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Alan Carter

Joined: 02 Jul 2012
Posts: 378
Location: Kent, England.

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:48 am Post subject: Refilling a Europa by hand

Hi All.

My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.

I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.

I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time squeezing the trigger to re fill.??

Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is it make your own,??

Regards.

Alan

riddon(at)sent.com
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:22 am Post subject: Refilling a Europa by hand

Hi Alan.



I lift my can onto a non slip pad the wing then use a battery operated fuel pump to transfer it to the tank. Search for battery operated fuel pump on Amazon or Ebay. They are a bit flimsy and not terribly fast but they work OK and you can buy one for about £15. I am on my second one in 8 years. They take a couple of D cells and the batteries last at least a full season with me. 



Richard Iddon.  G-RIXS



On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, Alan Carter <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net> wrote:



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 Hi All.

 My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.

 I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.

 I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time squeezing the trigger to re fill.??

 Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is it make your own,??

 Regards.

 Alan

 

 

 

 

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alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:41 am Post subject: Refilling a Europa by hand

Personally I use 10 litre fuel cans which I can lift to pour into a filter funnel with a micro mesh filter. 



I have also seen a standard fuel pump, as in the Europa electric pump, connect to a small rechargeable lead acid cell. All mounted on a 'Sack Barrow' with a 25 litre can. 



Alan



Sent from my iPhone



On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net> wrote:



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 Hi All.

 My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.

 I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.

 I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time squeezing the trigger to re fill.??

 Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is it make your own,??

 Regards.

 Alan

 

 

 

 

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trevpond(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 11:57 am Post subject: Refilling a Europa by hand

Hi Richard 

I have the same pump, runs on 2 A type batteries - Brilliant!  Used mine for years.

Regards

Trev G:-LINN

Sent from my iPad

On 4 Sep 2013, at 16:21, Richard Iddon <riddon(at)sent.com> wrote:

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 Hi Alan.

 I lift my can onto a non slip pad the wing then use a battery operated fuel pump to transfer it to the tank. Search for battery operated fuel pump on Amazon or Ebay. They are a bit flimsy and not terribly fast but they work OK and you can buy one for about Â£15. I am on my second one in 8 years. They take a couple of D cells and the batteries last at least a full season with me. 

 Richard Iddon.  G-RIXS

 On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, Alan Carter <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net> wrote:

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> Hi All.

> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.

> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.

> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time squeezing the trigger to re fill.??

> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is it make your own,??

> Regards.

> Alan

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> Read this topic online here:

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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005

graeme bird

Joined: 15 Jul 2010
Posts: 434

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 11:59 am Post subject: Re: Refilling a Europa by hand

I brought a hand pump for fuel and mounted it on my hangar wall, its the type with a leaver you waggle. Its quick enough but then I brought a flylight filter and found that a lot of fuel remained in the feed and out 1" pipes. So I use 20 ltr cans and find I can rest them on the side of the filter and they are ok. Its rare that I put in more than 1 or 2. Mine has the middle old position filler.

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john.heykoop(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 12:30 pm Post subject: Refilling a Europa by hand

Hi all

I fitted a car battery and a standard Europa fuel pump on a 'sack barrow', but filling the plane this way takes a lot longer than refueling by simply lifting the jerry can above my shoulders. There is also the hassle of having to load the barrow into the car every time I go flying. So I soon got fed up with this and now do everything the hard way. The exercise probably does me good.

What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a filter funnel upright while refueling from a jerry can (my Europa is an XS). After the damn thing had fallen over a number of times, covering me and the plane with fuel I decided to do without. So far without adverse consequences - I have never found a drop of water in the fuel, and my gascolator filter is always very clean. All the same, I am uneasy about not using a filter funnel, and would be interested to know how other XS owners manage this.

John

Europa XS G-JHKP

On 4 Sep 2013, at 18:39, Alan Burrill <alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk> wrote:

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 Personally I use 10 litre fuel cans which I can lift to pour into a filter funnel with a micro mesh filter. 

 I have also seen a standard fuel pump, as in the Europa electric pump, connect to a small rechargeable lead acid cell. All mounted on a 'Sack Barrow' with a 25 litre can. 

 Alan

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net> wrote:

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> Hi All.

> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.

> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.

> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time squeezing the trigger to re fill.??

> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is it make your own,??

> Regards.

