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 Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:34 pm Post subject: Aluminum pricing |
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John, you'd better pick up your material as quickly as possible, as ingot prices tripled in the last 13 months. We spent 2.4 million on LESS aluminum this year than we paid $900 thousand for just a year ago. The only reasoning offered for the hike has been China's recent building boom (less than 10% of our domestic aluminum makes it to China).
When it comes down to it, it's the same thing that's happening to gasoline. We pay more because we're willing to. To make a long story short, both Alcoa and Reynolds anticipate that the increases will continue unabated. Of course they say the same thing about gold, so we'll see who's right! Just pick up what you can as soon as you can. Use the info at ch601.org as a general guide for your requirements. It's fairly close to reality.
Randy Bryant <randy(at)shadycreekoutlaws.com> wrote:[quote] --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant"
Hello John,
I bought all of my raw materials from Yarde Metals in High Point, NC,
although they have other warehouses across the US... You can visit their
site at: http://www.yarde.com The total cost of materials I bought from
them was about $1800...including the thick stuff to build the spring landing
gear... For my sheets, I used the cutting/layout templates from
http://www.ch601.org and just bought the number of sheets shown on the
layouts... For the flat bar, round bar, extrusion angle, I just made a
guess at that by looking at the plans and ordered it...
I've ordered a few odds & ends from Speedy's Metals. They have just about
anything you need and they'll cut to any size for you... And their prices
seem to be good too! Here's their URL:
http://stores.ebay.com/SPEEDY-METALS-1-888-744-4140
Here's what I ordered from Yarde Metals:
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QUANTITY - THICKNESS - WIDTH - LENGTH
1 - .016" - 48" X 144"
2 - .020" - 48" X 144"
15 - .025" - 48" X 144"
2 - .032" - 48" X 144"
1 - .040" - 48" X 144"
1 - .063" - 24" X 48"
1 - .090" - 18" X 12"
1 - .125" - 18" X 12"
6 - 12' pieces - 1 1/2" wide X 1/4" thick flat bar.
2 - 12' pieces of 3/4" X 3/4" - 0.093" Thick, extrusion angle.
1 - flat bar - 8" wide - 144" Long - 3/4" thick.
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The only item I've found I needed more of was the 1 1/2" wide X 1/4" thick
flat bar. When I figured what I needed, I forgot to include enough to build
the center spar with and ran short there and had to order more... Up to
this point, even with a few mistakes, I'm running on schedule, and maybe a
little ahead, on materials... There are a lot of the small parts you can
make from the scrap you generate, like pieces between wing ribs after you
cut them out, that will help conserve your material... NOW, I'm only just
about ready to start on the fuselage probably by the end of this month, so
I'm a ways from being done... BUT, by my "guesstimation" I really don't
think I'll have to order more of the 'standard' materials... I have found
that I forgot to order the flat plate to make my front nose fork from and
I'll have to order it later... But other than that, I've not found anything
I don't have material for... Oh, you'll need some galvanized sheet to make
the firewall from... I didn't order this because I'm not sure yet if I'll
make mine from galvanized or .015" stainless... The jury is still out on
this one.. When I reach a decision, I'll have to order this material...
Oh yeah, order about 1 foot of 1 1/2" X 1 1/2" X 1/8" extrusion angle...
You'll need this to make your aileron bellcrank supports...
One more pointer I'll give you:
The plans say to make the fuel tanks from .032" material, and I have enough
to do it with... BUT, I'm thinking of ordering enough .050" to make mine
from... The welders that I've talked to say that the tanks would be much
better, and easier to weld if made from .050" instead of the .032" called
for in the plans... This might be something to think of when ordering your
raw sheets...
If you have any more questions, please ask...
Thanks!
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.n344rb.com
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| Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject: Aluminum pricing |
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Wish I would have bought copper futures. Called to get pricing on 1/2" tubing and they said "You can't afford it ($2.20/ft). Can you do what you need to do with black pipe? 12/2 Romex going for up to $1.29/ft around here. And they say there's no inflation! Hope this is just a price spike, and not like gas prices- never to go down again.
Bill
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marinegunner(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:26 pm Post subject: Aluminum pricing |
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Bill,
It is not a price spike. Copper continues to go up and the mine owners (usually from outside the US) make more and more.
Do not archive.--
Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 701, Amado, AZ
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| Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:25 pm Post subject: Aluminum pricing |
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For the Record: It's not just offshore outfits jacking up prices. Most of the aluminum used in the US is of domestic origin, and it's experiencing the same escalating prices. The problem isn't China, or any other nation for that matter, raising prices. The problem, my friends, is that suppliers have learned the one thing we'll wish they hadn't. No matter how much the price increases, we'll still jump on the net and place that order.
Another devastating factor in the metals market is the fact that small mills (those large enough to affect pricing) have been bought out by Alcoa and the other big three. Time to bend over and grit your teeth builders...
Steve Hulland <marinegunner(at)gmail.com> wrote: | Quote: | Bill,
It is not a price spike. Copper continues to go up and the mine owners (usually from outside the US) make more and more.
Do not archive.--
Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 701, Amado, AZ
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p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att
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| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:25 am Post subject: Aluminum pricing |
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Tom,
If only the world were that simple . . .
Aluminum prices are experiencing the same "Bubble" that all
commodities are going through right now. It all started with a real
supply/demand imbalance with crude oil and has extended into wild
price increases in metals and other commodities. While much of the
prices have peaked (gold is back down below $600) there is still a
long way to go to get the prices to more normal levels.
This is not a case of cruel suppliers gouging us dumb consumers. It
is a case of open market fluctuation which seems to have that
effect. The biggest causes include a very weak US Dollar and some
extra demand from China and India entering the Industrial Age.
Some of these things will go away with time. The case of aluminum is
a little different. While it is indeed produced heavily in the USA,
it also is very dependent on energy to extract the metal from
ore. So long as energy prices stay high (which they will until the
dollar strengthens and China and India stop buying petroleum) the
price of aluminum will be elevated.
This is the New World Order so many people wanted . . .
Paul
XL (almost done with) Wings
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At 11:21 PM 6/13/2006, you wrote:
| Quote: | For the Record: It's not just offshore outfits jacking up
prices. Most of the aluminum used in the US is of domestic origin,
and it's experiencing the same escalating prices. The problem isn't
China, or any other nation for that matter, raising prices. The
problem, my friends, is that suppliers have learned the one thing
we'll wish they hadn't. No matter how much the price increases,
we'll still jump on the net and place that order.
Another devastating factor in the metals market is the fact
that small mills (those large enough to affect pricing) have been
bought out by Alcoa and the other big three. Time to bend over and
grit your teeth builders...
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