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kenbrooks(at)charter.net
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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:54 pm Post subject: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"

A knowledgable pilot friend of mine sent me this regarding ramp checks that I found very interesting and thought I would pass it along.  If there are any inaccuracies in it, those of you who are on the list that are affiliated with the FAA, possibly as a DAR, etc., are welcome to comment.  I don't claim to have a corner on the knowledge market.  FWIW.

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mrobert569(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:20 am Post subject: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"

Ken,



 



The article that you attached is correct but there is something left out that needs to be addressed.  The basis for the FARs is a federal law called Title 49.  This is the federal law that dictates to the FAA to make and maitain a set of federal regulations.  Within that law are several chapters stating all kinds of laws for air transportation.  One of those chapters is Chapter 447-Safety Regulations.  One of the sub-chapters/sections is section 44709.  This section states that the FAA may reinspect at any time a civil aircraft, aircraft engine, propeller, applicance, air navigation facility, air agency (repair station) , or reexamine an airman holding a certificate.  This is stated in paragraph (a).  Paragraph (b) goes into what the FAA can do if anything is found wrong.  In paragraph (c) and further it goes into notification to the owner/pilot of what action, if any, is proposed and about appeals.  Generally speaking, in order to invoke this part of the law, an FAA inspector will issue the reexam via a letter but there is nothing that states that he must.  So in a certain way the FAA can ask to see the airworthiness certificate and registration along with the airmen's pilot certificate, medical, and ASK when you had you last BFR.



 



Here is where this gets interesting.  Your aircraft is private property.  The FAA may not enter your personal aircraft without permission.  BUT, like any person interested he may look all he wants as long as he does not touch or enter.  This includes sticking his head into the door or a window if it is open provided he does not touch anything.  If he then sees something suspesous to give probable cause he may invoke the above 44709.  



 



This does not mean he can nealy willy invoke section 44709 as he MUST have probable cause and be prepared to give the reason for the search in writing

kenbrooks(at)charter.net
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:29 am Post subject: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"

Sorry about that.  I don't use the list much any more and forgot that attachments don't get added to posts.  If you'd like the .pdf file I described about private pilot ramp checks, just send me an e-mail and I'll send it to you directly.  - Ken

vanremog(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:21 pm Post subject: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"

I have a hard time believing that this letter was written by a federal employee, what with all of the misspellings.  Sorry, Mike, couldn't resist, and please don't ramp check me, I'm just having a little fun with you.



-GV

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lyleap(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:39 pm Post subject: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"

Spelling skill is not a prerequisite for federal employment.  

     

     

     On 9/9/2013 7:20 PM, vanremog(at)aol.com (vanremog(at)aol.com)       wrote:

     

     [quote]         I have a hard             time believing that this letter was written by a federal             employee, what with all of the misspellings.  Sorry, Mike,             couldn't resist, and please don't ramp check me, I'm just             having a little fun with you.

          

         -GV

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mrobert569(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:02 pm Post subject: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"

I like to think of it as fat fingers. 



Mike



Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 19:38:55 -0500

From: lyleap(at)comcast.net

To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"



                   Spelling skill is not a prerequisite for federal employment.  

     

     

     On 9/9/2013 7:20 PM, vanremog(at)aol.com (vanremog(at)aol.com)       wrote:

     

     [quote]         I have a hard             time believing that this letter was written by a federal             employee, what with all of the misspellings.  Sorry, Mike,             couldn't resist, and please don't ramp check me, I'm just             having a little fun with you.

          

         -GV

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mrobert569(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:05 pm Post subject: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"

That's why I have spell check.  Although it did not come on for this letter.  Or I forgot to turn it on.



Mike 



To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"

From: vanremog(at)aol.com

Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 20:20:55 -0400




I have a hard time believing that this letter was written by a federal employee, what with all of the misspellings.  Sorry, Mike, couldn't resist, and please don't ramp check me, I'm just having a little fun with you.


 


-GV






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denis.walsh(at)comcast.ne
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Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:48 am Post subject: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"

All right, Mike,



Your contributions to this list have always been invaluable.  Do not change a thing.  Take these egotistical attempts at  humor for what they are worth.

As for my emotional input: I would rather you continue with these timely, informative postings and don't worry about spell checkers.  Consider this:  if you can discern a spelling or syntax error, you have almost certainly gleaned the intended meaning in the process.

Denis Walsh, former English Major. (and Air Force Major)

When I see "Das Fed", I read every word.  And heed.

On 9Sep, 2013, at 9:05 , Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com (mrobert569(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]That's why I have spell check.  Although it did not come on for this letter.  Or I forgot to turn it on.



Mike 



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mrobert569(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:22 am Post subject: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"

Dennis,



 



Thanks, but I still can't spell "suspicious" without a dictionary.



 



ðŸ˜ŽMike

 



From: denis.walsh(at)comcast.net

Subject: Re: RV-List: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:48:20 -0600

To: rv-list(at)matronics.com



All right, Mike, 

Your contributions to this list have always been invaluable.  Do not change a thing.  Take these egotistical attempts at  humor for what they are worth.

As for my emotional input: I would rather you continue with these timely, informative postings and don't worry about spell checkers.  Consider this:  if you can discern a spelling or syntax error, you have almost certainly gleaned the intended meaning in the process.

Denis Walsh, former English Major. (and Air Force Major)

When I see "Das Fed", I read every word.  And heed.

On 9Sep, 2013, at 9:05 , Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

That's why I have spell check.  Although it did not come on for this letter.  Or I forgot to turn it on.



Mike

ollie6a(at)embarqmail.com
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Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:03 pm Post subject: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"

AMEN 



ollie



On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com (mrobert569(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

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		     Dennis,

  

 Thanks, but I still can't spell "suspicious" without a dictionary.

  

 Mike

 

   From: denis.walsh(at)comcast.net (denis.walsh(at)comcast.net)

Subject: Re: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:48:20 -0600

To: rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com) 



All right, Mike,  



 Your contributions to this list have always been invaluable.  Do not change a thing.  Take these egotistical attempts at  humor for what they are worth.

 



 As for my emotional input: I would rather you continue with these timely, informative postings and don't worry about spell checkers.  Consider this:  if you can discern a spelling or syntax error, you have almost certainly gleaned the intended meaning in the process.

  



 Denis Walsh, former English Major. (and Air Force Major)

 



 When I see "Das Fed", I read every word.  And heed.

  On 9Sep, 2013, at 9:05 , Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com (mrobert569(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:



  	  Quote: 	
		    That's why I have spell check.  Although it did not come on for this letter.  Or I forgot to turn it on.



Mike 







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