> Alan

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kheindl(at)msn.com
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:07 pm Post subject: Refilling a Europa by hand

I used to use one of those cheap electric pumps, with a 25l can on the wing. But the pump eventually fell apart. They are only meant for pumping water, maybe heating oil also. I was also concerned about the motor being surrounded by fumes.Much easier, quicker and safer is to have 2 or 3 of the same 25l plastic fuel cans, but have them only half full. Then they are easy to lift up and pour. The filter fits right into the cobra neck. I can't remember where I bought it.

Cheers,  Karl

[quote] Hi all

 I fitted a car battery and a standard Europa fuel pump on a 'sack barrow', but filling the plane this way takes a lot longer than refueling by simply lifting the jerry can above my shoulders. There is also the hassle of having to load the barrow into the car every time I go flying. So I soon got fed up with this and now do everything the hard way. The exercise probably does me good.

 What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a filter funnel upright while refueling from a jerry can (my Europa is an XS). After the damn thing had fallen over a number of times, covering me and the plane with fuel I decided to do without. So far without adverse consequences - I have never found a drop of water in the fuel, and my gascolator filter is always very clean. All the same, I am uneasy about not using a filter funnel, and would be interested to know how other XS owners manage this.

 John

 Europa XS G-JHKP

 On 4 Sep 2013, at 18:39, Alan Burrill <alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk> wrote:

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 > I have also seen a standard fuel pump, as in the Europa electric pump, connect to a small rechargeable lead acid cell. All mounted on a 'Sack Barrow' with a 25 litre can. 

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 > Alan

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 > On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net> wrote:

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 >> Hi All.

 >> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.

 >> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.

 >> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time squeezing the trigger to re fill.??

 >> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is it make your own,??

 >> Regards.

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davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:08 pm Post subject: Refilling a Europa by hand

John, I have a simple funnel with the spout cut off so it 

is about 6 or 7cm long and with a string attached to the 

brim. This attaches by a half hitch to the door strut and 

the whole thing is nicely stable. A paint filter inside 

the funnel completes the set up when I am using a jerry 

can. I don't bother with the funnel when I am filling from 

an airport pump. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ

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  John Heykoop <john.heykoop(at)gmail.com> wrote:

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 Hi all

 

 I fitted a car battery and a standard Europa fuel pump 

on a 'sack barrow', but filling the plane this way takes 

a lot longer than refueling by simply lifting the jerry 

can above my shoulders. There is also the hassle of 

having to load the barrow into the car every time I go 

flying. So I soon got fed up with this and now do 

everything the hard way. The exercise probably does me 

good.

 

 What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a 

filter funnel upright while refueling from a jerry can 

(my Europa is an XS). After the damn thing had fallen 

over a number of times, covering me and the plane with 

fuel I decided to do without. So far without adverse 

consequences - I have never found a drop of water in the 

fuel, and my gascolator filter is always very clean. All 

the same, I am uneasy about not using a filter funnel, 

and would be interested to know how other XS owners 

manage this.

 

 John

 Europa XS G-JHKP

 

 On 4 Sep 2013, at 18:39, Alan Burrill 

<alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk> wrote:

 

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> Personally I use 10 litre fuel cans which I can lift to 

>pour into a filter funnel with a micro mesh filter. 

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> I have also seen a standard fuel pump, as in the Europa 

>electric pump, connect to a small rechargeable lead acid 

>cell. All mounted on a 'Sack Barrow' with a 25 litre can. 

> 

> Alan

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> Sent from my iPhone

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> On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, "Alan Carter" 

><alancarteresq(at)onetel.net> wrote:

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>> Hi All.

>> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.

>> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this 

>>weight of fuel to above my shoulders to fill the plan is 

>>hard work.

>> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume 

>>this take a lot of time squeezing the trigger to re 

>>fill.??

>> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump 

>>that can be plugged into the aircrafts AUX power socket, 

>>I have not seen any on the market, so is it make your 

>>own,??

>> Regards.

>> Alan

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robert.hitchcock(at)virgi
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:34 pm Post subject: Refilling a Europa by hand

Hi All

I have used the same Polarn pump for the last four years. No battery needed and allows precise control directly from the jerry can that I place on a stool. Can't remember where I purchased from. This link has a good picture. 

http://www.absoluteflying.co.uk/Jerry_Can_Fuel_Pump/cat933351_842633.aspx





Your hand is left free to guide the filler tube into the filter.

Easy and safe.





