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msherman95632(at)yahoo.co
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 Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:58 pm Post subject: Slips |
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I had a 1964 C-150 that was approved for slips with
full flaps. It dropped like a rock. Then I bought a
1961 C-175 it was not approved for slips with full
flaps only half flaps. When I asked around to various
CFI's they didn't know. At a back-country check out
in Montana I ask the instructor the same question, he
said that certain aircraft loose rudder and elevator
authority because to much air is deflected from them.
With a possibility of loss of control.
So I never side slipped the C-175 with full flaps but
did a lot of times with partial flaps. That's my
preferred cross wind landing technique
Mark S.
701/912S
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Tim Juhl
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Slips |
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I've been a CFII for 21 of my 31 years of flying - I've slipped many different aicraft without incident, including a Cessna 172 with full flaps. I've been told to avoid slips in a 4-place Cessna with full flaps when the rear seats are occupied but I've never had any problems. I own an Aeronca Champ and fly it into my 1200 foot strip over obstacles so slips are a part of every landing.
My suggestion to anyone new to slips is to practice at altitude, especially in an aircraft whose flight characteristics are unknown to you.
Slips should be performed at normal approach speeds (approx. 1.3 times stall speed.) Slips attempted when an aircraft is at the ragged edge of a stall may lead to a spin entry.
I would suspect that Zenith aircraft, in particular the slab-sided 701 & 801 would slip very nicely. Slips are a great way to lose altitude in a hurry and I like the fact that the moment you remove the slip you're back flying normally. You do need to warn your passengers, however.
Tim Juhl
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321PT
Joined: 23 May 2006
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Location: Texas
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:37 am Post subject: Slips |
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I hate to get into this, because there are many more people out there with much more experience than I have. From my limited (100 hours) experience. Slips work very well in the 701. I have not needed slips and full flaps or any flaps for that matter. If you are that high, go around. The flaps are very effective, but your closing speed to the ground will make you pucker. Your flare and/or the application of power becomes critical. The reducing power works well too, if you remember to keep your speed up. The prop acts as a big air brake and (the key statement) you have no inertia. The best statement I have read about the 701, is if you pull power on landing, be prepared to land and park at the same time. The lack of inertia and powerful engine also means the throttle gets almost instant results. The good part is you get instant results... the bad part is you get instant results. Over control can be a problem. It is very easy to fly the approach speed with a constant throttle to the runway. Slips work very well to alter your glide slope and you never have to bother your throttle or speed. It does not fly like a Cessna, Piper, Beech or anything else I have ever flown. It does not float. The caveat with all this info is I fly a 701 with the 912 ULS. It is a great combination. I cannot attest to any other combination. I differ to anyone with more experience. I learn something different every time I go up. Every landing is different. There are an infinite amount of combinations you can try. Some will work better than others with this plane. All I can say to the people that are not flying yet... it is worth it.
321PT
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