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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:46 am    Post subject: Pitot (angle of attack - Dynon) Reply with quote

Hi

Does anyone know if a Dynon pitot has been fitted to a Pulsar - I have both the boom and angled type and need to know how much of a mod this will be.
Thanks
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:54 pm    Post subject: Pitot (angle of attack - Dynon) Reply with quote

I have a Dynon Pitot and AOA fitted to my Pulsar III. I mounted it to the required inspection plate I made when building. I have pics if you are interested. Cheers, Larry N852LW


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Does anyone know if a Dynon pitot has been fitted to a Pulsar - I have both the boom and angled type and need to know how much of a mod this will be.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:23 pm    Post subject: Pitot (angle of attack - Dynon) Reply with quote

Yes please - my repair guy thinks it will be much easier if we have something to copy. But you have a composite wing and I have a ply-skin - it may still be very useful.
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[quote]I have a Dynon Pitot and AOA fitted to my Pulsar III. I mounted it to the required inspection plate I made when building. I have pics if you are interested. Cheers, Larry N852LW


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Does anyone know if a Dynon pitot has been fitted to a Pulsar - I have both the boom and angled type and need to know how much of a mod this will be.
Thanks
Scott MacIntyre
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:04 am    Post subject: Pitot (angle of attack - Dynon) Reply with quote

Here are the pics I have and I would be more than happy to forward any other info I have. Cheers, Larry N852LW
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I have a Dynon Pitot and AOA fitted to my Pulsar III. I mounted it to the required inspection plate I made when building. I have pics if you are interested. Cheers, Larry N852LW


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Hi

Does anyone know if a Dynon pitot has been fitted to a Pulsar - I have both the boom and angled type and need to know how much of a mod this will be.


Thanks
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:36 am    Post subject: Re: Pitot (angle of attack - Dynon) Reply with quote

Larry,

That looks like exquisite workmanship!

Would you mind sharing more details regarding your install?

For example, is it attached before or aft of the main spar? Where did you route the tubes/cables?

Could you describe the materials used in designing the inspection plate? Did you just cut a hole in the wing skin, are my eyes deceiving me, it seems that the back plate is recessed somewhat...

Thx


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:35 am    Post subject: Pitot (angle of attack - Dynon) Reply with quote

In my particular build (Pulsar III) the suggested mount in on the forward inspection plate outside of the left fuel cell. I routed the AOA and AS lines behind the fuel cell and into the wing root. Then it was a matter of routing inside the fuselage to the appropriate gauges and sensors. I used the Push to Connect fittings. I have enclosed several places to buy http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=pneumatic+push+fittings (tubing), [url=http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Overview/Catalog/Pneumatic_Components/Pneumatic_Fittings_-a-_Air_Couplings/Push-to-Connect_Pneumatic_Fittings_(Thermoplastic)]http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Overview/Catalog/Pneumatic_Components/Pneumatic_Fittings_-a-_Air_Couplings/Push-to-Connect_Pneumatic_Fittings_(Thermoplastic)[/url] (all kinds of fittings), Hope this helps. Cheers, Larry N852LW


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That looks like exquisite workmanship!

Would you mind sharing more details regarding your install?

For example, is it attached before or aft of the main spar? Where did you route the tubes/cables?

Could you describe the materials used in designing the inspection plate? Did you just cut a hole in the wing skin, are my eyes deceiving me, it seems that the back plate is recessed somewhat...

Thx




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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:51 am    Post subject: Pitot (angle of attack - Dynon) Reply with quote

I came up woth another supplier which I have used. They are an aircraft supplier and have the fittings and the tubing in the various colors to keep the function clear. http://www.averytools.com/searchprods.asp Hope this will help as well. Cheers, Larry N852LW


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In my particular build (Pulsar III) the suggested mount in on the forward inspection plate outside of the left fuel cell. I routed the AOA and AS lines behind the fuel cell and into the wing root. Then it was a matter of routing inside the fuselage to the appropriate gauges and sensors. I used the Push to Connect fittings. I have enclosed several places to buy http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=pneumatic+push+fittings (tubing), [url=http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Overview/Catalog/Pneumatic_Components/Pneumatic_Fittings_-a-_Air_Couplings/Push-to-Connect_Pneumatic_Fittings_(Thermoplastic)]http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Overview/Catalog/Pneumatic_Components/Pneumatic_Fittings_-a-_Air_Couplings/Push-to-Connect_Pneumatic_Fittings_(Thermoplastic)[/url] (all kinds of fittings), Hope this helps. Cheers, Larry N852LW


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Larry,

That looks like exquisite workmanship!

