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wnorth(at)sdccd.edu
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:09 am Post subject: Tie Downs

Well,



along with nose draggers, primer, fuel injection and tilt up canopies I have

to through the turd in a punchbowl about tie downs.



The little doggy ties, even when made of titanium are useless. Don't believe

me? Screw 'em into the ground and use an engine host to pull 'em out. You'll

be surprised how little it takes. The ti ones look nice and down't

straighten out but they do come out very easily even at an angle.



The one's I use are a little heavier called "The Claw". When tested with the

hoist the hoist was straining and it then pulled out a one foot deep

triangle clump of turf. (Kinda pissed off the FBO owner as she caught me

just as it ripped it out, but I patched it up and made nice to her).



Since the Claw costs about the same, is delivered quickly and works better

the few extra pounds are a no-brainer to me.



http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/claw.php   



W



PS, I have no idea who the heck makes these... so this is not an

advertisment

Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:59 pm Post subject: Tie Downs

Wheeler, I have the Claw tiedowns too, and they work great.

Question for any of you who may be "in the know" on metal sources

though....

Do you think that titanium stakes for use in the claw would save

a bit of weight?  It comes with 9 steel stakes, and it adds up

a bit.  If I could spend $50 extra and get titanium, I may

consider it.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

Wheeler North wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Well,

 

 along with nose draggers, primer, fuel injection and tilt up canopies I have

 to through the turd in a punchbowl about tie downs.

 

 The little doggy ties, even when made of titanium are useless. Don't believe

 me? Screw 'em into the ground and use an engine host to pull 'em out. You'll

 be surprised how little it takes. The ti ones look nice and down't

 straighten out but they do come out very easily even at an angle.

 

 The one's I use are a little heavier called "The Claw". When tested with the

 hoist the hoist was straining and it then pulled out a one foot deep

 triangle clump of turf. (Kinda pissed off the FBO owner as she caught me

 just as it ripped it out, but I patched it up and made nice to her).

 

 Since the Claw costs about the same, is delivered quickly and works better

 the few extra pounds are a no-brainer to me.

 

 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/claw.php   

 

 W

 

 PS, I have no idea who the heck makes these... so this is not an

 advertisment

pbesing(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:12 pm Post subject: Tie Downs

While I'm sure the claw works great, I don't think the

kind of loads that these tie downs see aren't anywhere

close to what an engine hoist would pull.  The loads

are going to be brief jerking when gusts of winds

might hit the airplane.  An engine hoist is going to

progressively pull harder and consistently.



I've seen these tie downs hold down some buckling

airplanes with no problem.  Plus, they screw into just

about anything without bending or breaking.



Paul Besing



--- Wheeler North <wnorth(at)sdccd.edu> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <wnorth(at)sdccd.edu>

 

 Well,

 

 along with nose draggers, primer, fuel injection and

 tilt up canopies I have

 to through the turd in a punchbowl about tie downs.

 

 The little doggy ties, even when made of titanium

 are useless. Don't believe

 me? Screw 'em into the ground and use an engine host

 to pull 'em out. You'll

 be surprised how little it takes. The ti ones look

 nice and down't

 straighten out but they do come out very easily even

 at an angle.

 

 The one's I use are a little heavier called "The

 Claw". When tested with the

 hoist the hoist was straining and it then pulled out

 a one foot deep

 triangle clump of turf. (Kinda pissed off the FBO

 owner as she caught me

 just as it ripped it out, but I patched it up and

 made nice to her).

 

 Since the Claw costs about the same, is delivered

 quickly and works better

 the few extra pounds are a no-brainer to me.

 



http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/claw.php
	


 	  Quote: 	
		     

 

 W

 

 PS, I have no idea who the heck makes these... so

 this is not an

 advertisment

 

 

 



 browse

 Subscriptions page,

 FAQ,

 Admin.



 

 

 

  

  

  

 

 

 

 


	




__________________________________________________

pbesing(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:39 pm Post subject: Tie Downs

I'm currently working with a couple of titanium

suppliers with the intention of filling the need for

the titanium tie downs, since Randy Simpson is unable

to keep up his deliveries.  I'm finding out that the

price is going up, and is questionable if it is worth

it anymore.  Maybe that's why Randy isn't producing

them?  