Regards

Bob



On 4 Sep 2013, at 21:27, John Heykoop <john.heykoop(at)gmail.com (john.heykoop(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]--> Europa-List message posted by: John Heykoop <john.heykoop(at)gmail.com (john.heykoop(at)gmail.com)>



Hi all



I fitted a car battery and a standard Europa fuel pump on a 'sack barrow', but filling the plane this way takes a lot longer than refueling by simply lifting the jerry can above my shoulders. There is also the hassle of having to load the barrow into the car every time I go flying. So I soon got fed up with this and now do everything the hard way. The exercise probably does me good.



What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a filter funnel upright while refueling from a jerry can (my Europa is an XS). After the damn thing had fallen over a number of times, covering me and the plane with fuel I decided to do without. So far without adverse consequences - I have never found a drop of water in the fuel, and my gascolator filter is always very clean. All the same, I am uneasy about not using a filter funnel, and would be interested to know how other XS owners manage this.



John

Europa XS G-JHKP



On 4 Sep 2013, at 18:39, Alan Burrill <alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk (alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk)> wrote:



[quote]--> Europa-List message posted by: Alan Burrill <alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk (alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk)>



Personally I use 10 litre fuel cans which I can lift to pour into a filter funnel with a micro mesh filter. 



I have also seen a standard fuel pump, as in the Europa electric pump, connect to a small rechargeable lead acid cell. All mounted on a 'Sack Barrow' with a 25 litre can. 



Alan



Sent from my iPhone



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churchy

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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:19 pm Post subject: Refilling a Europa by hand

I can second Bob's pump choice - available from Demon Tweeks online - I use it to fuel my gyro with a high tank inlet (pending actually building my XS mono), the pump is designed for rally car fuelling in the field and can pump with the jerry can at ground level or syphon if the can is close to the same level as the tank inlet.

Regards

Richard CC



On 4 Sep 2013, at 22:33, Bob Hitchcock <robert.hitchcock(at)virgin.net (robert.hitchcock(at)virgin.net)> wrote:

[quote]Hi All

I have used the same Polarn pump for the last four years. No battery needed and allows precise control directly from the jerry can that I place on a stool. Can't remember where I purchased from. This link has a good picture. 

http://www.absoluteflying.co.uk/Jerry_Can_Fuel_Pump/cat933351_842633.aspx





Your hand is left free to guide the filler tube into the filter.

Easy and safe.





Regards

Bob

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Kelvin_G-BZAM

Joined: 03 Jan 2013
Posts: 10

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 11:35 pm Post subject: Refilling a Europa by hand

I am set up similar to David, I have the smallest 'Mr Funnel' and use a small length of para cord to tie to passenger lift strut.... Very secure. At the hangar I have a 'waggle side to side handled pump', but on trips just carry a plastic Jerry and my funnel and do the filling with good old fashioned brute force.... Hmmm, as I'm not getting any younger, perhaps one of those battery pump thingies might be worth a look 



Sent from my iPad



On 4 Sep 2013, at 22:05, David Joyce <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk> wrote:



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 John, I have a simple funnel with the spout cut off so it is about 6 or 7cm long and with a string attached to the brim. This attaches by a half hitch to the door strut and the whole thing is nicely stable. A paint filter inside the funnel completes the set up when I am using a jerry can. I don't bother with the funnel when I am filling from an airport pump. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ

 

 

 On Wed, 4 Sep 2013 21:27:54 +0100

 John Heykoop <john.heykoop(at)gmail.com> wrote:

> 

> Hi all

> I fitted a car battery and a standard Europa fuel pump on a 'sack barrow', but filling the plane this way takes a lot longer than refueling by simply lifting the jerry can above my shoulders. There is also the hassle of having to load the barrow into the car every time I go flying. So I soon got fed up with this and now do everything the hard way. The exercise probably does me good.

> What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a filter funnel upright while refueling from a jerry can (my Europa is an XS). After the damn thing had fallen over a number of times, covering me and the plane with fuel I decided to do without. So far without adverse consequences - I have never found a drop of water in the fuel, and my gascolator filter is always very clean. All the same, I am uneasy about not using a filter funnel, and would be interested to know how other XS owners manage this.

> John

> Europa XS G-JHKP

> On 4 Sep 2013, at 18:39, Alan Burrill <alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk> wrote:

>> 

>> Personally I use 10 litre fuel cans which I can lift to pour into a filter funnel with a micro mesh filter. I have also seen a standard fuel pump, as in the Europa electric pump, connect to a small rechargeable lead acid cell. All mounted on a 'Sack Barrow' with a 25 litre can. Alan

>> Sent from my iPhone

>> On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net> wrote:

>>> 

>>> Hi All.