Would you mind sharing more details regarding your install?

For example, is it attached before or aft of the main spar? Where did you route the tubes/cables?

Could you describe the materials used in designing the inspection plate? Did you just cut a hole in the wing skin, are my eyes deceiving me, it seems that the back plate is recessed somewhat...

Thx




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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:52 am    Post subject: Pitot (angle of attack - Dynon) Reply with quote

Must search the Avery site for Safewair1 kit/tubing. Cheers, Larry N852LW
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I came up woth another supplier which I have used. They are an aircraft supplier and have the fittings and the tubing in the various colors to keep the function clear. http://www.averytools.com/searchprods.asp Hope this will help as well. Cheers, Larry N852LW


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In my particular build (Pulsar III) the suggested mount in on the forward inspection plate outside of the left fuel cell. I routed the AOA and AS lines behind the fuel cell and into the wing root. Then it was a matter of routing inside the fuselage to the appropriate gauges and sensors. I used the Push to Connect fittings. I have enclosed several places to buy http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=pneumatic+push+fittings (tubing), [url=http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Overview/Catalog/Pneumatic_Components/Pneumatic_Fittings_-a-_Air_Couplings/Push-to-Connect_Pneumatic_Fittings_(Thermoplastic)]http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Overview/Catalog/Pneumatic_Components/Pneumatic_Fittings_-a-_Air_Couplings/Push-to-Connect_Pneumatic_Fittings_(Thermoplastic)[/url] (all kinds of fittings), Hope this helps. Cheers, Larry N852LW


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That looks like exquisite workmanship!

Would you mind sharing more details regarding your install?

For example, is it attached before or aft of the main spar? Where did you route the tubes/cables?

Could you describe the materials used in designing the inspection plate? Did you just cut a hole in the wing skin, are my eyes deceiving me, it seems that the back plate is recessed somewhat...

Thx




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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Pitot (angle of attack - Dynon) Reply with quote

So the inspection plate assemblies came with your Pulsar III kit?... I have a Pulsar XP and was wondering if I can/should do something similar... the questions really is how the wings differ on the two pulsars?

There must be structural differences as the III has a higher gross...


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:06 pm    Post subject: Pitot (angle of attack - Dynon) Reply with quote

I am thinking my XP would take the loading of the pitot if mounted on the inspection hatch but it only has 4 small screws. My repair guy/inspector thinks it may be viewed as a modification that requires in-depth planning and proposals so I will suggest the hatch rather than going into a piece of virgin surface.

Thanks for sharing.

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So the inspection plate assemblies came with your Pulsar III kit?... I have a Pulsar XP and was wondering if I can/should do something similar... the questions really is how the wings differ on the two pulsars?

There must be structural differences as the III has a higher gross...




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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:49 pm    Post subject: Pitot (angle of attack - Dynon) Reply with quote

You had to fabricate the plates. What I did was cut the size hole you need and save the cutout circle. I then glassed 3 layers of glass on one side and trimmed to give me a 3/8" edge. Sanded, filled and paint the same as the wing. On the wing I fabed another layup of 4 layers and cutout a circle to give me a "shoulder" to glue to the inside of the wing. After fabricating and trimming I installed 5 blind nuts. You want to use the type that will give a little play in the captive nut portion. You have to do some fidgeting at this point to get the shelf into the wing. Place In the wing using Hysol adhesive. How you index to get the holes to line up is up to you. I just laid the fabed inspection plate over the made shelf and marked and drilled the five holes and marked the location with a felt tip pen. It is kind of a pane but they turn out real well. If you want I can take some close up pics to further illustrate what I am telling you. Cheers, Larry N852LW


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So the inspection plate assemblies came with your Pulsar III kit?... I have a Pulsar XP and was wondering if I can/should do something similar... the questions really is how the wings differ on the two pulsars?

There must be structural differences as the III has a higher gross...




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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:36 pm    Post subject: Pitot (angle of attack - Dynon) Reply with quote

I have an XP and I have two inspection holes on the underside of each
wing. Checked it out with Aero Designs first who said go head.

No problems after 13 years.

Bernie Wilder

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So the inspection plate assemblies came with your Pulsar III kit?... I have a Pulsar XP and was wondering if I can/should do something similar... the questions really is how the wings differ on the two pulsars?

There must be structural differences as the III has a higher gross...