If I can produce the titanium tie downs through the

suppliers I'm working with (or maybe a claw-type

version) at a reasonable cost, I'll do an initial run

with for an RV-List group buy for the first run.



Paul Besing



--- Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>

 

 Wheeler, I have the Claw tiedowns too, and they work

 great.

 Question for any of you who may be "in the know" on

 metal sources

 though....

 Do you think that titanium stakes for use in the

 claw would save

 a bit of weight?  It comes with 9 steel stakes, and

 it adds up

 a bit.  If I could spend $50 extra and get titanium,

 I may

 consider it.

 

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

 do not archive

 

 

 Wheeler North wrote:

 > 

 <wnorth(at)sdccd.edu>

 > 

 > Well,

 > 

 > along with nose draggers, primer, fuel injection

 and tilt up canopies I have

 > to through the turd in a punchbowl about tie

 downs.

 > 

 > The little doggy ties, even when made of titanium

 are useless. Don't believe

 > me? Screw 'em into the ground and use an engine

 host to pull 'em out. You'll

 > be surprised how little it takes. The ti ones look

 nice and down't

 > straighten out but they do come out very easily

 even at an angle.

 > 

 > The one's I use are a little heavier called "The

 Claw". When tested with the

 > hoist the hoist was straining and it then pulled

 out a one foot deep

 > triangle clump of turf. (Kinda pissed off the FBO

 owner as she caught me

 > just as it ripped it out, but I patched it up and

 made nice to her).

 > 

 > Since the Claw costs about the same, is delivered

 quickly and works better

 > the few extra pounds are a no-brainer to me.

 > 

 >



http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/claw.php
	


 	  Quote: 	
		     

 > 

 > W

 > 

 > PS, I have no idea who the heck makes these... so

 this is not an

 > advertisment

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 >  

 >  

 >  

 > 

 > 

 > 

 

 

 



 browse

 Subscriptions page,

 FAQ,

 Admin.



 

 

 

  

  

  

 

 

 

 


	




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klwerner(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:39 pm Post subject: Tie Downs

Wheeler & Tim,

  

 How heavy is a set of the claws,  metal parts only (or with the rope if you want)?

  

 Thanks,

 Konrad

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:00 pm Post subject: Tie Downs

I think the total is 6 or 8 lbs.  That's everything though, including

the claws, stakes, ropes, and I believe they even count the

hammer (included).  The stakes are the heaviest part.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Konrad L. Werner wrote:

[quote] Wheeler & Tim,

  

 How heavy is a set of the claws, metal parts only (or with the rope if 

 you want)?

  

 Thanks,

 Konrad

 

     !---

lifeofreiley2003(at)yahoo
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:22 pm Post subject: Tie Downs

Both systems work, the ti-downs are more than

sufficient for any RV. I guess you could carry a

couple of gallons of water, a bag of sac-crete and

three 12" eye-bolts... 



Oh, and a small shovel.



Darrell



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--- Paul Besing <pbesing(at)yahoo.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <pbesing(at)yahoo.com>

 

 While I'm sure the claw works great, I don't think

 the

 kind of loads that these tie downs see aren't

 anywhere

 close to what an engine hoist would pull.  The loads

 are going to be brief jerking when gusts of winds

 might hit the airplane.  An engine hoist is going to

 progressively pull harder and consistently.

 

 I've seen these tie downs hold down some buckling

 airplanes with no problem.  Plus, they screw into

 just

 about anything without bending or breaking.

 

 Paul Besing

 

 --- Wheeler North <wnorth(at)sdccd.edu> wrote:

 

 > 

 > <wnorth(at)sdccd.edu>

 > 

 > Well,

 > 

 > along with nose draggers, primer, fuel injection

 and

 > tilt up canopies I have

 > to through the turd in a punchbowl about tie

 downs.

 > 

 > The little doggy ties, even when made of titanium

 > are useless. Don't believe

 > me? Screw 'em into the ground and use an engine

 host

 > to pull 'em out. You'll

 > be surprised how little it takes. The ti ones look

 > nice and down't

 > straighten out but they do come out very easily

 even

 > at an angle.