>>> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.

>>> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.

>>> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time squeezing the trigger to re fill.??

>>> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is it make your own,??

>>> Regards.

>>> Alan

>>> Read this topic online here:

>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005

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roddyeuropa(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:41 am Post subject: Refilling a Europa by hand

I have used a polarn oump for a number of years. The pump attaches to the top of a jerry can and you use a hand air pump to pressurize the jerry can. Integral tube goes through jerry can fitting from base of can to europa filler. Takes quite a lot of pumping to get the fuel transferred - probably 1 - 2 mins per 20l can.See here:  http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/fuel-containers-funnels/demon-tweeks-polarn-pump

 Needs an extension to reach the filler from jerry can on the ground. 

  Roddy Kesterton

  G-IKRK

  

 

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brian.davies(at)clara.co.
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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:56 am Post subject: Refilling a Europa by hand

". I don't bother with the funnel when I am filling from an 

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		   airport pump."

 
	


David, you might be interested in the following news item;-

 

Contaminated fuel caused Cathay A330 incident

By:   MAVIS TOH SINGAPORE

3 hours ago [url=javascript:window.print()]Print[/url]

Fuel contamination has been confirmed as the cause of a double engine malfunction on a Cathay Pacific Airbus A330-300 on approach to Hong Kong International airport (HKIA) in 2010.

In a final report released on 4 September, Hong Kong's Civil Aviation Department (CAD) says that 24.4t of contaminated fuel was uplifed into the aircraft at Surabaya's Juanda International airport. This caused "stiction" - static friction - in the fuel metering unit of both engines, leading to the total seizure of these components and the loss of thrust controls of the aircraft during approach to HKIA.

It found that though the aircraft was uplifed with the proper grade of fuel, it was contaminated with super absorbent polymer (SAP) spheres. During the flight, some SAP spheres were trapped in the fuel metering unit on both engines, causing stiction in the unit that resulted in engine pressure ratio fluctuations.

 

 

Moral- don't trust airport fuel pumps.  I still use my Mr Funnel even when I uplift from aviation pumps.

 

Regards

 

Brian

 

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of roddyeuropa(at)aol.com

Sent: 05 September 2013 09:39

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Refilling a Europa by hand

 

I have used a polarn oump for a number of years. The pump attaches to the top of a jerry can and you use a hand air pump to pressurize the jerry can. Integral tube goes through jerry can fitting from base of can to europa filler. Takes quite a lot of pumping to get the fuel transferred - probably 1 - 2 mins per 20l can.See here:  

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/fuel-containers-funnels/demon-tweeks-polarn-pump

Needs an extension to reach the filler from jerry can on the ground. 



Roddy Kesterton



G-IKRK



 



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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:25 am Post subject: Refilling a Europa by hand

Brian

I had a similar thought but had no evidence. 

Graham



        From: Brian Davies <brian.davies(at)clara.co.uk>

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com 

 Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2013, 9:55

 Subject: RE: Refilling a Europa by hand

  

 

". I don't bother with the funnel when I am filling from an 

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		   airport pump."

  
	


David, you might be interested in the following news item;-

  

Contaminated fuel caused Cathay A330 incident

By:   MAVIS TOH SINGAPORE

3 hours ago 

[url=]Print[/url]Fuel contamination has been confirmed as the cause of a double engine malfunction on a Cathay Pacific Airbus A330-300 on approach to Hong Kong International airport (HKIA) in 2010.

In a final report released on 4 September, Hong Kong's Civil Aviation Department (CAD) says that 24.4t of contaminated fuel was uplifed into the aircraft at Surabaya's Juanda International airport. This caused "stiction" - static friction - in the fuel metering unit of both engines, leading to the total seizure of these components and the loss of thrust controls of the aircraft during approach to HKIA.

It found that though  the aircraft was uplifed with the proper grade of fuel, it was contaminated with super absorbent polymer (SAP) spheres. During the flight, some SAP spheres were trapped in the fuel metering unit on both engines, causing stiction in the unit that resulted in engine pressure ratio fluctuations.

  

  

Moral- don't trust airport fuel pumps.  I still use my Mr Funnel even when I uplift from aviation pumps.