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:18 am    Post subject: Re: Pitot (angle of attack - Dynon) Reply with quote

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If you want I can take some close up pics to further illustrate what I am telling you. Cheers, Larry N852LW


That would be greatly appreciated. Thx


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:19 am    Post subject: Re: Pitot (angle of attack - Dynon) Reply with quote

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I have an XP and I have two inspection holes on the underside of each
wing. Checked it out with Aero Designs first who said go head.

No problems after 13 years.

Bernie Wilder


Are your inspection plates like Larry's?... Could you provide details and pics if available?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:01 am    Post subject: Pitot (angle of attack - Dynon) Reply with quote

Hi

If there are any detailed photos please include me on the email - thanks.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:34 am    Post subject: Pitot (angle of attack - Dynon) Reply with quote

Hi,

Add me to the. distribution as well. My solution has been fiber optic camera to inspect the links and other things where you have limited access.

Esa
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If there are any detailed photos please include me on the email - thanks.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:02 pm    Post subject: Pitot (angle of attack - Dynon) Reply with quote

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bernard.wilder2(at)gmail. wrote:
> I have an XP and I have two inspection holes on the underside of each
> wing. Checked it out with Aero Designs first who said go head.
>
> No problems after 13 years.
>
> Bernie Wilder
>


Are your inspection plates like Larry's?... Could you provide details and pics if available?

Thx




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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:40 am    Post subject: Pitot (angle of attack - Dynon) Reply with quote

In regards to your question of why the Pulsar III has a higher gross weight, I found this in the Skystar literature.
"Skystar engineers reworked the Pulsar's main wing carry-through spar to provide tremendous strength. Gross weight has been raised to 1,200 pounds."

Additional information in the same literature. "Carbon-reinforced fiberglass main spar"

I found no additional information like layup schedules or attach point modifications.

Greg

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So the inspection plate assemblies came with your Pulsar III kit?... I have a Pulsar XP and was wondering if I can/should do something similar... the questions really is how the wings differ on the two pulsars?

There must be structural differences as the III has a higher gross...


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:25 am    Post subject: Pitot (angle of attack - Dynon) Reply with quote

Greg,

Skystar provided some carbon fiber cloth that we then wrapped around the
main gear to increase the load weight of the gear. Since then I've read
a lot that says this may help and it may not. Since it wraps the leg,
it probably increases the strength but when the gear flexes, the bond
between the fiberglass legs and the carbon fiber is likely to break.
We'll see over time.

BK

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In regards to your question of why the Pulsar III has a higher gross
weight, I found this in the Skystar literature.
"Skystar engineers reworked the Pulsar's main wing carry-through spar
to provide tremendous strength. Gross weight has been raised to 1,200
pounds."
Additional information in the same literature. "Carbon-reinforced
fiberglass main spar"
I found no additional information like layup schedules or attach point
modifications.
Greg
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So the inspection plate assemblies came with your Pulsar III
kit?... I have a Pulsar XP and was wondering if I can/should do
something similar... the questions really is how the wings differ
on the two pulsars?

There must be structural differences as the III has a higher gross...


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:31 am    Post subject: Pitot (angle of attack - Dynon) Reply with quote

I uploaded some pics of my Pulsar III AOA and Pitot on this string. Cheers, Larry N852LW. By the way my Pulsar is up for sale. Cheers, Larry
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Greg,

Skystar provided some carbon fiber cloth that we then wrapped around the main gear to increase the load weight of the gear.  Since then I've read a lot that says this may help and it may not.  Since it wraps the leg, it probably increases the strength but when the gear flexes, the bond between the fiberglass legs and the carbon fiber is likely to break.  We'll see over time.

BK

On 8/8/2013 8:38 AM, GREGSMI(at)aol.com (GREGSMI(at)aol.com) wrote:

Quote:
In regards to your question of why the Pulsar III has a higher gross weight, I found this in the Skystar literature.
"Skystar engineers reworked the Pulsar's main wing carry-through spar to provide tremendous strength. Gross weight has been raised to 1,200 pounds."
Additional information in the same literature. "Carbon-reinforced fiberglass main spar"
I found no additional information like layup schedules or attach point modifications.
Greg
In a message dated 8/6/2013 4:28:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, p32gxy(at)gmail.com (p32gxy(at)gmail.com) writes:

    --> Pulsar-List message posted by: "p32gxy" <p32gxy(at)gmail.com (p32gxy(at)gmail.com)>

    So the inspection plate assemblies came with your Pulsar III
    kit?... I have a Pulsar XP and was wondering if I can/should do
    something similar... the questions really is how the wings differ
    on the two pulsars?

    There must be structural differences as the III has a higher gross..




    Read this topic online here:

    http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406087#406087



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