 > 

 > The one's I use are a little heavier called "The

 > Claw". When tested with the

 > hoist the hoist was straining and it then pulled

 out

 > a one foot deep

 > triangle clump of turf. (Kinda pissed off the FBO

 > owner as she caught me

 > just as it ripped it out, but I patched it up and

 > made nice to her).

 > 

 > Since the Claw costs about the same, is delivered

 > quickly and works better

 > the few extra pounds are a no-brainer to me.

 > 

 >



http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/claw.php
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   >   

 > 

 > W

 > 

 > PS, I have no idea who the heck makes these... so

 > this is not an

 > advertisment

 > 

 > 

 > 

 >

 > browse

 > Subscriptions page,

 > FAQ,

 >

 >

 > Admin.

 >

 > 

 > 

 > 

 >  

 >  

 >  

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 

 

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klwerner(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:37 pm Post subject: Tie Downs

That sounds plausible!  How  small a shovel...?

 [quote]   ---

Tony Marshall

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 11
Location: Polson, MT

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:53 pm Post subject: Tie Downs

I have seen them both.  I have the claw set that I used for my 182.  No 

question....it works great...but the set is quite heavy, hammer and all.

The titaniums seem to be more than adequate for RVs...and I just purchased a 

set.



tony marshall

rv6

polson, mt

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Tony Marshall
RV6
Polson, MT

lifeofreiley2003(at)yahoo
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:38 pm Post subject: Tie Downs

That's a good question...? You would want it big

enough to get a turd out of the punch bowl. 8^)



Instead of a golf club bag mod, you could install a

shovel holder. 



Darrell



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--- "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner(at)comcast.net> wrote:



[quote] That sounds plausible!  How small a shovel...?

   ---

chaztuna(at)adelphia.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:05 pm Post subject: Tie Downs

Wheeler,

  Last October, Hurricane Wilma hit South Florida. Local RV-9A 

builder, Eddie Fernandez has use of a friend's Cessna 172. Eddie 

purchased The Claw for his friend's 172, which is based at McIvor 

(private strip in Southwest Ranches, Florida). This is a grass strip 

and the plane was tied down outside. Wilma did major damage to the 

hangers at all the local airports.

  One leg of one of The Claw units broke in half, but that 172 stayed 

put. Remember that here in South Florida, we don't have much that 

resembles real dirt. Mostly its just grass covered sand. Ed was so 

impressed with the performance of The Claw, that he sent a letter and 

photos of the plane after the hurricane to the manufacturer. The 

manufacturer sent him a free replacement. Now that's a great product 

and an excellent company.

Charlie Kuss

Boca Raton, Florida

 	  Quote: 	
		  



Well,



along with nose draggers, primer, fuel injection and tilt up canopies I have

to through the turd in a punchbowl about tie downs.



The little doggy ties, even when made of titanium are useless. Don't believe

me? Screw 'em into the ground and use an engine host to pull 'em out. You'll

be surprised how little it takes. The ti ones look nice and down't

straighten out but they do come out very easily even at an angle.



The one's I use are a little heavier called "The Claw". When tested with the

hoist the hoist was straining and it then pulled out a one foot deep

triangle clump of turf. (Kinda pissed off the FBO owner as she caught me

just as it ripped it out, but I patched it up and made nice to her).



Since the Claw costs about the same, is delivered quickly and works better

the few extra pounds are a no-brainer to me.



http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/claw.php



W



PS, I have no idea who the heck makes these... so this is not an

advertisment

gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:21 am Post subject: Tie Downs

 	  Quote: 	
		  posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth(at)sdccd.edu (wnorth(at)sdccd.edu)>

The little doggy ties, even when made of titanium are useless.

  
	


I have used the cork screw type but out of mild steel. They are 

hell to screw into hard rocky gound. They constantly break when 

you try to install them in hard or rocky ground. As tough as Ti, it 

will bend and twist when you try to torque the triangle head with 

a lever or stick. The cross section is a rather small rod. 

   

  Also poorly designed is the top triangle loop, which is not welded. 

It may save weight and be Good enough, it does no good if you 

can't get it into the ground. 

   

  Most of use will not carry our tie downs with us except for the long 

X-C and airshows. Lose 8 lbs off you a** and that will cover the 

extra weight of the claw, which should be way easier to install 

and remove in all  conditions. 

   

  George M. RV-4/RV-7

   

   

   

   

   

   



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