  

Regards

  

Brian

  

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of roddyeuropa(at)aol.com

Sent: 05 September 2013 09:39

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Refilling a Europa by hand

  

I have used a polarn oump for a number of years. The pump attaches to the top of a jerry can and you use a hand air pump to pressurize the jerry can. Integral tube goes through jerry can fitting from base of can to europa filler. Takes quite a lot of pumping to get the fuel transferred - probably 1 - 2 mins per 20l can.See here:  

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/fuel-containers-funnels/demon-tweeks-polarn-pump

Needs an extension to reach the filler from jerry can on the ground. 



Roddy Kesterton



G-IKRK



  



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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:12 am Post subject: Refilling a Europa by hand

Brian, I should perhaps have added 'This side of 

Budapest'! There the Avgas supplied at the otherwise 

fantastic GA airfield of Buduors, came out a horrible 

yellow colour and you could imagine lumps in it too. But 

the policy has worked well for 12 years.

Regards, David



On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 09:55:50 +0100

  "Brian Davies" <brian.davies(at)clara.co.uk> wrote:

[quote] ". I don't bother with the funnel when I am filling from 

an 

 

> airport pump."

 

 

 

 David, you might be interested in the following news 

item;-

 

 

 

 Contaminated fuel caused Cathay A330 incident

 

 By: 

  <http://www.flightglobal.com/landingpage/mavis%20toh.html> 

 MAVIS TOH

 SINGAPORE

 

 3 hours ago 

 

 *	Print <javascript:window.print()> 

 

Fuel contamination has been confirmed as the cause of a 

double engine

 malfunction on a Cathay Pacific Airbus A330-300 on 

approach to Hong Kong

 International airport (HKIA) in 2010.

 

 In a final report released on 4 September, Hong Kong's 

Civil Aviation

 Department (CAD) says that 24.4t of contaminated fuel 

was uplifed into the

 aircraft at Surabaya's Juanda International airport. 

This caused "stiction"

 - static friction - in the fuel metering unit of both 

engines, leading to

 the total seizure of these components and the loss of 

thrust controls of the

 aircraft during approach to HKIA.

 

 It found that though the aircraft was uplifed with the 

proper grade of fuel,

 it was contaminated with super absorbent polymer (SAP) 

spheres. During the

 flight, some SAP spheres were trapped in the fuel 

metering unit on both

 engines, causing stiction in the unit that resulted in 

engine pressure ratio

 fluctuations.

 

 

 

 

 

 Moral- don't trust airport fuel pumps.  I still use my 

Mr Funnel even when I

 uplift from aviation pumps.

 

 

 

 Regards

 

 

 

 Brian

 

 

 

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com

 [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On 

Behalf Of

 roddyeuropa(at)aol.com

 Sent: 05 September 2013 09:39

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Refilling a Europa by hand

 

 

 

 I have used a polarn oump for a number of years. The 

pump attaches to the

 top of a jerry can and you use a hand air pump to 

pressurize the jerry can.

 Integral tube goes through jerry can fitting from base 

of can to europa

 filler. Takes quite a lot of pumping to get the fuel 

transferred - probably

 1 - 2 mins per 20l can.See here:  

 

 http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/fuel-containers-funnels/demon-tweek

 s-polarn-pump

 Needs an extension to reach the filler from jerry can on 

the ground. 

 

 Roddy Kesterton

 

 G-IKRK

 

 

 

 --

john.heykoop(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:30 am Post subject: Refilling a Europa by hand

Kelvin, David

Thanks for the advice about keeping 'Mr Funnel' from falling over when refilling a Europa XS from a jerry can. Now why didn't I figure out something like that myself ....

John



On 5 Sep 2013, at 08:34, Kelvin Cobb <kelvin.cobb(at)icloud.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 I am set up similar to David, I have the smallest 'Mr Funnel' and use a small length of para cord to tie to passenger lift strut.... Very secure. At the hangar I have a 'waggle side to side handled pump', but on trips just carry a plastic Jerry and my funnel and do the filling with good old fashioned brute force.... Hmmm, as I'm not getting any younger, perhaps one of those battery pump thingies might be worth a look 

 

 Sent from my iPad

 

 On 4 Sep 2013, at 22:05, David Joyce <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk> wrote:

 

