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Well, its unbelievable, but I was cleaning the shop this morning and accidentally pushed the bandsaw (on a rollaround) into the back of the fuselage and put a scratch and dent into the Aft Top Skin. It wasn't yet riveted, but I was all finished and dimpled. I guess at least it wasn't the side of the fuselage where replacement would be nearly impossible. But still. Waa.
Anyway, I went to order a replacement today and put in the part number "F-825" (F-825-1) is on the plans. I got two hits back:
TOP SKIN, AFT
F-825-1
$126.40
TOP SKIN, AFT -8
F-825PP
$124.00
What's the difference? The PP suffix probably means "pre-punched", but I think the F-825-1 is probably pre-punched as well.
My fuselage is late model, order last year in QB form.
Thanks,
Matt
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
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Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
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Well, its unbelievable, but I was cleaning the shop this morning and accidentally pushed the bandsaw (on a rollaround) into the back of the fuselage and put a scratch and dent into the Aft Top Skin. It wasn't yet riveted, but I was all finished and dimpled. I guess at least it wasn't the side of the fuselage where replacement would be nearly impossible. But still. Waa.
Anyway, I went to order a replacement today and put in the part number "F-825" (F-825-1) is on the plans. I got two hits back:
TOP SKIN, AFT
F-825-1
$126.40
TOP SKIN, AFT -8
F-825PP
$124.00
What's the difference? The PP suffix probably means "pre-punched", but I think the F-825-1 is probably pre-punched as well.
My fuselage is late model, order last year in QB form.
Thanks,
Matt
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
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flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com
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| Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:52 pm Post subject: Top Aft Skin Question... |
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It must be a huge dent/scratch!!!
I'm not anal enough to order a new skin .... I'd use the same
lightweight body filler that I use on the other small dents.
Of course I'm not going with a polished airplane!!!
Linn
On 5/4/2013 6:13 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
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Well, its unbelievable, but I was cleaning the shop this morning and accidentally pushed the bandsaw (on a rollaround) into the back of the fuselage and put a scratch and dent into the Aft Top Skin. It wasn't yet riveted, but I was all finished and dimpled. I guess at least it wasn't the side of the fuselage where replacement would be nearly impossible. But still. Waa.
Anyway, I went to order a replacement today and put in the part number "F-825" (F-825-1) is on the plans. I got two hits back:
TOP SKIN, AFT
F-825-1
$126.40
TOP SKIN, AFT -8
F-825PP
$124.00
What's the difference? The PP suffix probably means "pre-punched", but I think the F-825-1 is probably pre-punched as well.
My fuselage is late model, order last year in QB form.
Thanks,
Matt
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
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N38CW
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Location: Winston-Salem, NC
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| Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 3:12 am Post subject: Top Aft Skin Question... |
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Matt, I don't have the answer to your question and I don't want to change your thought process if that is the way you need to go, but as an alternative, have you considered one of the mobile auto body guys who do paintless dent repair? Depending on the scratch, they can do some pretty amazing things with dents.
Bill
RV-8
From: Linn <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com>
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sat, May 4, 2013 6:52:50 PM
Subject: Re: Top Aft Skin Question...
--> RV-List message posted by: Linn <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com (flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com)>
It must be a huge dent/scratch!!!
I'm not anal enough to order a new skin .... I'd use the same
lightweight body filler that I use on the other small dents.
Of course I'm not going with a polished airplane!!!
Linn
On 5/4/2013 6:13 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
[quote] --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)>
Well, its unbelievable, but I was cleaning the shop this morning and accidentally pushed the bandsaw (on a rollaround) into the back of the fuselage and put a scratch and dent into the Aft Top Skin. It wasn't yet riveted, but I was all finished and dimpled. I guess at least it wasn't the side of the fuselage where replacement would be nearly impossible. But still. Waa.
Anyway, I went to order a replacement today and put in the part number "F-825" (F-825-1) is on the plans. I got two hits back:
TOP SKIN, AFT
F-825-1
$126.40
TOP SKIN, AFT -8
F-825PP
$124.00
What's the difference? The PP suffix probably means "pre-punched", but I think the F-825-1 is probably pre-punched as well.
My fuselage is late model, order last year in QB form.
Thanks,
Matt
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
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| Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 7:27 am Post subject: Top Aft Skin Question... |
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I second that. Â We use a guy out of Hollister pretty regularly. Â He built a GlaStar. Â You might be out of his regular range but that's just an excuse to go flying!
Justin (at) Advanced Dent Repair: Â 831-636-3366
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Bill Settle <billsettle(at)bellsouth.net (billsettle(at)bellsouth.net)> wrote:
[quote] Matt, I don't have the answer to your question and I don't want to change your thought process if that is the way you need to go, but as an alternative, have you considered one of the mobile auto body guys who do paintless dent repair? Â Depending on the scratch, they can do some pretty amazing things with dents.
Bill
RV-8Â
From: Linn <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com (flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com)>
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Sat, May 4, 2013 6:52:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Top Aft Skin Question...
--> RV-List message posted by: Linn <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com (flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com)>
It must be a huge dent/scratch!!!
