending two pictures here. We'll see if they go thru.

Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush



<DSC07669.JPG><DSC07052.JPG>



Thats an Ave Map pannel mounted and connected to the trio single axes auto pilot. 



Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush



On Apr 16, 2013, at 6:50 AM, Alan Carter wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Hi Roland.

 It is hard from a photo, but the fit of the inspection panels looks neat.

 i have seen some untidy ones, and that's gives a little clue as to the build, it has a air vent on the fin, what,s this for,?

 A fixed trim tab on the aileron, so needs a little tweaking.

 Would like to see the Instrument Panel, Please post it on the forum,??

 

 Alan

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398700#398700

Alan Carter

Joined: 02 Jul 2012
Posts: 378
Location: Kent, England.

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:41 am Post subject: Re: Europa For Sale

Hi Bob.

Its a beauty hard from a photo but i could see the fit lines of those inspection covers, Cheers Alan

jeff(at)rmmm.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:06 am Post subject: Europa For Sale

Thanks for the encouraging words Bob. My issues are health but those I can and will overcome!! However as we all know the FAA makes it hard so my future will be one day ELSA. But there's other factors in this decision as well. Like a 96 year old Mother that I need to move here from up north. I could go on as there's several other situations that life has thrown our way. For now there is just no time to fly and hanger rent isn't cheep. 

My bird is a jewel and I hope she lands in the hands of one that will appreciate her more than someone wanting to steal her.

Again my thanks to all of the Europa community for their kid words!!

Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush / FOR SALE

On Apr 16, 2013, at 11:22 AM, Robert Borger wrote:

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 Jeff,

 I'm very sorry to hear that you have to sell Gold Rush.  I know how much it means to you.  I wish you the best with your health issues and pray you find your solution.

 Gents,

 I've seen Gold Rush.  It is a jewel.  Beautifully finished to the last detail.  Very well equipped panel.  It is an absolute steal at Jeff's asking price.  Some very lucky person will have themselves a great aircraft for 50% of what it would cost to build from kit and pieces.  Not to mention the saving in build time.  If I were in the market for a fine touring aircraft, I'd be on this like a duck on a june bug.  What a deal!

 Blue skies & tailwinds,

 Bob Borger

 Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.

 Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP

 3705 Lynchburg Dr.

 Corinth, TX  76208-5331

 Cel: 817-992-1117

 rlborger(at)mac.com

 On Apr 16, 2013, at 9:20 AM, Jeffrey Roberts <jeff(at)rmmm.net> wrote:

 Gentlemen,

 The NACA opening on the tail is connected to a 2.5 inch tube that pushes air into two vents behind the pilot & passenger's heads. It's very effective in flight and somewhat on the ground. There's two swivel valves you can tun on or off like that in airliners. I'm sending two pictures here. We'll see if they go thru.

 Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush

 <DSC07669.JPG><DSC07052.JPG>

 Thats an Ave Map pannel mounted and connected to the trio single axes auto pilot. 

 Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush

 On Apr 16, 2013, at 6:50 AM, Alan Carter wrote:

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> Hi Roland.

> It is hard from a photo, but the fit of the inspection panels looks neat.

> i have seen some untidy ones, and that's gives a little clue as to the build, it has a air vent on the fin, what,s this for,?

> A fixed trim tab on the aileron, so needs a little tweaking.

> Would like to see the Instrument Panel, Please post it on the forum,??

> 

> Alan

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Troy Maynor

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 162

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: Europa For Sale

Hi Jeff, 

I hate to see you part with GR. I wish very much there was some way I could take her. I had the awesome privilege to ride shotgun in her at Rough River a few years ago in the fly over with Jeff Behrnes and John Lawton. I can confirm this is one of the best Europas I have seen. Maybe I could hit the lottery. Good luck with everything Jeff.

Troy

jeff(at)rmmm.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:06 am Post subject: Europa For Sale

Thanks Troy,You'll have to give us all a report on Sun-N-Fun one day. I was there but only for a day.



 Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush / FOR SALE



 

 

On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:30 PM, Troy Maynor wrote:

[quote]--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54(at)charter.net (wingnut54(at)charter.net)>



Hi Jeff, 

I hate to see you part with GR. I wish very much there was some way I could take her. I had the awesome privilege to ride shotgun in her at Rough River a few years ago in the fly over with Jeff Behrnes and John Lawton. I can confirm this is one of the best Europas I have seen. Maybe I could hit the lottery. Good luck with everything Jeff.

Troy





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