> 

> 

> John, I have a simple funnel with the spout cut off so it is about 6 or 7cm long and with a string attached to the brim. This attaches by a half hitch to the door strut and the whole thing is nicely stable. A paint filter inside the funnel completes the set up when I am using a jerry can. I don't bother with the funnel when I am filling from an airport pump. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ

> 

> 

> On Wed, 4 Sep 2013 21:27:54 +0100

> John Heykoop <john.heykoop(at)gmail.com> wrote:

>> 

>> Hi all

>> I fitted a car battery and a standard Europa fuel pump on a 'sack barrow', but filling the plane this way takes a lot longer than refueling by simply lifting the jerry can above my shoulders. There is also the hassle of having to load the barrow into the car every time I go flying. So I soon got fed up with this and now do everything the hard way. The exercise probably does me good.

>> What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a filter funnel upright while refueling from a jerry can (my Europa is an XS). After the damn thing had fallen over a number of times, covering me and the plane with fuel I decided to do without. So far without adverse consequences - I have never found a drop of water in the fuel, and my gascolator filter is always very clean. All the same, I am uneasy about not using a filter funnel, and would be interested to know how other XS owners manage this.

>> John

>> Europa XS G-JHKP

>> On 4 Sep 2013, at 18:39, Alan Burrill <alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk> wrote:

>>> 

>>> Personally I use 10 litre fuel cans which I can lift to pour into a filter funnel with a micro mesh filter. I have also seen a standard fuel pump, as in the Europa electric pump, connect to a small rechargeable lead acid cell. All mounted on a 'Sack Barrow' with a 25 litre can. Alan

>>> Sent from my iPhone

>>> On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net> wrote:

>>>> 

>>>> Hi All.

>>>> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.

>>>> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.

>>>> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time squeezing the trigger to re fill.??

>>>> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is it make your own,??

>>>> Regards.

>>>> Alan

>>>> Read this topic online here:

>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005

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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:43 am Post subject: Refilling a Europa by hand

 	  Quote: 	
		  >What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a filter funnel upright while refueling from a jerry can (my Europa is an XS).<<


	


Mine's an XS also.

Large Oblong shape funnel with a spout that has been cut so it's about 3 in long. Hooks into the filler and stays in place. Not upright admitted.

Can has a spout fixed to it. Pour fuel from can without resting on funnel and don't overdo it, aim direct for funnel filter and try not to overfill funnel use a constant flow of fuel.

Alan

On 4 Sep 2013, at 21:27, John Heykoop <john.heykoop(at)gmail.com (john.heykoop(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a filter funnel upright while refueling from a jerry can (my Europa is an XS).[b]

Alan Carter

Joined: 02 Jul 2012
Posts: 378
Location: Kent, England.

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: Refilling a Europa by hand

Hi all.

Many thanks for replies, Lots to choose from.

Personally I am not keen on jerry cans, maybe safer in transporting, but I like plastic possibly cleaner inside. however I have seen many use jerry cans without problems.

I always use a filter,  I have a plastic one that fits quit tightly into the filler hole, What I do notice in the filter after refilling is insects ie a small flies.

I suppose one of  these could block the jets, ???

So recommend using a filter,

They was a post saying filter as you refill you cann at the pumps, sounded a good idea to me, till I remembered the flies.

Regards.

Alan

davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:01 pm Post subject: Refilling a Europa by hand

Alan, As a point of interest one of he (rarely) fatal 

ditchings in the UK  was said by the AAIB to be due to a 

fly blocking he carburettor jet! Regards, David Joyce, 

GXDJ

On Mon,  9 Sep 2013 13:34:42 -0700

  "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

<alancarteresq(at)onetel.net>

 

 Hi all.

 Many thanks for replies, Lots to choose from.

 Personally I am not keen on jerry cans, maybe safer in 

transporting, but I like plastic possibly cleaner inside. 

however I have seen many use jerry cans without problems.

 I always use a filter,  I have a plastic one that fits 

quit tightly into the filler hole, What I do notice in 

the filter after refilling is insects ie a small flies.

 I suppose one of  these could block the jets, ???

 So recommend using a filter,

 They was a post saying filter as you refill you cann at 

the pumps, sounded a good idea to me, till I remembered 

the flies.

 Regards.

 Alan

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408302#408302

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Alan Carter

Joined: 02 Jul 2012
Posts: 378
Location: Kent, England.

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: Refilling a Europa by hand

Well just goes to show, The carburettor jet life or death.

I don't know why she swallowed the fly, perhaps she'll die.

Regards,

Alan

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