I'm not anal enough to order a new skin .... I'd use the same
lightweight body filler that I use on the other small dents.
Of course I'm not going with a polished airplane!!!
Linn
On 5/4/2013 6:13 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
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Well, its unbelievable, but I was cleaning the shop this morning and accidentally pushed the bandsaw (on a rollaround) into the back of the fuselage and put a scratch and dent into the Aft Top Skin. It wasn't yet riveted, but I was all finished and dimpled. I guess at least it wasn't the side of the fuselage where replacement would be nearly impossible. But still. Waa.
Anyway, I went to order a replacement today and put in the part number "F-825" (F-825-1) is on the plans. I got two hits back:
     TOP SKIN, AFT
>Â Â Â Â Â F-825-1
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| Quote: | Â Â Â Â Â $126.40
     TOP SKIN, AFT -8
     F-825PP
     $124.00
What's the difference? The PP suffix probably means "pre-punched", but I think the F-825-1 is probably pre-punched as well.
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RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
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Matt Dralle
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| Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 10:51 am Post subject: Top Aft Skin Question... |
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Well, according to Vans catalog, a new F-825-1 is $126. Any sort of "repair" is going to cost that much. I'll have to come clean and say that there are also a couple of rivet holes that got over dimpled and caused a weird border, so it doesn't really hurt my feelings too much to have to just replace it. None of the other "issues" were bad enough for a replacement, but yesterday's indiscretion kind of sealed the deal. I've rebuilt whole elevators for smaller imperfections. I'm just saying... 
Matt
At 08:25 AM 5/5/2013 Sunday, you wrote:
| Quote: | I second that. Â We use a guy out of Hollister pretty regularly. Â He built a GlaStar. Â You might be out of his regular range but that's just an excuse to go flying!
Justin (at) Advanced Dent Repair: Â 831-636-3366
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Bill Settle <<mailto:billsettle(at)bellsouth.net>billsettle(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:
Matt, I don't have the answer to your question and I don't want to change your thought process if that is the way you need to go, but as an alternative, have you considered one of the mobile auto body guys who do paintless dent repair? Â Depending on the scratch, they can do some pretty amazing things with dents.
Bill
RV-8Â
From: Linn <<mailto:flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com>flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com>
To: <mailto:rv-list(at)matronics.com>rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sat, May 4, 2013 6:52:50 PM
Subject: Re: Top Aft Skin Question...
It must be a huge dent/scratch!!!
I'm not anal enough to order a new skin .... I'd use the same
lightweight body filler that I use on the other small dents.
Of course I'm not going with a polished airplane!!!
Linn
On 5/4/2013 6:13 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
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> Well, its unbelievable, but I was cleaning the shop this morning and accidentally pushed the bandsaw (on a rollaround) into the back of the fuselage and put a scratch and dent into the Aft Top Skin. It wasn't yet riveted, but I was all finished and dimpled. I guess at least it wasn't the side of the fuselage where replacement would be nearly impossible. But still. Waa.
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> Anyway, I went to order a replacement today and put in the part number "F-825" (F-825-1) is on the plans. I got two hits back:
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>Â Â Â Â Â TOP SKIN, AFT
>Â Â Â Â Â F-825-1
>Â Â Â Â Â $126.40
>Â Â Â Â Â TOP SKIN, AFT -8
>Â Â Â Â Â F-825PP
>Â Â Â Â Â $124.00
>
> What's the difference? The PP suffix probably means "pre-punched", but I think the F-825-1 is probably pre-punched as well.
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> My fuselage is late model, order last year in QB form.
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> Thanks,
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> Matt
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
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Michael Wynn
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 11:03 am Post subject: Top Aft Skin Question... |
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Hi Matt,
Somewhere about four years ago the fuselage went from mostly pre-punched to matched hole. The pre-punched needed a jig for assembly and the matched hole did not. I got one of the first matched holes and it went together pretty painlessly without jigging. The question is, which one for your fuselage. I suspect your recent QB was done with the F-825-1 but you really ought to check with Vans.
I understand perfectly the desire to get it perfect. I am busy polishing my fuselage (199 LVK if you want to stop by) and every little scratch and ding from assembly takes lots of work to polish out. There are a couple of little dents that I haven't figured out how to fix and/or hind.
Have fun,
Michael Wynn
RV 8 Finishing
San Ramon, CA
In a message dated 5/4/2013 3:14:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dralle(at)matronics.com writes:
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Well, its unbelievable, but I was cleaning the shop this morning and accidentally pushed the bandsaw (on a rollaround) into the back of the fuselage and put a scratch and dent into the Aft Top Skin. It wasn't yet riveted, but I was all finished and dimpled. I guess at least it wasn't the side of the fuselage where replacement would be nearly impossible. But still. Waa.
Anyway, I went to order a replacement today and put in the part number "F-825" (F-825-1) is on the plans. I got two hits back:
TOP SKIN, AFT
F-825-1
$126.40
TOP SKIN, AFT -8
F-825PP
$124.00
What's the difference? The PP suffix probably means "pre-punched", but I think the F-825-1 is probably pre-punched as well.
My fuselage is late model, order last year in QB form.
Thanks,
Matt
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer ies ay - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Site p;
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