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Skel
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Can anyone tell me if these matco brakes are any good? From the research I've done so far....I think these may be the bad matco brakes I've heard about. I don't have the master cylinders or anything else related to the braking system when I bought my unfinished kit. I'm hoping one of the experts can advise whether I should bother trying to source the missing parts or just buy a new braking system. Thanks in advance.
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rickofudall
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| Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:57 pm Post subject: Matco hydraulic brakes |
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Skel, If they're the Matco units like the ones on a Mk IIIX I worked on, I'd go to another brand.If yours have no way for the fixed pad to slide ask yourself how they work. The fixed pad either has to be shimmed so tight that it glazes or either the caliper or the disk has to bend. IMHO they are almost worthless.
Rick Girard
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Skel <mursall(at)yahoo.com (mursall(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
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Can anyone tell me if these matco brakes are any good? From the research I've done so far....I think these may be the bad matco brakes I've heard about. I don't have the master cylinders or anything else related to the braking system when I bought my unfinished kit. I'm hoping one of the experts can advise whether I should bother trying to source the missing parts or just buy a new braking system. Thanks in advance.
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05 Challenger 2 503 Rotax - 150 hrs experience
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| Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:05 pm Post subject: Matco hydraulic brakes |
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they are the same brakes I have on my mk III,,,,, the fixed pad does slide back and forth (if installed correctly) there is a bushing keeping the 2 halves at a set distance apart,, the bushing goes over the mounting bolt and slides back and forth through the flanged holes in the mounting plate ,, the biggest problem , and it is not a big problem,,is they don’t hold as tight as I would like... when I had the 600 x6x 15 tires, they held ok.. when I went to the larger tire, 600 x6 they will not hold the plane still at as high of an rpm, due to the longer moment arm on the taller tire.. with 2 people in the plane, I can hold the brakes till the tail comes up,,, solo, I will start to creep forward... matco makes a brake that has 2 pistons, and has more holding power. and the axel and bearings are larger diamater as well. the axel is 7/8 instead of 5/8 if my memory serves.
boyd young
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Skel, If they're the Matco units like the ones on a Mk IIIX I worked on, I'd go to another brand. If yours have no way for the fixed pad to slide ask yourself how they work. The fixed pad either has to be shimmed so tight that it glazes or either the caliper or the disk has to bend. IMHO they are almost worthless.
Rick Girard
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Can anyone tell me if these matco brakes are any good? From the research I've done so far....I think these may be the bad matco brakes I've heard about. I don't have the master cylinders or anything else related to the braking system when I bought my unfinished kit. I'm hoping one of the experts can advise whether I should bother trying to source the missing parts or just buy a new braking system. Thanks in advance.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:53 am Post subject: Matco hydraulic brakes |
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I have the same Matco brakes that I have been flying on my VW powered MKIIIC for fifteen years. Boyd exactly right on all points. I think Matco has newer more abrasive brake pads that I will try some day. I flew the factory demonstrator "Fat Albert" that had the same brakes and they were three times as powerful. Not sure why they worked so much better. Bottom line Matco brakes work very reliable if not super powerful but they are very functional.
Anyway if you have money burning a hole in your pocket go ahead and get different brakes.
Matco also has many options for improved performance that could be done with less cost than replacing them. Check with Matco.
Rick Neilsen
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[quote] they are the same brakes I have on my mk III,,,,, the fixed pad does slide back and forth (if installed correctly) there is a bushing keeping the 2 halves at a set distance apart,, the bushing goes over the mounting bolt and slides back and forth through the flanged holes in the mounting plate ,, the biggest problem , and it is not a big problem,,is they don’t hold as tight as I would like... when I had the 600 x6x 15 tires, they held ok.. when I went to the larger tire, 600 x6 they will not hold the plane still at as high of an rpm, due to the longer moment arm on the taller tire.. with 2 people in the plane, I can hold the brakes till the tail comes up,,, solo, I will start to creep forward... matco makes a brake that has 2 pistons, and has more holding power. and the axel and bearings are larger diamater as well. the axel is 7/8 instead of 5/8 if my memory serves.
boyd young
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Skel, If they're the Matco units like the ones on a Mk IIIX I worked on, I'd go to another brand. If yours have no way for the fixed pad to slide ask yourself how they work. The fixed pad either has to be shimmed so tight that it glazes or either the caliper or the disk has to bend. IMHO they are almost worthless.
Rick Girard
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I had not given thought that Matco would have brake pads that are more (sticky, grabby, softer) I am not sure the correct word...... that would be a real easy / cheep fix for a bit more hold. just thinking out loud here,,, if the pads had more grip I would suppose they would wear faster. and that is not likely to be a problem.
boyd
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I have the same Matco brakes that I have been flying on my VW powered MKIIIC for fifteen years. Boyd exactly right on all points. I think Matco has newer more abrasive brake pads that I will try some day. I flew the factory demonstrator "Fat Albert" that had the same brakes and they were three times as powerful. Not sure why they worked so much better. Bottom line Matco brakes work very reliable if not super powerful but they are very functional.
Anyway if you have money burning a hole in your pocket go ahead and get different brakes.
Matco also has many options for improved performance that could be done with less cost than replacing them. Check with Matco.
Rick Neilsen
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